[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Too late.

It says in your signature who will be damned, the last one being 'Liars'. I simply thought that the Reverend was relaying 2nd hand information that he may have typed inaccuratly. However, I am starting to believe this is not the case.
The Reverend has posted false things about the game. Does this constitute as lying? I didnt even attack the article in general, as he is correct on a majority of points.
It just bugs me when people spread lies, especially about something (it would seem) the liars know nothing about.
From the sounds of things..I may be the only one....

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

The Rev. never posted a single false statement. Nor did he interpret parts of the Bible to make a point. He said it verbatim. He stated clear and simple fact.

Nearly all the gamers posting on this thread are OCD. They have some serious issues. The rantings and attitudes serve to further condemn them. Some claim to be young children (15?) others, I think in their 30's. Some are obviously intelligent and reasonably functional. Others are borderline mental defectives. Most of them show greatly stunted maturity.

I do not play these video games for these very reasons. I saw what it did to others. I know I'd get hooked and play it for days on end, ruining my life. I guess the denial they have is like junkies. Not until they hit rock bottom will they realize they have a serious problem and seek help. I pray they would look for God to help them but to be honest, any help from anyone would be a good start.

Please consider getting help, think about it. Then come back and let's talk

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

How would answer these questions?

Are the majority of your friends those with whom you play games?
Do you try to find ways of playing your online game when you are not at home?
Are you unable to predict time spent gaming?
Do you deny addiction to a MMORPG, but somehow still feel the need to play?
Do you feel preoccupied with gaming (do you think about previous gaming activity or anticipate your next session)?
Do you spend much of your free time surfing game-related websites?
Do you spend a significant amount of time outside the game in activities relating to the game?
Do you often check your gaming boards before doing other things that you need to do?
Do you find yourself flirting with those of the opposite sex in the game in an attempt to build a relationship?
Do you feel your heart racing as you control your character in a flee from danger?
Do you feel a sudden rush of intense joy/sense of euphoria and relaxation after an in-game accomplishment?
Do you experience stronger emotions while in your online game than you do in real life?
Do you ever refer to yourself by the name of your In-Game character, or cling to your character's name for your emails, instant messenger, etc?
Do you occupy uninterested friends/family/partner with conversation about the game?
Do you attempt to get friends/family/partner to play, so you can play more?
Do you feel closer to your character than to your real self?
Have you withdrawn from real life hobbies?
Do you eat at the computer while gaming or do you skip meals to game?
Have your sleep patterns changed or do you lose sleep due to late-night raids/gaming?
Have you experienced physical effects from excessive gaming (e.g. carpal tunnel, eye strain, weight change, back ache, sore neck, arms, wrist)?
Do you spend real money on the purchase of in-game items?
Do you often become defensive or secretive when you are asked what you do when you are gaming?
Do you deny, rationalize and minimize the negative consequences of gaming?
Do you feel the need to "stand up for gamers" and proclaim that your life is perfect by listing all of your life's achievements, and yet still game for 4-6 hours per day?
Do you neglect household chores to spend time gaming?
Have you given up or reduced time spent at important social, occupational, or recreational activities in your real life to play the game?
Do you prefer the excitement of gaming to intimacy with your partner?
Has your excessive gaming caused trouble at home?
Have you missed work/school because of your game playing?
Have you jeopardized or risked the loss of a significant relationship, job, educational or career opportunity because of your game playing?
Do you wish people would mind their own business about your gaming and stop telling you what to do?
Do you try to hide how long you've been gaming?
Do you often snap, yell, or act annoyed if someone interrupts you while you are gaming?
Do you tell yourself you can stop playing the game any time you want to, even though you keep playing when you don't mean to?
Have you repeatedly made unsuccessful efforts to control, cut back, or stop your game playing?
Do you have difficulty staying away from gaming for several days at a time?
Do you feel the need to play games for increasing amounts of time in order to achieve satisfaction?
Do you often fear that life without gaming would be boring, empty, and joyless?
Have you ever decided to stop playing the game for a week or so, but only lasted for a couple of days?
Do you feel restless, moody, depressed, or irritable when attempting to cut down or stop your gaming? Does it go away once you have started gaming again?
Have you ever switched from one game to another in the hope it will keep you from playing so much?
Have you lied to family members, a therapist, or others to conceal the extent of your involvement with gaming?
Do you use gaming as a way of escaping from problems or of relieving a dysphoric mood (e.g. Feelings of helplessness, guilt, anxiety, depression)?
Do you envy people who can play the game without getting into 'trouble'?
Do you feel guilt, shame, anxiety or depression around the time you spend gaming?
Have you ever felt that your life would be better if you did not play the game so much?

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I posted before what he got wrong. And again, I keep getting berated. I have tried my best to be civil, and also tried my best from personally attacking anyone. Again, I just want the Reverend to fix the few problems with his original post. If you cant see he is wrong about the few things I have mentioned, then you ARE blind. I have played Fallout 3 for quite some time, and I do know what Im talking about when it comes to the game.

Thats a lot of questions to answer, gimme another post to answer them, if you would please.

