[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Surely it is every human beings choice as to whether they are straight or gay?.As christians,should you not be more concerned about your own lives,and let others get on with theirs?.Iunderstand that by living to the Bible,you obey rules set out from God.But then isn't it up to God to chastise and intervene in these matters?.I realise that you don't want certain traits coming to you,but to class every one who doesn't agree,queer,is to say a little insulting.I don't agree with some of the things i am reading,but i am a very straight woman.I also don't agree with the amount on insults that are said here.There are a few very nice people who have tried to support me,But then there are some who are either genuinely or pretending to be verbally assaulting.And at the end of the day folks,it's up to each soul how they live.Queer,Straight or wanting more than one wife.Each to his own.

You have a poor understanding of Christianity, angels. You take the Satanic-inspired belief of: "Let everybody else do what they want, worry about yourselves." Yet, doesn't Paul teach us that it is our job as Christians to witness for Christ and go out and evangelize the world? That stands in contrary to your resigning, hippie beliefs.

We are to go out to world and evangelize. We also have a Biblically-commanded right to judge others for their sins:

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

And do you not understand that homosexuality is a sin? We cannot stand idly by and let people partake in this abomination, like you would rather have us.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

We follow the Bible 100%. We don't pick and choose which of God's Laws we follow....we follow ALL of them. If you are a so-called Christian, where do you get the moral authority to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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I completely agree with that.But what i was trying to get across is that surely it is every humans right to chose.Without being insulted or criticised for not agreeing with you all.

Well I agree completely with you too: Every human has a right to choose. They can either choose to follow God's law and have eternal life through Jesus Christ, or they can willfully disobey and be damned to hell for eternity.

We've already established there is free will. So, angels, which side will you choose?

[angels]

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Hold on there one moment.Where does it say in the Bible that because i lead a quiet peaceful life,i am a hippy?.I really would care to see you walk up to a straight man and call him gay,just because he appears so to you.
Or to blame a blind man's blindness on his sin,tell him to his face,i mean.
I have been going to church all of my life,and never have i come across anything like this.
I also wouldn't condemn a woman who was being raped,or a mother who's child dies.
If being a good Christian woman means taking that,then maybe i'm not.
You're understanding of the Bible is obviously more profound than mine,but i live by the 10 Commandments,everyday of my life.
Who are you to doubt me,only Jesus can do that,on Judgement day.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Hold on there one moment.Where does it say in the Bible that because i lead a quiet peaceful life,i am a hippy?.I really would care to see you walk up to a straight man and call him gay,just because he appears so to you.
Or to blame a blind man's blindness on his sin,tell him to his face,i mean.
I have been going to church all of my life,and never have i come across anything like this.
I also wouldn't condemn a woman who was being raped,or a mother who's child dies.
If being a good Christian woman means taking that,then maybe i'm not.
You're understanding of the Bible is obviously more profound than mine,but i live by the 10 Commandments,everyday of my life.
Who are you to doubt me,only Jesus can do that,on Judgement day.

No, the Bible doesn't say if you lead a peaceful life you're a hippie. I say, if you ignore the Bible and preach tolerance of sinners, then you're a hippie. But see, therein lies the problem: You say you've never seen anything like this in church, but then you say my understanding is more profound. This is my point. Most churches do not preach all of the Bible. They may preach SOME, but not ALL. They feel it is their right to pick and choose which of God's laws they want to follow. The difference between Landover Baptist is that we choose to follow ALL laws. We believe the Bible is the unerring Word of God and we do not stray from it. So, in essence, we are the truest of all Christians, hence the term: "True Christians(tm)".

You do realize the Bible is MORE than the Ten Commandments, right? Yes, it's great to live by the Ten, but you must also live by all the rules that God has laid out for us. Where in the Bible does it say only to follow the Ten Commandments and nothing else? Show me.

And to answer your question about blaming a blind man for sin, we only have to look no further than Scripture:

Ex.4:11
Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Lev.21:17-23
Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. ... Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries.

