[Meek and Humble]

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But Jesus rose Lazarus from the grave.

There are two men named Lazarus in the Bible. There is Jesus' friend who He rose from the grave (John 11), the other is just the name of a character in a parable Jesus tells about a rich man and a poor man who die (Luke 16:19-31). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus

But thanks for showing how little you know about the Gospels.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Look everyone. Homosexuality is a sin, and like all sin, it pulls us away from God.

Two things:

First, no one, but God, can judge whether someone is going to hell or not. If you say you can, then you are saying your judgement is equal to God's; and we should all know that man's judgement is nowhere near God's. So, I am in no way saying that homosexuals will go to heaven or not. But my belief is that if homosexuals genuinely accept Christ in their life, their lifestyle will change and definitely they will go into heaven. For one who truly loves the Lord, gives an effort to follow His decrees. Some will point out that we have the tool of rebuking. Yes, God has given us the tool to rebuke; but that's just it, to rebuke. No where does it say to hate or judge them. And for those of you who think you know what rebuking is. Rebuking is supposed to be done out of love; to show the error of ones way so they may turn back towards God, not slandering. calling them names and "beating" them into submission until they feel like "filthy rags."

Second, like all sin, homosexuality can be forgiven. For those of you who think otherwise, that means your sins cannot be forgiven. Why? Let's take a look at 1 Corinthians 15:3. (I prefer using NASB over KJV, but I know Landover likes to use KJV, so I will use their tools.)

1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV)

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Paul says Christ died for our sins, it doesn't say some sins, He died for all our sins. Some of you will argue, "It doesn't say 'all' either." But it's implied, just as if someone said, "I want that pizza." If they wanted only some of the pizza it would be specified, "I want two slices of the pizza." Come on people, God gave us logic and reason to use. So, if some of you say that God didn't die to forgive homosexuality, then you're pretty much saying, God didn't die to forgive any sin.

Some of you would believe that they have no sin because Christ died for our sins. This is wrong. Why? Let's look at Romans 6:10-11.

Romans 6:10-11 (KJV)

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Yes we are dead to sin, on the account of Christ, but that doesn't mean we don't sin. See supporting passage 1 John 1:8, as I have mentioned in my previous post. And again I say, we are dead to sin because of what Christ did on the cross. Homosexuality is a sin. Christ died for our sin. I'll let you put two and two together.

Some will argue that Christ didn't die for everyone, but only a select few. Yes, there are only certain people who will make it to heaven that is already known to God, but that's because He's God and he knows all. Christ in fact died for all. Let's look at probably the most powerful and concise passage representation of the Gospel.

John 3:16 (KJV)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There you have it. Christ died for the world, not some of the world. Notice how the passage says, "that whosoever believeth in him," not that some who believe in him.

Lastly, I want to look at this verse that is highly overlooked.

John 3:17 (KJV)

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

If God didn't send His son to condemn the world then what right do we have to do so? He came to save us. And last I heard, God is love, not hate.

Chew on it.

First of all, you need to look at my sermon of the subject of judging others HERE. Like all false Christians, you are sugar-coating God's Word in order to make it agree with your liberal views. God commands us to rebuke the unsaved.

1 Tim 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

No one is saying that sodomites cannot be Saved(c). Through Jesus, all things are possible. We want them to be Saved(c) as much as Jesus does, which is why we rebuke them with all our might and fund programs like THIS one to turn them into ex-queers. hat does your church do for them, other than enable them to sodomize each other by handing out condoms and filling their heads with the idea that God will allow them into Heaven irregardless of their degenerate lifestyle?

The point is that without SINCERE REPENTANCE, there can be no Salvation(c). The Holy Bible is crystal clear on this point. Jesus did not die for everyone. He died for those who believe.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

Everyone doesn't believe in Jesus, thus they will perish.

By the way, The Bible also says that those who support queers will be joining them in eternal hellfire (Romans 1:31-32) . Better "chew on that" you arrogant fool.

[YoungK83]

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Yes, that's true. But a repentant homosexual would CEASE being homosexual. Homers can't get into heaven. A former homer can.

