[Nobar King]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

This guy, or...



This guy?

I know that guy, that's moot, the pervert who is behind all the 4chan nonsense. He has enough intelligence to not harass people for their religious beliefs.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Rethink anything? Sorry, but no, I won't.

A person can call himself a Christian, but is he really? Or is he simply saying this, and yet bending the bible to his whims, using only what words fits with his ideals?

And riddle me this: which of these two do you think would be a gamer?



This guy, or...



This guy?

The bottom guy. The upper guy is merely a cartoon, can't you tell?

I have lost what little respect I had from you. Your posts are getting more and more bizarre and erratic. Unfortunately, you are displaying exactly the kind of behavior I was referring to earlier. Truth be told, I did not think you were that messed up. But over the course of an hour, your true self came out. And it is disturbing. I am not just saying that.
Bye.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

The thread starter himself, presents an interesting answer.

Of course. I am an expert on video games. The only difference between you and I is that I am not afraid to speak the truth about these murder simulators.

[Apollyon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I know that guy, that's moot, the pervert who is behind all the 4chan nonsense. He has enough intelligence to not harass people for their religious beliefs.

Of course he doesn't harass people. He's moot, and by the way, not a pervert, but merely the owner of a website and a pretty cool guy.

The bottom guy. The upper guy is merely a cartoon, can't you tell?

I have lost what little respect I had from you. Your posts are getting more and more bizarre and erratic. Unfortunately, you are displaying exactly the kind of behavior I was referring to earlier. Truth be told, I did not think you were that messed up. But over the course of an hour, your true self came out. And it is disturbing. I am not just saying that.
Bye.

You don't like examples, it seems. Oh well.

Of course. I am an expert on video games. The only difference between you and I is that I am not afraid to speak the truth about these murder simulators.

Sorry, but to tell the truth, only the above one is a 'gamer'; the bottom one doesn't play video games to my knowledge (or at least more than 4+ hours.) If you are such an expert on video games, you would know more than just what you find on Wikipedia on Fallout 3, my friend. You would know that the game has choices, and you do not have to kill good people, sleep with anyone, or eat the flesh of people. You can save the city, or destroy it with an atom bomb, but once again, it is a choice. A choice to be good or to be evil. I guess you didn't save the world (or at least, D.C.) in the game, did you?

You cannot say the 'truth' about video games, but merely your opinion about it, which you regard as true. I, sir, do not believe opinions as the truth.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Rev. Osborne, he is acting just like in the pamphlet, amazing!

[Apollyon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Rev. Osborne, he is acting just like in the pamphlet, amazing!

Why, because I fight to bring knowledge? Or because you don't like me calling Christians as 'not all good'? Remember, merely following a faith will not make you good; only your choices will. After all, if they were all good, we wouldn't have holy wars, would we? Or we wouldn't have censorship, which is the case I'm seeing here.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Sorry, but to tell the truth, only the above one is a 'gamer'; the bottom one doesn't play video games to my knowledge (or at least more than 4+ hours.) If you are such an expert on video games, you would know more than just what you find on Wikipedia on Fallout 3, my friend. You would know that the game has choices, and you do not have to kill good people, sleep with anyone, or eat the flesh of people. You can save the city, or destroy it with an atom bomb, but once again, it is a choice. A choice to be good or to be evil. I guess you didn't save the world (or at least, D.C.) in the game, did you?

I have no idea how many times I've had to tell people this: It's not about choice, it's the fact you can do these evil things! I know you can choose between a good path and bad one in Fallout 3 and Oblivion. I know that. But the choice is there for kids to act out their evil fantasies by hacking large amounts of innocent people to death and other heinous acts.

To put this in perspective: Imagine there was a cave in Fallout 3 which is completely optional. You don't have to go to it at all. But, inside this cave is a bunch of graphic child pornography which the player can watch. Videos of kids getting raped.

So what's the big deal? It's optional, right? It's a choice, right? The player doesn't have to go in there and watch the child sex videos. So what's the big fuss?

[Apollyon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I have no idea how many times I've had to tell people this: It's not about choice, it's the fact you can do these evil things! I know you can choose between a good path and bad one in Fallout 3 and Oblivion. I know that. But the choice is there for kids to act out their evil fantasies by hacking large amounts of innocent people to death and other heinous acts.

