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  • YesImHellbound
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    • Jun 2007
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    Why the Christian God is Impossible

    I found this article, and I am just daring all you TC's to read it. Of course, you guys will probably think of me as the devil or something, but that's your problem.

    Why the Christian God is Impossible
    by Chad Docterman

    Introduction
    Christians consider the existence of their God to be an obvious truth that no sane man could deny. I strongly disagree with this assumption not only because evidence for the existence of this presumably ubiquitous yet invisible God is lacking, but because the very nature Christians attribute to this God is self-contradictory.

    Proving a universal negative
    It is taken for granted by Christians, as well as many atheists, that a universal negative cannot be proven. In this case, that universal negative is the statement that the Christian God does not exist. One would have to have omniscience, they say, in order to prove that anything does not exist. I disagree with this position, however, because omniscience is not needed in order to prove that a thing whose nature is a self-contradiction cannot, and therefore does not exist.
    I do not need a complete knowledge of the universe to prove to you that cubic spheres do not exist. Such objects have mutually-exclusive attributes which would render their existence impossible. For example, a cube, by definition, has 8 corners, while a sphere has none. These properties are completely incompatible: they cannot be held simultaneously by the same object. It is my intent to show that the supposed properties of the Christian God Yahweh, like those of a cubic sphere, are incompatible, and by so doing, to show Yahweh's existence to be an impossibility.

    Defining YHWH
    Before we can discuss the existence of a thing, we must define it. Christians have endowed their God with all of the following attributes: He is eternal, all-powerful, and created everything. He created all the laws of nature and can change anything by an act of will. He is all-good, all-loving, and perfectly just. He is a personal God who experiences all of the emotions a human does. He is all-knowing. He sees everything past and future.
    God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity.
    These attributes of God are related by the Bible, which Christians believe to be the perfect and true Word of God.
    One verse which Christians are fond of quoting says that atheists are fools. I intend to show that the above concepts of God are completely incompatible and so reveal the impossibility of all of them being true. Who is the fool? The fool is the one who believes impossible things and calls them divine mysteries.

    Perfection seeks even more perfection
    What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete--it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.

    Perfection begets imperfection
    But, for the sake of argument, let's continue. Let us suppose that this perfect God did create the universe. Humans were the crown of his creation, since they were created in God's image and have the ability to make decisions. However, these humans spoiled the original perfection by choosing to disobey God.
    What!? If something is perfect, nothing imperfect can come from it. Someone once said that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree, and yet this "perfect" God created a "perfect" universe which was rendered imperfect by the "perfect" humans. The ultimate source of imperfection is God. What is perfect cannot become imperfect, so humans must have been created imperfect. What is perfect cannot create anything imperfect, so God must be imperfect to have created these imperfect humans. A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.

    The Freewill Argument
    The Christians' objection to this argument involves freewill. They say that a being must have freewill to be happy. The omnibenevolent God did not wish to create robots, so he gave humans freewill to enable them to experience love and happiness. But the humans used this freewill to choose evil, and introduced imperfection into God's originally perfect universe. God had no control over this decision, so the blame for our imperfect universe is on the humans, not God.
    Here is why the argument is weak. First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. The latter option is clearly superior, since perfect robots will never make decisions which could render them or their creator unhappy, whereas beings with freewill could. A perfect and omnipotent God who creates beings capable of ruining their own happiness is impossible.
    Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options.
    Third, God supposedly has freewill, and yet he does not make imperfect decisions. If humans are miniature images of God, our decisions should likewise be perfect. Also, the occupants of heaven, who presumably must have freewill to be happy, will never use that freewill to make imperfect decisions. Why would the originally perfect humans do differently?
    The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator.

    All-good God knowingly creates future suffering
    God is omniscient. When he created the universe, he saw the sufferings which humans would endure as a result of the sin of those original humans. He heard the screams of the damned. Surely he would have known that it would have been better for those humans to never have been born (in fact, the Bible says this very thing), and surely this all-compassionate deity would have foregone the creation of a universe destined to imperfection in which many of the humans were doomed to eternal suffering. A perfectly compassionate being who creates beings which he knows are doomed to suffer is impossible.

    Infinite punishment for finite sins
    God is perfectly just, and yet he sentences the imperfect humans he created to infinite suffering in hell for finite sins. Clearly, a limited offense does not warrant unlimited punishment. God's sentencing of the imperfect humans to an eternity in hell for a mere mortal lifetime of sin is infinitely more unjust than this punishment. The absurd injustice of this infinite punishment is even greater when we consider that the ultimate source of human imperfection is the God who created them. A perfectly just God who sentences his imperfect creation to infinite punishment for finite sins is impossible.