[zalphon]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I am somewhat of an atheist (I believe in god, but I dont believe the bible is all true). To be honest, I dont think there are bad games, or bad people, just mentally ill people...

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Ok, answer are here Mr. Hutchins.


Are the majority of your friends those with whom you play games?
*Games yes, but not all Video Games. I am also an avid CCG and Board game players. Also enjoy outdoor paintball.
Do you try to find ways of playing your online game when you are not at home?
*Nope, dont even own a Handheld. I play at home, thats it.
Are you unable to predict time spent gaming?
*lol, yeah. But no more than reading a good book. Just lose track sometimes when you get involved ya know?
Do you deny addiction to a MMORPG, but somehow still feel the need to play?
*I have quit playing MMO's due to time constraints.
Do you feel preoccupied with gaming (do you think about previous gaming activity or anticipate your next session)?
*Yes, but not in the form your thinking. Gotta remember your mistakes from past play sessions sometimes.
Do you spend much of your free time surfing game-related websites?
*Nope, what time I do get on the PC is spent surfing all kinds of news.
Do you spend a significant amount of time outside the game in activities relating to the game?
*Little unclear on this one, please elaborate?
Do you often check your gaming boards before doing other things that you need to do?
*Gaming boards are often havens to falmers and whiners, so I avoid a large majority.
Do you find yourself flirting with those of the opposite sex in the game in an attempt to build a relationship?
*lol, no. Rather pathetic I personally feel.
Do you feel your heart racing as you control your character in a flee from danger?
*Depends on the game, but I have felt that on occasion.
Do you feel a sudden rush of intense joy/sense of euphoria and relaxation after an in-game accomplishment?
*Joy, especially when beating another player. If there is no joy in it, why do it?
Do you experience stronger emotions while in your online game than you do in real life?
*No man, game is a game.
Do you ever refer to yourself by the name of your In-Game character, or cling to your character's name for your emails, instant messenger, etc?
*Yes. Only for E-mails however.
Do you occupy uninterested friends/family/partner with conversation about the game?
*On occasion. However, this has gotten people interested into some games on occasion.
Do you attempt to get friends/family/partner to play, so you can play more?
*Nope.
Do you feel closer to your character than to your real self?
*another nope.
Have you withdrawn from real life hobbies?
*No sir. I actually have to many hobbies!
Do you eat at the computer while gaming or do you skip meals to game?
*No, because one can pause or save and turn it off.
Have your sleep patterns changed or do you lose sleep due to late-night raids/gaming?
*On occasion, however this is mainly to play with RL friends, as many work late.
Have you experienced physical effects from excessive gaming (e.g. carpal tunnel, eye strain, weight change, back ache, sore neck, arms, wrist)?
*Tunnel Vision on occasion, depending game (Racers mostly). Nerd Note:HD gaming can be contributed to at least a 10% increase in Eyesight!
Do you spend real money on the purchase of in-game items?
*Nope, always hated that style of pay-to play.
Do you often become defensive or secretive when you are asked what you do when you are gaming?
*lol, no. Im quite open about my nerdiness.
Do you deny, rationalize and minimize the negative consequences of gaming?
*These are all a matter of perception. for as many reports that say one thing, there are those that say another. I just enjoy playing.
Do you feel the need to "stand up for gamers" and proclaim that your life is perfect by listing all of your life's achievements, and yet still game for 4-6 hours per day?
*I feel a need to stand up to the mass of misinformation and lack of knowledge when it comes to Video Games. I feel gamers can take care of themselves.
Do you neglect household chores to spend time gaming?
*On occasion
Have you given up or reduced time spent at important social, occupational, or recreational activities in your real life to play the game?
*Never because of gaming.
Do you prefer the excitement of gaming to intimacy with your partner?
*lolol, that IS a joke question right? If not, the answer is no.
Has your excessive gaming caused trouble at home?
*Nope, just a hobby.
Have you missed work/school because of your game playing?
*I've missed school/work and played games, but never did not go because of Games.
Have you jeopardized or risked the loss of a significant relationship, job, educational or career opportunity because of your game playing?
*No
Do you wish people would mind their own business about your gaming and stop telling you what to do?
*Nah, I implore conversation.
Do you try to hide how long you've been gaming?
*Nope, proud to game.
Do you often snap, yell, or act annoyed if someone interrupts you while you are gaming?
*Yes
Do you tell yourself you can stop playing the game any time you want to, even though you keep playing when you don't mean to?
*The classic 'Just one more game' scenario? Happens on occasion.
Have you repeatedly made unsuccessful efforts to control, cut back, or stop your game playing?
*Nope
Do you have difficulty staying away from gaming for several days at a time?
*Nope, I'll find something to do anywhere I am.
Do you feel the need to play games for increasing amounts of time in order to achieve satisfaction?
*Depends on the game. Some games are obviously longer and more in-depth than others
Do you often fear that life without gaming would be boring, empty, and joyless?
*No
Have you ever decided to stop playing the game for a week or so, but only lasted for a couple of days?
*No
Do you feel restless, moody, depressed, or irritable when attempting to cut down or stop your gaming? Does it go away once you have started gaming again?
*No
Have you ever switched from one game to another in the hope it will keep you from playing so much?
*?? That dont make much sense, as I would still be playing a game.
Have you lied to family members, a therapist, or others to conceal the extent of your involvement with gaming?
*Again, No. Im quite open about my hobbies.
Do you use gaming as a way of escaping from problems or of relieving a dysphoric mood (e.g. Feelings of helplessness, guilt, anxiety, depression)?
*No, I use them to curb boredom and because I enjoy them as an Artform.
Do you envy people who can play the game without getting into 'trouble'?
*No, because Im one.
Do you feel guilt, shame, anxiety or depression around the time you spend gaming?
*No, however, I may be misuderstanding the question.
Have you ever felt that your life would be better if you did not play the game so much?
*No, for I see it as any other hobbie, and I am equally passionate about a large majority of my hobbies.

