[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Does having a Hobbie make one 'Childish'? Just because you yourself cannot understand or see the draw to Video Games does not make it 'Childish'.
Obsessing over anything is childish, in many respects....

I do understand the draw. I would love to have some of the car racing and moto GP games. I have a killer computer network at home (fiber everywhere, Velocity PCs, Corsair memory, water cooled, VelociRaptor RAID drives). I have friends who have them. I will not ever get one, by choice.

Obsessing over a mere game, letting it consume your life, taking it to the point where you get all upset if any makes a comment that does not agree with how you feel is very childish. As soon as gamer gets all 'emo', they are done for. That only means 'all caught up'.

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

One, I am older than you think. Two, he never 'became the part' in real life. He died from cardiac arrest, after facing problems from being thrown off of a horse.

Quick fix man, he was speaking of the original actor who played Superman on the TV show pre-dating the movies, not Christopher Reeves.

[Apollyon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Age alone does not a child make.

Obsessive game play is childish.

Really now, obsession in video games would lead to death. Playing games for longer than 4 hours a day, though? No problem.

I do understand the draw. I would love to have some of the car racing and moto GP games. I have a killer computer network at home (fiber everywhere, Velocity PCs, Corsair memory, water cooled, VelociRaptor RAID drives). I have friends who have them. I will not ever get one, by choice.

Obsessing over a mere game, letting it consume your life, taking it to the point where you get all upset if any makes a comment that does not agree with how you feel is very childish. As soon as gamer gets all 'emo', they are done for. That only means 'all caught up'.

You can be obsessed with a game and not be worried about what others say about it. If a gamer goes 'emo', they are not done for, but simply choosing a different lifestyle than yours. I know people like that, that are socially inept, but they aren't bad people; only that others make them out to be, like you.

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Obsessing over a mere game, letting it consume your life, taking it to the point where you get all upset if any makes a comment that does not agree with how you feel is very childish. As soon as gamer gets all 'emo', they are done for. That only means 'all caught up'.

I was digging and aggreeing with what you were saying up until the word 'taking' and on. I am not defending the game due to some 'Obsession' of the game. I am a man who hates misinformation, and the original post by the Reverend was full of it. I have sent him an Email in hopes of fixing some of the things he got wrong in the OP, and would like to point out that he was not false on all the claims.
However, I despise villainizing without knowing, and Video Games have become the largest such target by those 'not in the know'.

[Nobar King]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I'd just like to point out that I googled cyanideJ and this is what I found:
http:/x/www.drinkfromthefurrycup.com/stories/075.shtml
(De-linked for your safety).

You shouldn't be pushing dangerous drugs on a Christian forum.

Edit:
mR. Apollo:
I also noticed that Chris Hansen is the person you're masquarading as in your avatar. Do you think that is funny? He's well known for sussing out pedophiles, the kind who never grew up and play video games in mom's basement.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I'll call you in 50 years and tell you I'm doing fine. How about that? I could say an obsession in Christ is an issue too (Zealotry), but you wouldn't like that, would you?

I'll be dead or a turnip in 50 years

True, crazies will not think so, but you are missing the point like many others here.

No, I am not, your statement is exactly my point.

Really? I have quite a nice social life, whether it be outside or inside, or on the internet. I've got friends from around the world, and friends locally as well. I believe in them, and they believe in me, and I know that my life is as great as I want it to be.

You may have seen a lot, but I've learned a lot, experienced a lot, lived a lot, and taught a lot. Please, don't think you're any better because you have a different view on how life should be lived.

I too have learned and seen a lot. Double Masters From Princeton. Raced motorcycles and Cars (ran a 24 hours of Daytona once). Stockbroker for many years on the AMEX. Raced sailboats. Build furniture and other things. Oh yeah, pretty into computing and programming, C, C#, C++, Oracle DBA and more. I have barely scratched the surface of what life has to offer. No way I could of done half of that playing games. And I think I am a bit lazy!