    Belief more important than action
    Consider all of the people who live in the remote regions of the world who have never even heard the "gospel" of Jesus Christ. Consider the people who have naturally adhered to the religion of their parents and nation as they had been taught to do since birth. If we are to believe the Christians, all of these people will perish in the eternal fire for not believing in Jesus. It does not matter how just, kind, and generous they have been with their fellow humans during their lifetime: if they do not accept the gospel of Jesus, they are condemned. No just God would ever judge a man by his beliefs rather than his actions.

    Perfection's imperfect revelation
    The Bible is supposedly God's perfect Word. It contains instructions to humankind for avoiding the eternal fires of hell. How wonderful and kind of this God to provide us with this means of overcoming the problems for which he is ultimately responsible! The all-powerful God could have, by a mere act of will, eliminated all of the problems we humans must endure, but instead, in his infinite wisdom, he has opted to offer this indecipherable amalgam of books which is the Bible as a means for avoiding the hell which he has prepared for us. The perfect God has decided to reveal his wishes in this imperfect work, written in the imperfect language of imperfect man, translated, copied, interpreted, voted on, and related by imperfect man. No two men will ever agree what this perfect word of God is supposed to mean, since much of it is either self- contradictory, or obscured by enigmatic symbols. And yet the perfect God expects us imperfect humans to understand this paradoxical riddle using the imperfect minds with which he has equipped us. Surely the all-wise and all-powerful God would have known that it would have been better to reveal his perfect will directly to each of us, rather than to allow it to be debased and perverted by the imperfect language and botched interpretations of man.

    Contradictory justice
    One need look to no source other than the Bible to discover its imperfections, for it contradicts itself and thus exposes its own imperfection. It contradicts itself on matters of justice, for the same just God who assures his people that sons shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers turns around and destroys an entire household for the sin of one man (he had stolen some of Yahweh's war loot). It was this same Yahweh who afflicted thousands of his innocent people with plague and death to punish their evil king David for taking a census (?!). It was this same Yahweh who allowed the humans to slaughter his son because the perfect Yahweh had botched his own creation. Consider how many have been stoned, burned, slaughtered, raped, and enslaved because of Yahweh's skewed sense of justice. The blood of innocent babies is on the perfect, just, compassionate hands of Yahweh.

    Contradictory history
    The Bible contradicts itself on matters of history. A person who reads and compares the contents of the Bible will be confused about exactly who Esau's wives were, whether Timnah was a concubine or a son, and whether Jesus' earthly lineage is through Solomon or his brother Nathan. These are but a few of hundreds of documented historical contradictions. If the Bible cannot confirm itself in mundane earthly matters, how are we to trust it on moral and spiritual matters?

    Unfulfilled prophecy
    The Bible misinterprets its own prophecies. Read Isaiah 7 and compare it to Matthew 1 to find but one of many misinterpreted prophecies of which Christians are either passively or willfully ignorant. The fulfillment of prophecy in the Bible is cited as proof of its divine inspiration, and yet here is but one major example of a prophecy whose intended meaning has been and continues to be twisted to support subsequent absurd and false doctrines. There are no ends to which the credulous will not go to support their feeble beliefs in the face of compelling evidence against them.
    The Bible is imperfect. It only takes one imperfection to destroy the supposed perfection of this alleged Word of God. Many have been found. A perfect God who reveals his perfect will in an imperfect book is impossible.

    The Omniscient changes the future
    A God who knows the future is powerless to change it. An omniscient God who is all-powerful and freewilled is impossible.

    The Omniscient is surprised
    A God who knows everything cannot have emotions. The Bible says that God experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. We humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge. A man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden. In contrast, the omniscient God is ignorant of nothing. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.
    We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible.

    The conclusion of the matter
    I have offered arguments for the impossibility, and thus the non- existence, of the Christian God Yahweh. No reasonable and freethinking individual can accept the existence of a being whose nature is so contradictory as that of Yahweh, the "perfect" creator of our imperfect universe. The existence of Yahweh is as impossible as the existence of cubic spheres or invisible pink unicorns.
    Should any Christian who reads this persist in defending these impossibilities through means of "divine transcendence" and "faith," and should any Christian continue to call me an atheist fool, I will be forced to invoke the wrath of the Invisible Pink Unicorn:
    • "You are a fool for denying the existence of the IPU. You have rejected true faith and have relied on your feeble powers of human reason and thus arrogantly denied the existence of Her Divine Transcendence, and so are you condemned."
    If such arguments are good enough for Yahweh, they are good enough for Her Invisible Pinkness.
    As for me and my house, we shall choose reality.
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  • Bobby-Joe
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    • Sep 2006
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    #2
    Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

    Friend,

    The mistake of your post is you say the contradiction is in The Bible. This is wrong if you look at it logically.