To put this in perspective: Imagine there was a cave in Fallout 3 which is completely optional. You don't have to go to it at all. But, inside this cave is a bunch of graphic child pornography which the player can watch. Videos of kids getting raped.

So what's the big deal? It's optional, right? It's a choice, right? The player doesn't have to go in there and watch the child sex videos. So what's the big fuss?

The big fuss is that you don't believe in choice, but rather existence of potential evil. And remember that child pornography is illegal, but virtual combat is not.

Now about the being able to kill good people, bomb a city, and solicit sex (which, CyanideJay has pointed out this cannot be done), it's virtual and not real life, and only people with mental problems would think otherwise. Otherwise, people will be killing people because they read violence in the Bible, or because they watch violence in The Passion of Christ (is that the right title?), or because the holy wars they read about in history has numerous people killing each other in the name of God.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

And now, he is acting all full of himself, continuing to make absurd statements.

Interesting to see a 'gamer mind in action', their behavior is a lot like Pavlov's dog.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

The big fuss is that you don't believe in choice, but rather existence of potential evil. And remember that child pornography is illegal, but virtual combat is not.

Whether it is illegal or not is a moot point. What I was trying to show you is how you would be offended by the game if it had child pornography in it. This is how I feel about Fallout 3. In my opinion, virtual combat should be illegal as well. I am pretty sure you would not like a game even if it had a choice to view something as disgusting and morally wrong as child pornography. Or...would you honestly not care?

Now about the being able to kill good people, bomb a city, and solicit sex (which, CyanideJay has pointed out this cannot be done), it's virtual and not real life, and only people with mental problems would think otherwise. Otherwise, people will be killing people because they read violence in the Bible, or because they watch violence in The Passion of Christ (is that the right title?), or because the holy wars they read about in history has numerous people killing each other in the name of God.

Two big problems with this...

1. The violence in the Bible is not graphic.
2. The violence in the Bible is not gratuitous. It illustrates a purpose. God smote people who disobeyed Him. Fallout 3 has violence for its own sake.

[Apollyon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

And now, he is acting all full of himself, continuing to make absurd statements.

Interesting to see a 'gamer mind in action', their behavior is a lot like Pavlov's dog.

A 'gamer' mind, eh? I guess you like stereotypes, like how all Christians are good, but in reality, not all are good.

I do like you, I really do, but you constantly 'try' to insult me for my own lifestyle. I like to see a 'zealot mind in action' such as yourself, their behavior is a lot like the ignorant people of the world.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Now Rev., notice the feeble attempt at befriending me (LOL, just like he tried with Brother Nobar a while ago). Notice, in his zeal to defend his position, he calls me a 'zealot'. Very interesting.
Next will be the tantrum.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I do like you, I really do, but you constantly 'try' to insult me for my own lifestyle. I like to see a 'zealot mind in action' such as yourself, their behavior is a lot like the ignorant people of the world.

Why do you think "zealots" are bad? You keep saying that. It's even in your sig. Guess what, though? God wants us to be full of passion! He tells us if we are not, we will be damned to Hell.

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Now Rev., notice the feeble attempt at befriending me (LOL, just like he tried with Brother Nobar a while ago). Notice, in his zeal to defend his position, he calls me a 'zealot'. Very interesting.
Next will be the tantrum.

I know, it's one of those "jedi mind tricks" atheists like to play. Don't be fooled. They lull you into a false sense of security then pounce you.

What's quite funny is Brother Nobar's signature

[Apollyon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Whether it is illegal or not is a moot point. What I was trying to show you is how you would be offended by the game if it had child pornography in it. This is how I feel about Fallout 3. In my opinion, virtual combat should be illegal as well. I am pretty sure you would not like a game even if it had a choice to view something as disgusting and morally wrong as child pornography. Or...would you honestly not care?

Once again, it is illegal, and mind you, experiencing something (killing someone in a video game, watching child pornography) and physicially doing something (killing someone or raping a child) are rather different. I'm sure you would want it to be illegal, but hey, that's your opinion.

Two big problems with this...

1. The violence in the Bible is not graphic.
2. The violence in the Bible is not gratuitous. It illustrates a purpose. God smote people who disobeyed Him. Fallout 3 has violence for its own sake.

The holy wars were bloody, and I'm quite sure the Passion of the Christ was bloody too. And for your sake, the Bible, while you can't see anything, you can still IMAGINE what it was like, and that, my friend, can be more violent than anything out on the market.