Really, now. It's hard not to mimic a first person shooter when they involve guns. Of course they'll be INDIRECTLY related, but not directly related. You don't see someone dressing up as Master Chief (from the Halo series, if you didn't know) and running over to a mall to shoot everyone. And by the by, shooting games don't train you how to use guns.

Any idiot can (and most are/do) can shot a gun. And yes, there are mall shootings from time to time . I recall one in the last year that was a mimic of Halo, if memory serves.

One, I am older than you think. Two, he never 'became the part' in real life. He died from cardiac arrest, after facing problems from being thrown off of a horse.

I won't tell you Jesus is wrong. I will tell you you are wrong, however. And Jesus never 'sat' for portraits; they are just images of what the artist believes him to look like. And mind you, I am full of wit, unlike you, it seems.

You just lost it here pal.... did the game fry a few brain cells? Did you just make my point (busting your chops)

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I'd just like to point out that I googled cyanideJ and this is what I found:
http:/x/www.drinkfromthefurrycup.com/stories/075.shtml
(De-linked for your safety).

You shouldn't be pushing dangerous drugs on a Christian forum.

Edit:
I also noticed that Chris Hansen is the person you're masquarading as in your avatar. Do you think that is funny? He's well known for sussing out pedophiles, the kind who never grew up and play video games in mom's basement.

I in no way am 'Pushing Dangerous Drugs'. They are many different types of Cyanide, and I happen to work around one in the mines. And my nickname is Jay. Also, I jusy like the ring of the word 'Cyanide'.
And please, can we refrain from personal attacks? I understand you may not enjoy Video Games, but dont lower yourself to the lowest common denominator.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

This Apollyon fellow seems reasonably intelligent compared to some of the other illiterate gamers that come here, but I wonder why he is defending such an awful game?

Here are some facts that these game-defenders seem to skirt around...

• FACT: Fallout 3 and other games depict graphic violence.
• FACT: Fallout 3 and other games feature sex and foul language.
• FACT: Fallout 3 and other games provide the option to commit evil, heinous acts. Yes it is an option, but it is available to the player. The point is not whether you can choose to be good or evil, the plain fact is you can be evil in Fallout 3 and other games!
• FACT: Some kids, not all (So don't give me that "Well it never made me kill anyone!") can be driven to real-world violence by video games. It's not the only factor that causes kids to kill, but it is a major one.
• FACT: Games like these allow kids to live out school shooting / mass murder fantasies.
• FACT: Games like this, the more realistic they get with graphics and processing power, further blur the line between reality and fantasy.
• FACT: You cannot be a Christian and play these games because Paul warns us throughout the Bible several times to keep ourselves seperate from wicked influences!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Really now, obsession in video games would lead to death. Playing games for longer than 4 hours a day, though? No problem.

Talk about twisting words! No futher response is justified.

You can be obsessed with a game and not be worried about what others say about it. If a gamer goes 'emo', they are not done for, but simply choosing a different lifestyle than yours. I know people like that, that are socially inept, but they aren't bad people; only that others make them out to be, like you.

You mis-understood (as I was afraid it might happen). I meant a gamer, getting so caught up being a gamer that it is all consuming, that it is just a game and not a lifestyle.
Your tone is slowly changing to be a bit of an attack (highlighted), I am doing my best to behave, you should do likewise unless there is a reason.

[Apollyon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Quick fix man, he was speaking of the original actor who played Superman on the TV show pre-dating the movies, not Christopher Reeves.

Ah, right, the apparent suicide of him. There's a lot of controversy saying that he didn't commit suicide, so I can't be sure.

I'd just like to point out that I googled cyanideJ and this is what I found:
http:/x/www.drinkfromthefurrycup.com/stories/075.shtml
(De-linked for your safety).

You shouldn't be pushing dangerous drugs on a Christian forum.

He's pushing drugs around? Or is that what you want people to believe? I like how you googled cyanideJ and not CyanideJay, which gives rather different results. Note that CyanideJay is not even on the site in question, but merely the chemical cyanide.

No, I am not, your statement is exactly my point.

Yeah, so you agree that crazies are the ones who can't tell the difference between life and video games, and not normal people such as you and I?