Dude...a repentant sinner is still a sinner, so why is it any different for a homosexual? True, some can and may turn from being a homosexual, but some may never change. That doesn't mean that they aren't saved. Who are you to say that they can't go to heaven? No one. Exactly. You have no say in this matter. Only God does.

When did we ever say homosexuality can't be forgiven?

I don't remember, someone said it in a previous post.

That says God loves everyone, right? Wrong. Every so-called Christian in the world will cite John 3:16 as proof that God loves everyone. They don't have a clue what the verse means, and, under the guidance of the lying false prophets who make up the "Christian" landscape, twist it to mean what they want it to mean. We call that "wresting the scripture unto your own destruction." 2 Peter 3:16.[/I]
It seems that if you're going to base an entire lying theology on one part of a verse, you would at least know what the verse means. But so-called Christians today are far too simple-minded and lazy to look into the matter. So we'll do it for you: the word translated "world" in John 3:16 is the Greek word "kosmos." The word never means "every individual of mankind who ever lived." In fact, the word has at least seven different meanings in the scripture, depending on the context in which it's used. It can mean Gentiles (as opposed to Jews); it can mean the world of believers; it can mean the world of unbelievers; it can mean the physical creation; etc. If you would actually read what the verse says, and read the context around the verse, you would find that the answer is right before your lying eyes - you just don't want to see it, because it conflicts with how your evil, dark hearts think God ought to be! The context is "the world of believers" (whether they are Jews or Gentiles). Those are the people God loves. Those are the people for whom Jesus died. Jesus didn't come to condemn those people - He came to save them. But everyone else is already condemned, because they don't believe.

Uh...dude...that's what I said. "Whoever believes" encompasses homosexuals who believe.

You'll say "but doesn't 'whosoever believes' mean that everybody has the chance to believe?" Nope. Turn a few pages to John 10 (you may be surprised to find that there is actually more to the Bible than John 3:16, but believe me, there is). You will find in John 10:11 that Jesus says "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." Later on in verse 26, Jesus says to some unbelievers: "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you." Uh oh - you John 3:16 heretics have a few problems on your hands. Jesus says He came to die for the sheep, and then proceeds to say that only His sheep can believe. In other words, only the people for whom Jesus died will believe.

Dude...of course only His sheep will believe. If they don't believe, then they aren't His sheep. This is pretty straight forward stuff. I don't know why you're just rewording scripture. And like I said above, homosexuals can be believers, just like liars, murderers and thieves can be believers.

Note that the reason that unbelievers don't believe is BECAUSE they are not His sheep. This passage explains who the world is in John 3:16, and it's clearly not everyone. Furthermore, the only people who can believe are the ones whom God has ordained to eternal life. "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48. So, if you have been ordained to eternal life, that means that you will believe, you are one of God's sheep, God loves you, and He sent His Son to die for you so you wouldn't be condemned. If you have not been ordained to eternal life, that means you are not one of His sheep, you NEVER will believe and are already condemned.

Dude...everyone has eternal life. Not everyone has it in heaven. And if they were ordained to have eternal life in heaven, why would Christ need to come and save them? There's no point. It is strictly because sinners will always be sinners. Christ had to take on the sin of the world so that ALL who come to believe will be saved.

What I've told you here is the only interpretation that makes sense, because that is the only interpretation that is consistent with the rest of the Scripture. For example, God hated Esau! Romans 9:13. And He didn't just hate him - He hated him before he was even born and had done neither good nor evil! Romans 9:11. If He hates a person, He doesn't love everyone. For another example, there are billions of people in hell. If He loves those people, what a peculiar way of showing it!

And if you knew your Scripture, you would know that love and hate in this passage is in regard to inheriting the covenant. If God hated Esau so, why was he such a blessed man? Exactly. Love and hate, was referring to the inheritance of the covenant. It means that he "loved" Jacob more for the inheritance of the covenant and "loved less" Esau for the inheritance of the covenant. Basically, he preferred Jacob to Esau, not that he actually hated Esau. The same "hate" in Greek shows up in John 12:25:

The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

Basically implying that we should not love our live more than God. Scripture isn't saying we should hate our lives. What it's saying is that in comparison to God, it should be as if we do hate our lives. It doesn't make sense that God would tell us to hate our lives. He would create us then tell us to hate our lives? And no, I'm not saying that ever said God told us to hate our lives, just making a point in the implication to the word hate in reference to Esau.