Pastor Ezekiel here started a great discussion on Why God Hates Cripples. I suggest you read up on it! Excellent biblical scholarship!

[JennyD]

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Surely it is every human beings choice as to whether they are straight or gay?.

Exactly! YES! They CHOOSE the Sodomite Deathstyle.

As christians,should you not be more concerned about your own lives,and let others get on with theirs?.

No. We are Saved(c), and will go to Heaven. God says that the Sodomites are going to Hell. We want to spare them that fate by helping them find Jesus.

We love them and don't want them to be tortured for all eternity.

Why do you hate the Sodomites?

And at the end of the day folks,it's up to each soul how they live.Queer,Straight or wanting more than one wife.Each to his own.

And at the end of the world, it's up to God how they spend eternity. Burning in unending and unimaginable agony in Hell for ever and ever, or joyously serving and praising our Lord in Heaven.

What sort of people would we be if we didn't point this out at every opportunity?

[angels]

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Exactly! YES! They CHOOSE the Sodomite Deathstyle.

No. We are Saved©, and will go to Heaven. God says that the Sodomites are going to Hell. We want to spare them that fate by helping them find Jesus.

We love them and don't want them to be tortured for all eternity.

Why do you hate the Sodomites?


And at the end of the world, it's up to God how they spend eternity. Burning in unending and unimaginable agony in Hell for ever and ever, or joyously serving and praising our Lord in Heaven.

What sort of people would we be if we didn't point this out at every opportunity?

I actually don't hate anybody.Why would you think i do?.

[angels]

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Well I agree completely with you too: Every human has a right to choose. They can either choose to follow God's law and have eternal life through Jesus Christ, or they can willfully disobey and be damned to hell for eternity.

We've already established there is free will. So, angels, which side will you choose?

I know which path i'm walking.I'm honest,caring,and true to myself and to God too.I am living my life the best way i know how.I don't live in a community that is like yours,but that does not make me any less worth than you.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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I actually don't hate anybody.Why would you think i do?.

Well this might require some logical understanding on your behalf, so I can hope you can follow me. Let me point it out to you in basic terms

• Homosexuals are going to hell.
• We are trying to save Homosexuals from an eternity from hell by preaching the Word of God that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior and that the Bible is His Word and must be followed thoroughly.
• You do not care about the fate of homosexuals. You are indifferent to their destiny, so you live with "tolerance". We are the ones trying to save them from hell, you would rather let them go there happily.

So in light of these facts, ask yourself....Who REALLY hates homosexuals?

[angels]

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Well this might require some logical understanding on your behalf, so I can hope you can follow me. Let me point it out to you in basic terms

• Homosexuals are going to hell.
• We are trying to save Homosexuals from an eternity from hell by preaching the Word of God that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior and that the Bible is His Word and must be followed thoroughly.
• You do not care about the fate of homosexuals. You are indifferent to their destiny, so you live with "tolerance". We are the ones trying to save them from hell, you would rather let them go there happily.

So in light of these facts, ask yourself....Who REALLY hates homosexuals?

Point one. I do not hate anyone.
Point two. I am tolerant,maybe in your eyes that is wrong.God will judge me,as so many people on here keep saying.I'm going to hell.
Point three.All of that jargon coming from a religion that actually promotes kidnapping babies from the back of cars,while the parents are in the petrol station.

Now you please tell me,what possible reason i have to hate anyone,it's not in my nature to hate.I've been brought up to love my fellow man.
And for the record,i love the way you turn and twist things so that i'm the one you think is to blame,Oh and another thing,why don't you treat women the same as men?.I would have gone back on that thread to ask,but the Pastor would have me shackled if i entered that men only part again.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Point one. I do not hate anyone.
Point two. I am tolerant,maybe in your eyes that is wrong.God will judge me,as so many people on here keep saying.I'm going to hell.
Point three.All of that jargon coming from a religion that actually promotes kidnapping babies from the back of cars,while the parents are in the petrol station.