    Now consider.
    • God is perfect
    • God wrote The Bible
    • The Bible must be perfect.
    • Man is imperfect


    As you can see the only thing imperfect here is man. Therefore when you perceive contradictions and logic flaws in The Bible, it is you causing the flaw. In fact that man sees imperfection in The Bible is proof of man's imperfection.

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    • Wash O'Hanley
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      #3
      Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

      I see someone has mastered the copy/paste feature on their computer. If we don't watch out GuessImHellbound could be right clicking and even composing e-mails before we know it!
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      • Jesse
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        • Jun 2007
        • 17

        #4
        Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

        Your hostility is a little over the top don't you think?

        I thought man wrote the bible, how do you get the book of John or w/e if god wrote it?

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        • YesImHellbound
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          • Jun 2007
          • 45

          #5
          Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

          Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
          Friend,

          The mistake of your post is you say the contradiction is in The Bible. This is wrong if you look at it logically.

          Now consider.
          • God is perfect
          • God wrote The Bible
          • The Bible must be perfect.
          • Man is imperfect

          As you can see the only thing imperfect here is man. Therefore when you perceive contradictions and logic flaws in The Bible, it is you causing the flaw. In fact that man sees imperfection in The Bible is proof of man's imperfection.
          Did you read the article or no? Because basically you just brought the contradiction that is covered in one of the parts of the article I posted. And Obviously it was copy/pasted, but I did say "I found this article." I did not claim to write it, thank you.

          And as stated by the above poster, God did not write The Bible, Man did.
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          "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." ~Albert Einstein

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          • Pastor Ezekiel
            Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
             
            • Sep 2006
            • 78555

            #6
            Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

            Originally posted by Jesse View Post
            Your hostility is a little over the top don't you think?

            I thought man wrote the bible, how do you get the book of John or w/e if god wrote it?
            Originally posted by GuessImHellbound View Post
            And as stated by the above poster, God did not write The Bible, Man did.
            God wrote the Holy Bible through His servants. THIS should enable you two sissyboys to grasp the truth.

            As neither of you are anything other than unsaved scum, you have no hope of understanding the Holy Bible. You will need to repent first.
            Who Will Jesus Damn?

            Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

            Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

            Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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            • Bobby-Joe
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              #7
              Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

              Originally posted by GuessImHellbound View Post
              Did you read the article or no? Because basically you just brought the contradiction that is covered in one of the parts of the article I posted. And Obviously it was copy/pasted, but I did say "I found this article." I did not claim to write it, thank you.

              And as stated by the above poster, God did not write The Bible, Man did.
              It says God wrote The Bible right there in The Bible.

              BTW asserting God didn't write The Bible undercuts your own argument and reinforces mine.

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              • YesImHellbound
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                #8
                Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

                Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
                It says God wrote The Bible right there in The Bible.

                Where is the logic in resorting to the object in question? We state it is written by man (fact) and then you argue that IN THE BIBLE (still written by man) it says that "God wrote The Bible."

                BTW asserting God didn't write The Bible undercuts your own argument and reinforces mine.

                How so? "The Truth" is just as stated in the article:

                "The perfect God has decided to reveal his wishes in this imperfect work, written in the imperfect language of imperfect man, translated, copied, interpreted, voted on, and related by imperfect man."


                Please, you guys are so blinded by your beliefs that I often find your arguments terribly insufficient because you call upon the book in question for your "truths" to defend said book. All replies to this article reveal how your True Christian God does not exist, and you guys can't accept it. Muahahaha...ahem
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                • Wash O'Hanley
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                  #9
                  Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

                  Where is the logic in resorting to the object in question? We state it is written by man (fact) and then you argue that IN THE BIBLE (still written by man) it says that "God wrote The Bible."


                  Man wrote the Bible in the same sense that you wrote the original post in this topic. God is the true author, those that scribed the Bible were merely taking dictation from HIM.
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                  • YesImHellbound
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                    #10
                    Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

                    Originally posted by Wash O'Hanley View Post
                    [/color][/i]Man wrote the Bible in the same sense that you wrote the original post in this topic. God is the true author, those that scribed the Bible were merely taking dictation from HIM.
                    And how do you know this? Other than yet again calling upon The Bible, how do you know? You cannot know, you can blindly believe that God supposedly wrote The Bible, but yet again "The perfect God has decided to reveal his wishes in this imperfect work, written in the imperfect language of imperfect man, translated, copied, interpreted, voted on, and related by imperfect man."
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                    • Pastor Ezekiel
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                      • Sep 2006
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                      #11
                      Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

                      Originally posted by GuessImHellbound View Post
                      And how do you know this? Other than yet again calling upon The Bible, how do you know? You cannot know, you can blindly believe that God supposedly wrote The Bible, but yet again "The perfect God has decided to reveal his wishes in this imperfect work, written in the imperfect language of imperfect man, translated, copied, interpreted, voted on, and related by imperfect man."
                      This is typical relativist claptrap. Do know how ridiculous you sound? How childish?