Our message to this evil world is that God hates you, and you better prepare for the return of Christ in power and glory. Jesus came the first time to save; and Jesus will come the second time in vengeance, because you do not obey the Gospel. It will be soon, and you will experience the wrath of the Lamb, face to face. (Deut. 7:10, Rev. 6:16).
Also see "God Loves Everyone" - The Greatest Lie Ever Told, which includes 701 passages from the Bible proving God's hatred and wrath for most of mankind.

If God hates me then God hates you. I know that God loves me and I experience it everyday. If you say otherwise, then you are implying that you know God's thoughts. And in turn means that you are God. For who can know the thoughts of God but God? If someone does know God's thought's they are either equal or greater than God. Which means they are God. Now you're not trying to go and say you're God are you?

So everyone on earth believes in Jesus?

I never said everyone believes in Jesus. I said everyone can believe in Jesus. Get it straight.

Yes, Jesus' job in the 33 years on earth was not condemnation, that came after. Why don't you read the entire passage?

John 3:18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Yea...so where in this passage does it say that condemnation came after? All it says is that those who don't believe are condemned already. Which makes sense because if you don't believe you will be condemned to hell. And verse 19 is just stating what the condemnation is.

The only reason I posted up what I did was so that if any homosexual wandered onto this page, they would have hope. Not that they should continue in their sin, but that they have hope in Christ, that if they believe, they will be saved. The gospel message is as simple as that. Believe and be saved.

[YoungK83]

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hat does your church do for them, other than enable them to sodomize each other by handing out condoms and filling their heads with the idea that God will allow them into Heaven irregardless of their degenerate lifestyle?

Yea...my church doesn't hand out condoms...sorry. You know what else we don't do? Slander them. We bring them into church, encourage and help them through their struggle. Yes, there is rebuking, but it's healthy rebuke not slander, as you do. As I have said before, rebuking is to uplift not beat down. Also, if God doesn't let them into heaven because of their "degenerate lifestyle" then why should he let you in? You still sin. Sin is sin.

By the way, The Bible also says that those who support queers will be joining them in eternal hellfire (Romans 1:31-32) . Better "chew on that" you arrogant fool.

Yea...I never said I approved of homosexuality. But I disprove of slandering them.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Yea...I never said I approved of homosexuality. But I disprove of slandering them.

The only thing I can add to rother HB's scathing rebuke is this: How is it possible to "slander" a filthy perverted queer who lets strangers in public toilets play hide the pickle with their poop chutes?

The concept staggers the mind....

[Bill Proper]

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I was brought up to believe that everyone deserves to be shown Christ's love. I pray that you do the same.

We are doing that,
I would rather hurt you with the truth than to comfort you with lies, and if you’re offended by the truth than it’s your own internal issues that cause it.

[nonethanks]

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this whole idea that being gay is a choice is completely bogus. i can't believe that people still buy that garbage.

to prove my point answer me these questions:
1. at what age did you decide that you were heterosexual?
2. do you know who richard simmons is? is there any possible way that he is "faking it" with his whole gay persona and made a conscious choice to effeminate?

You're right choosing to be straight is like saying that you can choose to like fish, you either like fish or you don't. It's something that wont change (probably)

[James Hutchins]

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You're right choosing to be straight is like saying that you can choose to like fish, you either like fish or you don't. It's something that wont change (probably)

You are incorrect.
A baby is a picky eater. An adult is not. A baby does not know what it wants. An adult knows. An adult knows when he has to go to the bathroom. You just crap in your pants. Grow up.

[nonethanks]

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You are incorrect.
A baby is a picky eater. An adult is not. A baby does not know what it wants. An adult knows. An adult knows when he has to go to the bathroom. You just crap in your pants. Grow up.