I too have learned and seen a lot. Double Masters From Princeton. Raced motorcycles and Cars (ran a 24 hours of Daytona once). Stockbroker for many years on the AMEX. Raced sailboats. Build furniture and other things. Oh yeah, pretty into computing and programming, C, C#, C++, Oracle DBA and more. I have barely scratched the surface of what life has to offer. No way I could of done half of that playing games. And I think I am a bit lazy!

Congrats.

Any idiot can (and most are/do) can shot a gun. And yes, there are mall shootings from time to time . I recall one in the last year that was a mimic of Halo, if memory serves.

Have you fired a gun before? Unless they were using a pea shooter, it's not something you can just pick up and fire. Especially if you want accuracy.

You just lost it here pal.... did the game fry a few brain cells? Did you just make my point (busting your chops)

If you make playing games your whole life and doing nothing but that and helping your bodily needs (bathroom, food, sleep), those kinds of people are ones I despise. However, playing games more than what someone says is good? Not a problem.

I made no point of yours; merely, you proved that zealotry is something that should be frowned upon.

I'm sure they had oil paints back then. Really! It's not like they painted Jesus around the 1300's or so... oh wait, they did

You mis-understood (as I was afraid it might happen). I meant a gamer, getting so caught up being a gamer that it is all consuming, that it is just a game and not a lifestyle.
Your tone is slowly changing to be a bit of an attack (highlighted), I am doing my best to behave, you should do likewise unless there is a reason.

I'm sorry, but I don't misunderstand anything, unlike you it seems. You can be a gamer and live a healthy life, or you can be an obsessed gamer and live a horrible life from another's point of view. You seem to categorize all gamers as the same, so I'll do you a favor;

Gamers are not all bad. That's like saying Christians are all good, because trust me, I've seen jerks who said they followed the faith.

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

• FACT: Fallout 3 and other games depict graphic violence.
• FACT: Fallout 3 and other games feature sex and foul language.
• FACT: Fallout 3 and other games provide the option to commit evil, heinous acts. Yes it is an option, but it is available to the player. The point is not whether you can choose to be good or evil, the plain fact is you can be evil in Fallout 3 and other games!
• FACT: Some kids, not all (So don't give me that "Well it never made me kill anyone!") can be driven to real-world violence by video games. It's not the only factor that causes kids to kill, but it is a major one.
• FACT: Games like these allow kids to live out school shooting / mass murder fantasies.
• FACT: Games like this, the more realistic they get with graphics and processing power, further blur the line between reality and fantasy.
• FACT: You cannot be a Christian and play these games because Paul warns us throughout the Bible several times to keep ourselves seperate from wicked influences!

The choice to be Evil and the Choice to Good is existent in real life as well. It is a CHOICE. Without Evil, Good wouldnt seem as triumphant, so you need both ends, especially in a form of Entertainment.
Also, there is NO SEX in this game. There are Prostitutes that are in the game world, but you are unable to solicit them by any means, and see no acts of sexuality, ever.
Yes, its violent. However, this is because of the setting. You simply could not have compelling game set in a Post-apocolyptic retro-50's future without any form of combat. We aint talking Tetris here. Also, this is not much more violent then other entries onto the post-apocolyptic genre (This includes movies and books!).

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

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I'm sorry, but I don't misunderstand anything, unlike you it seems. You can be a gamer and live a healthy life, or you can be an obsessed gamer and live a horrible life from another's point of view. You seem to categorize all gamers as the same, so I'll do you a favor;

Gamers are not all bad. That's like saying Christians are all good, because trust me, I've seen jerks who said they followed the faith.

Uh, you might want to re-think this.............

[Apollyon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Uh, you might want to re-think this.............

Rethink anything? Sorry, but no, I won't.

A person can call himself a Christian, but is he really? Or is he simply saying this, and yet bending the bible to his whims, using only what words fits with his ideals?

And riddle me this: which of these two do you think would be a gamer?



This guy, or...



This guy?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Both are gamers, obviously.

[Apollyon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Both are gamers, obviously.

The thread starter himself, presents an interesting answer.