Hello!

[Evelyn the Papist]

Greetings from America! My name is Evelyn, though my username is General E. Specific. I am 15 years old, and a cradle Catholic. I'm here to learn a bit more about the baptist faith, and to see other people's opinions of Catholic docterine. I'm very happy to be here, and hope I can learn a thing or two!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Catholics aren't Christians.

[Evelyn the Papist]

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Yeah, I've read that post before, and I'm sorry to say that I don't believe it has sufficient proof. Of course, I don't want to get into an argument over that now, but either way I'm glad to be here.

[Witch Hammer]

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Yeah, I've read that post before, and I'm sorry to say that I don't believe it has sufficient proof. Of course, I don't want to get into an argument over that now, but either way I'm glad to be here.

Who are you to dictate terms, heretic?

[Des]

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and I'm sorry to say that I don't believe it has sufficient proof.

So, quotes taken directly from the Bible aren't sufficient proof for you? Well, that alone is sufficient proof you aren't a Christian.

[Evelyn the Papist]

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I was saying that those specific verses don't work with the proof. It's like using the verse in my signature to prove that Jesus rose from the dead (I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just saying that you're using the wrong verse). Along with that, I'd like to ask a question of you: Is this really how Baptists behave? Calling people scum and curry-eating demons? Is that what Jesus would call a "lost soul" like us, or would he instead inform us of our faults and treat the sinners with kindness?

[Witch Hammer]

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I was saying that those specific verses don't work with the proof. It's like using the verse in my signature to prove that Jesus rose from the dead (I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just saying that you're using the wrong verse). Along with that, I'd like to ask a question of you: Is this really how Baptists behave? Calling people scum and curry-eating demons? Is that what Jesus would call a "lost soul" like us, or would he instead inform us of our faults and treat the sinners with kindness?

We're all used to spoonfeeding scripture to stupid women, so no need to thank me for this:
Jesus Did NOT mince words with idiots & sinners!...and neither do we!

[Des]

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I was saying that those specific verses don't work with the proof. It's like using the verse in my signature to prove that Jesus rose from the dead (I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just saying that you're using the wrong verse).

How is a Biblical quote that very clearly and specifically forbids making, praying to, or bowing before idols the 'wrong verse' for proving Catholics are not Christian?

Along with that, I'd like to ask a question of you: Is this really how Baptists behave? Calling people scum and curry-eating demons? Is that what Jesus would call a "lost soul" like us, or would he instead inform us of our faults and treat the sinners with kindness?

OK, you've obviously never read the Bible if you are implying Jesus was nice and polite to sinners.

[Evelyn the Papist]

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There's a difference between telling someone the unfortunate truth and just being mean. I know Jesus was stern with them, that's not what I'm implying. I'm saying theres a difference:

-heritic: sad truth (I don't believe I am one, but that's not my point)

-curry-eating deamon: Just plain mean, Jesus called names when it was needed, not to simply be rude!


And just for your information, we do NOT worship the saints. We view them as people who have lived good and godly lives and are to be followed as an example. We ask for them to pray for us (because they are closer to god than we are currently), which is another concept entirely. We also don't worship Mary, we view her as the wonderful woman who said yes to God and a powerful, loving saint in heaven who is especially close to God. We do not pray to, we ask for their prayers!

And "stupid women", huh? I don't think Jesus viewed women that way:

"Luke wrote about the mob that herded Jesus toward Golgotha. The "daughters of Jerusalem" followed Him and wept for Him as they made their way down the Via Dolorosa (The Street of Sorrows; Luke 23:27—29)."

"This woman is worth far more than any animal you have. This woman is not an animal; she is a ‘daughter of Abraham’ " (Luke 13:16).

“I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?” (John 11:25-26) These remarkable words were spoken to a woman!*

And, in your own words: "So, quotes taken directly from the Bible aren't sufficient proof for you? Well, that alone is sufficient proof you aren't a Christian."

[Didymus Much]

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...We ask for them to pray for us (because they are closer to god than we are currently)...

Wow, you have drank the Romish koolaid, huh?

Biblical proof that ANYONE has gone to Heaven (aside from Lazarus, Enoch, and Jesus [He doesn't really count, tho, He lives there])?

Think: if everyone goes to Heaven (or Hell) when they die, why does Revelation say that the Judgement happens after Christ's return?

[Evelyn the Papist]

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We judge saints as good examples because it is reasonable to assume so. We judge them as role models because of their godly habits and virtue, and because of these things it is reasonable to assume that they would go to heaven, and therefore be decent models. Do you have no response to the other parts of my post?

[Jim Farmer]

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I think we should go easy on this one. After all, she's only 15 and still a child. A brainwashed child. Soon, she'll start thinking for herself, and realise that all she's been told in papist masses and papist schools is wrong. After all, she's come to this forum seeking the truth. So there is hope for her yet.

[Didymus Much]

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We judge saints as good examples because we've been brainwashed to believe it is reasonable to assume so. We judge them as role models because of what we've been told by people who would never, ever, lie (the Vatican!!! srsly??!) are their godly habits and virtue, and because of these things we've been brainwashed to believe it is reasonable to assume that they would go to heaven, and therefore be decent models...

FTFY.

The entire concept of "saints" (as Catholics view them) has NO Biblical foundation.

The idea that people are in Heaven now (aside from a handpicked very few, such as Lazarus [not the raised-from-the-dead Lazarus, the rich-man/poor-man parable Lazarus] and Enoch) has NO Biblical foundation. How does anyone get into Heaven before the Judgement??

[Pim Pendergast]

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And just for your information, we do NOT worship the saints. We view them as people who have lived good and godly lives and are to be followed as an example. We ask for them to pray for us.

Jesus told us we could pray to directly to Him.

Jn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Jn 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Then He told us we could pray directly to the Father.

Jn 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
[. . .]
Jn 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Jn 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

However, Jesus does still have an intercessory role in heaven, but whatever that role is, it obviously doesn't involve passing our prayers on.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

The Holy Spirit, however, prays on our behalf because we don't know what we should pray for in the first place, even though Jesus Himself taught us twice (Mat 6:9-13; Lk 11:2-4).

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

We don't need to pray to saints to pray for us. That's a very roundabout way of doing things. God prefers a much more direct approach.

And "stupid women", huh? I don't think Jesus viewed women that way.

Here's another example of how Jesus spoke to a woman.

Mat 15:22-26
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

We judge saints as good examples because it is reasonable to assume so.

The fewer assumptions you make, the less likely you are to be wrong.

[Jim Farmer]

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What is the rosary all about?

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed are you among all women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus, Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death.

How many times in your short life have you repeated these words?
In direct conflict with Matthew 6:7. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
And they tell you that reciting that rubbish will save your soul? Ha - it will condemn you to Hell, because it's directly against what Jesus said. Think about that.

Mary was a sinner like everyone else (Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;). She was not a perpetual virgin (Matthew 13:55-56 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?), was not immaculately conceived, wasn't bodily assumed into Heaven (Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:), and she doesn't intercede on our behalf (1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus).

It was Pius IX who declared the immaculate conception in 1854 (only 160 years ago).

We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.

What? Where did God reveal this? Certainly not in the Bible, and if it were the case, He surely would have. No, Pius made it up. Because for 1,850 years, she was not born of immaculate conception.