I know lots of picky adults, (who aren't gay).

your bathroom comment is unworthy of a serious answer so I'll just laugh: hahahahahuahuajauhaujuu

[Mad Prophet Helmholtz]

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The Gay Menace is plaguing our streets and homes and churches all across America. Everyday little children are abducted from parks and taken to underground homosexual indoctrination centers where they spend the next decade undergoing brainwashing and advanced neurolinguistic programming to turn normal heterosexual children into depraved queers. Evidence of these centers is all around us. Often times they masquerade as "YMCA" or "Cub Scout" centers. Deception and subterfuge are the hallmarks of Homosexual Agenda.

Disney movies have subliminal messages telling kids to turn gay. High School Musical movies have a hidden frequency which only kids can ear that whispers such things as "good boys do it with other boys" and "girls like the taste of wet slits".

WATCH MOVIES WITH 3D GLASSES TO SEE HIDDEN IMAGES THAT SUBCONSCIOUS BRAIN PICKS UP.No doubt 3-D craze in movies due to homosexual octopus lords entangling ignorant masses.

[nonethanks]

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The Gay Menace is plaguing our streets and homes and churches all across America. Everyday little children are abducted from parks and taken to underground homosexual indoctrination centers where they spend the next decade undergoing brainwashing and advanced neurolinguistic programming to turn normal heterosexual children into depraved queers. Evidence of these centers is all around us. Often times they masquerade as "YMCA" or "Cub Scout" centers. Deception and subterfuge are the hallmarks of Homosexual Agenda.

Disney movies have subliminal messages telling kids to turn gay. High School Musical movies have a hidden frequency which only kids can ear that whispers such things as "good boys do it with other boys" and "girls like the taste of wet slits".

WATCH MOVIES WITH 3D GLASSES TO SEE HIDDEN IMAGES THAT SUBCONSCIOUS BRAIN PICKS UP.No doubt 3-D craze in movies due to homosexual octopus lords entangling ignorant masses.

Seriously you should check that schizophrenia of yours (octopus lordS?)

I should tell you we don't need any homosexual center, there are enough natural gay people out there, besides it's impossible to change someone's sexuality.

However I do agree, Disney is far too weird in every aspect.

[Miss April]

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Seriously you should check that schizophrenia of yours (octopus lordS?)

I should tell you we don't need any homosexual center, there are enough natural gay people out there, besides it's impossible to change someone's sexuality.

However I do agree, Disney is far too weird in every aspect.

Listen here qirly Man Wonderful brother Mad Prophet Helmholtz does not need to Check anything He is right there are tons of Gay centers out there and Because of stuipd Disney kids are turning Queer like you it happens everyday

[Miss April]

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I know lots of picky adults, (who aren't gay).

your bathroom comment is unworthy of a serious answer so I'll just laugh: hahahahahuahuajauhaujuu

Your nothing but a liar since your a queer i bet you have tons of gay friends who are Picky See we True Christians can not be Fooled by you his bathroom comment was only the Truth so shut up girly man I still hope your laughing when The devil is trying to rape you with his Tailywarker

[H. Montague Worthington]

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I can't think of anything more intollerant than the politically-correct, liberal/Marxist/atheist concept of "tolerance" and "brotherly love." Where in the Bible (KJV 1611) does it say that God is tolerant of sin? That myth is the most evil and seductive lie ever perpetrated on God's creation. All evidence in the Holy Bible leads one to the exact opposite conclusion: That so-called "tolerance" is a slippery slide that will surely deposit its practictioners directly onto Satan's prickly lap!!

In order to have true mercy and tollerance in the form that God Himself values, one must be constantly vigilant against the creeping liberalism of "touchy-feely" anti-religious charlatans that preach the phony liberal gospel of so-called "permissiveness," "mercy," "understanding," and "love."

Anyone who reads the REAL Holy Bible (KJV 1611) can only come away with the conclusion that God's grace is a sadistic, deadly, and merciless expression of his loving and brutalizing wrath. My goodness, what kind of a crackpot cult are you a part of if you can't understand that God's random and excruciatingly torturous expressions of ire and irrationalism are the DEFINITION of grace and love for his creation?

If you REALLY love your fellow human beings, you should let them know--- in no uncertain terms--- of their intolerable sins against their creator. The preferred method is stoning or setting them on fire and watching them burn, possibly while stoning them at the same time. THAT is TRUE love for one's fellow man--- making them aware of their abominations to God.