[iwannatouchU]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I feel that I could contribute to this conversation. Now I'm not one to play the video games, but I do own a gun store.

Day in and day out, I see all kinds of customers, from fathers bringing their little boys in to buy them their very first hand guns, to hunters looking for armor piercing rounds, to Landover Church Security always browsing for the latest in Christian self-defense.

You know what they all have in common? They are all decent white Christian folks. None of them are looking for trouble, they are all trustworthy individuals.

There's nothing dangerous about a gun store. Guns don't inspire people to go on murderous rampages. Video games do. If you want to feel scared, take a stroll through your local computer store, and look at all the diabolical, satanic games that are being marketed towards our children!

Which makes YOU feel more frightened? The fact that there are millions of trustworthy white gun owners who enjoy hunting and occasionally showing off with guns (which is wrong because it is prideful), or the fact that any kid can walk into Wal-Mart and buy any murder simulator he wants, that will teach him how to kill indiscriminately, use drugs, hire prostitutes and disrespect authority?

What kind of twisted mind enjoys sitting in front of a screen shooting at cartoon characters when he could be out in nature gunning down rabbits, dear, raccoons, and other types of pests?

Is it illegal to sell guns to non-christians?

[Shoebarf]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

If Saving Souls® was not such a serious business, I would think all these gamers were comedians. Never in my life, has nearly every comment not left me chuckling. The absurd obsession is incredible. All zealots and the adage "Over the Top" does not even scratch the surface. Hemingway would of loved you guys. God created man, Gamers are proof of His humor.

I don't know, if the absurd notion that god created life was true, I would think that Christians are proof of his humor. Actually, religion in general. Is it ironic that you, Mr. James Hutchins, have the audacity to dub anyone a zealot? Yes, good sir, it is ironic as hell.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I don't know, if the absurd notion that god created life was true, I would think that Christians are proof of his humor. Actually, religion in general. Is it ironic that you, Mr. James Hutchins, have the audacity to dub anyone a zealot? Yes, good sir, it is ironic as hell.

You know what's really ironic? Why a self-proclaimed atheist who wastes all his hours playing video games decides to sign up to a Christian forum and post.

[Shoebarf]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

You know what's really ironic? Why a self-proclaimed atheist who wastes all his hours playing video games decides to sign up to a Christian forum and post.

A bold assumption made there, Reverend. I could just as easily say that all Christians spend all of their time reading the Bible, couldn't I? I guess you could say my predicament is ironic, but I must confess that I enjoy seeing what the good people of Landover Baptist Church have to say.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

What good True Christian(tm) wouldn't spend all their time reading a Bible?

[Shoebarf]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

What good True Christian™ wouldn't spend all their time reading a Bible?

Touché.

[Stevie]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

The ignorance of some of you boggles the mind sometimes. The only kind of kids that play a video game and walk away from it thinking it's ok to kill people are the children of bad parenting. No amount of religion or politics is going to make it better. For all of you so sit here and cast judgment on a video game maker is wrong.

[Nobar King]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

The ignorance of some of you boggles the mind sometimes. The only kind of kids that play a video game and walk away from it thinking it's ok to kill people are the children of bad parenting. No amount of religion or politics is going to make it better. For all of you so sit here and cast judgment on a video game maker is wrong.

Apparently to you casting judgment on a religion is OK? Hypocrite.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

The ignorance of some of you boggles the mind sometimes. The only kind of kids that play a video game and walk away from it thinking it's ok to kill people are the children of bad parenting. No amount of religion or politics is going to make it better. For all of you so sit here and cast judgment on a video game maker is wrong.

The problem, until a gamer kills in real life, we are considered 'over reacting'. Not a week goes by when there is not news of another gamer related death.
See, gamers as a whole are not very bright. They think they are, but all they ever have to compare to is other gamers. Basically, one cesspool is as clean as another. So when a gamer 'snaps' and goes on a murderous rampage, catching them is no harder than going to the kids parents basement, where the child is typically found, balled up in a corner with his 'blankie'. It is an open and shut case. Because of this and the fact it has become so common place, no one gives it much notice any more. Everyone is too busy texting, drinking their latte and driving the Prius to notice.