You don't listen very well do you. You say you don't hate anyone, but if you are willing to let your fellow human beings (homosexuals) go to Hell without even attempting to save their soul, how can you say you don't hate them? That's like saying you discovered a cure for cancer, but don't want any cancer patients to know about it, then claiming you don't hate cancer patients.

Point two: God will judge you. You will go to hell. That has been established.

Point three: That "jargon" doesn't come from the Bible. That was my own personal opinion, which happens to be right.

Now you please tell me,what possible reason i have to hate anyone,it's not in my nature to hate.I've been brought up to love my fellow man.
And for the record,i love the way you turn and twist things so that i'm the one you think is to blame,Oh and another thing,why don't you treat women the same as men?.I would have gone back on that thread to ask,but the Pastor would have me shackled if i entered that men only part again.

If you love somebody, wouldn't you want what is best for them? I love everybody in the world, that is why I spread the Word of God and let people know what can save them from aeternal hellfire. You haven't shown any love for anybody. You would rather have most of the world burn in hell, including you, without giving even a backwards glance. Unlike you, I care about the salvation of souls.

Why don't we treat women the same as men? Because the Bible says women are meant to be helpers, servants, and to obey us.

Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

1st Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord

1st Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

[angels]

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You don't listen very well do you. You say you don't hate anyone, but if you are willing to let your fellow human beings (homosexuals) go to Hell without even attempting to save their soul, how can you say you don't hate them? That's like saying you discovered a cure for cancer, but don't want any cancer patients to know about it, then claiming you don't hate cancer patients.

Point two: God will judge you. You will go to hell. That has been established.

Point three: That "jargon" doesn't come from the Bible. That was my own personal opinion, which happens to be right.



If you love somebody, wouldn't you want what is best for them? I love everybody in the world, that is why I spread the Word of God and let people know what can save them from aeternal hellfire. You haven't shown any love for anybody. You would rather have most of the world burn in hell, including you, without giving even a backwards glance. Unlike you, I care about the salvation of souls.

Why don't we treat women the same as men? Because the Bible says women are meant to be helpers, servants, and to obey us.

Please as you say,i don't listen to well.Have i grasped this right now.You would go to the gay and lesbians,the mentally ill and deranged,and tell them of God and Jesus?.
To become what you call a true Christian,i should do this too,as it's Gods calling to me?.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Please as you say,i don't listen to well.Have i grasped this right now.You would go to the gay and lesbians,the mentally ill and deranged,and tell them of God and Jesus?.
To become what you call a true Christian,i should do this too,as it's Gods calling to me?.

Yes, indeed I have. My televangelist ministry, at the height of its power in the 1980's reached over 90 countries. I spoke to gays and lesbians telling them the need to repent. I've done my share.

Yes, to become a True Christian(tm) you must follow the KJV 1611 Bible thoroughly, and without picking and choosing. It's your soul on the line.

[angels]

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Yes, indeed I have. My televangelist ministry, at the height of its power in the 1980's reached over 90 countries. I spoke to gays and lesbians telling them the need to repent. I've done my share.

Yes, to become a True Christian™ you must follow the KJV 1611 Bible thoroughly, and without picking and choosing. It's your soul on the line.

At last,now i get you.Ok i understand now.So to be a true Christian lady,i have to renounce evil,when i see it,by talking to the evil doers about the Lord our God.I have to repent of my sins through prayer,and work to encourage others to do the same.Finally if i am good,and am shown to be good,i may then and only then find a true Christian man to marry,and may then be allowed to heaven when i die.Is this what every one has been saying sir?.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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At last,now i get you.Ok i understand now.So to be a true Christian lady,i have to renounce evil,when i see it,by talking to the evil doers about the Lord our God.I have to repent of my sins through prayer,and work to encourage others to do the same.Finally if i am good,and am shown to be good,i may then and only then find a true Christian man to marry,and may then be allowed to heaven when i die.Is this what every one has been saying sir?.

You got it!

[angels]

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You got it!

Simple really.Now i get where everyone is coming from.