                      "You can't "PROOOOOVE" it enough for me! No matter what you say I'll keep right on coming back with my favorite mantra "PROOOOOOVE it! PROOOOOOVE it!"

                      You can't prove to me that you aren't a giraffe.

                      You are right to be suspicious about fallible people. But God really is omnipotent, so there is no reason why He cannot use fallible people to carry out His plans—including plans to reveal Himself when and to whom He desires.

                      God does not promise to prove Himself unequivocally to those who believe that He is a “twisted monster” like you, but to those who approach Him in humility. Jesus didn't die for unsaved heathens like you. He died for those that BELIEVE.

                      For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

                      It may be a good idea to think about your own fallibility as a judge in these things. God may have sent you a delusion already, fool.

                      God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.--2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

                      In any event, you are in no position to judge God.
                      Who Will Jesus Damn?

                      Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                      Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                      Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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                      • YesImHellbound
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                        #12
                        Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

                        Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                        This is typical relativist claptrap. Do know how ridiculous you sound? How childish?

                        How am I being childish. You are the one who believes so blindly, naive like a child.

                        "You can't "PROOOOOVE" it enough for me! No matter what you say I'll keep right on coming back with my favorite mantra "PROOOOOOVE it! PROOOOOOVE it!"

                        But you haven't even attempted at proving it at all. This is the type of response I expected to get, since you clearly realized you could not argue effectively against the article I presented, which used your book, and your beliefs against you.

                        You can't prove to me that you aren't a giraffe.

                        Well, what do you mean? Do you mean that like Descartes said "I think therefore I am" and hence you can not know if anyone besides yourself even exists at all? If so then I can only provide evidence that I am not a giraffe. Now if you didn't mean such things, then I could easily say "I am typing on this computer, which a giraffe cannot do." And I would have to say I feel sorry for you if you can't fight the article provided to you by a "giraffe."

                        You are right to be suspicious about fallible people. But God really is omnipotent, so there is no reason why He cannot use fallible people to carry out His plans—including plans to reveal Himself when and to whom He desires.

                        Reread the article, I posted it to get reasonable responses. Yet all you have done is reinforce the definition given of God in the article, and thus the article itself.

                        God does not promise to prove Himself unequivocally to those who believe that He is a “twisted monster” like you, but to those who approach Him in humility. Jesus didn't die for unsaved heathens like you. He died for those that BELIEVE.

                        I apologize, but does that not seem just a little too convenient? Besides the fact that when I was Christian (raised that way) and I did believe, God still did not prove Himself to me. Naturally, when I finally could see for myself, I started questioning Him. The Bible is so self-contradictory, and you True Christians are such radicals that you are creating more racism and more hate than what was already needed to be removed.

                        As for me believing that "He is a 'twisted monster'" this is completely untrue seeing as I am an atheist and thus do not believe in the existence of any gods.

                        For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

                        It may be a good idea to think about your own fallibility as a judge in these things. God may have sent you a delusion already, fool.

                        God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.--2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

                        In any event, you are in no position to judge God.
                        I can judge your Christian God if I so please, since I do not even believe in his existence. As a person who has always had a pathological need to understand the 'why' behind ideas, I will always choose secular knowledge over blind faith.
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                        • Wash O'Hanley
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                          #13
                          Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

                          And if I close my eyes you go invisible!
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                          • Bobby-Joe
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                            #14
                            Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

                            Originally posted by Wash O'Hanley View Post
                            And if I close my eyes you go invisible!
                            Wash,
                            Yet again you show why you are Right's Master Debater. In one elegant sentence you smash GuessImHellbound's argument to pieces. Game set and match. It really is an honer seeing a pro in action.

                            GuessImHellbound,
                            Be a good sport now and congratulate Wash on a clean win.

                            Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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                            • Wash O'Hanley
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                              #15
                              Re: Why the Christian God is Impossible

                              I'm not holding my breath for that congratulations, Bobby, the manner in which these sinners conduct themselves is so shocking that it would be considered grotesque even within a whorehouse. Of course I don't consider this to be one of my greater debate victories as proving wrong a sinner and obvious threat to society like GuessImHellbound is about as difficult as spotting a couple of Mexicans sitting in the front row at Landover. This fool's argument was so full of holes I could have driven a semi-truck hauling a trailer with Rosie O'Donald inside through them. My bet is that GuessImHellBound will snort a line of Columbian nose candy off the butt of a Thai she-male prostitute and then log back in here to enlighten us on how a religion that 100% of my listeners worship is wrong.
                              Last edited by Wash O'Hanley; 06-10-2007, 07:56 AM.
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