[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

He could also snap His fingers and heal all children suffering in children's hospitals but has not.

Our Lord has good reasons for everything he does. Sometimes a child dies, because Lord wants child's parents to find a way to Eternal Life in Heaven. Even things that look stupid for us are part of Lord's Great Plan. For example - you. You are clear sign for me to try harder to get out of ordinary life. Sign for me to work harder, so that one day I could be a True Christian.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Sovereign Election

Because I love Sovereign Election, my favorite verse is Rom 9:13


Before the earth was created God loved some babies and hated other babies.


Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.


Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


Rom_5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

3:6 No one who abides … sins. Like the phrase "practices sin" of verse 4, the sense conveyed here is the idea of habitual, constant sinning. No one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. If no check against habitual sin exists in someone who professes to be a Christian, John’s pronouncement is absolutely clear—salvation never took place.

Stop trying to interpret the Bible and simply obey it.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

That's not what the Holy Word of God says.








That's not what the Holy Word of God says.



Has Heaven and earth passed, friend?

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

3:6 No one who abides … sins. Like the phrase "practices sin" of verse 4, the sense conveyed here is the idea of habitual, constant sinning. No one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. If no check against habitual sin exists in someone who professes to be a Christian, John’s pronouncement is absolutely clear—salvation never took place.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

How many murders does a murderer half to commit to be a murderer?


How many lies does a person need to tell before he is labled a liar?


We ALL have told many lies.


Translation: We are ALL liars.

Friend, the Bible tells as (and if the Bible says so, it is Gods Word) that murder for Him is not the same as what is known as murder by secularists.

You are not a bright whatever, are you?

A True Christian™ never lies. We follow and do as the Bible tells us to do. If you think we did something wrong, then you are accusing God of being a liar. Do you really want to travel down that doomed road to Hell?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Speak for yourself, son. I'm no more a liar than Christ Himself, whose very Spirit animates my body, my tongue (1 Corinthians 6:19). I have become a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17), not one governed by the flesh, but one born of the Spirit (John 3:6). You really have this thing about being a disgusting, revolting creature. Are you the subservient in the bedroom, too? Does Mrs. William discipline you when you are a naughty, naughty boy?

How long can you go without sinning?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

I have shown you where that is not what God says. It is what you say. What you say is the opposite of what God says. And God even explains why (check out the perfect tense concerning our regeneration and the present indicative as regards the propensity to sin: it does not exist, we do not sin)

ἸΩΑΝΝΟΥ Α
Οἰδαμεν ὁτι πας ὁ γεγεννημενος ἐκ του Θεου οὐχ ἁμαρτανει ἀλλ’ ὁ γεννηθεις ἐκ του Θεου τηρει αὐτον, και ὁ πονηρος οὐχ ἁπτεται αὐτου.

You are directly contradicting god. Therefore I will refer you to verse 10 from the same chapter [5]:

Ὁ πιστευων εἰς τον υἱον του θεου ἐχει την μαρτυριαν ἐν αὐτῳ, ὁ μη πιστευων τῳ θεῳ ψευστην πεποιηκεν αὐτον, ὁτι οὐ πεπιστευκεν εἰς την μαρτυριαν ἡν μεμαρτυρηκεν ὁ θεος περι του υἱου αὐτου.

You are calling God a liar and wilfully; numerous passages have been posted for you and you have ignored them all. Please explain exactly how you arrive at your position (checking I John 5:18 [above] might help).

How long can you go without sin?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Friend, the Bible tells as (and if the Bible says so, it is Gods Word) that murder for Him is not the same as what is known as murder by secularists.

You are not a bright whatever, are you?

A True Christian™ never lies. We follow and do as the Bible tells us to do. If you think we did something wrong, then you are accusing God of being a liar. Do you really want to travel down that doomed road to Hell?

LOL you are living in a fantasy world, we are ALL liars, but Christians are new creatures and don't sin habitually, but we all sin, if you say no you have sinned.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Bobby, you ask everyone the same question. Though you left me out and I do feel a bit miffed.
However, I think I'll let God respond for the weaker minded part of the congregation, while they are often capable of speaking (cackling it sounds like a lot of the time, LOL), I am a man after all and as such, must lead them.

First - All have sinned / we are all sinners/ total depravity
Genesis 8:21And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

1st Kings 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2nd Chronicles 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Romans 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Romans 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Romans 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Romans 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hebrews 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart ); and they have not known my ways. They shall not enter into my rest.

In context actually even better.

Quote:
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren,lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.


James 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

(Further elaboration in verses 13-17)

1st John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1st John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1st John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Second - Once we are saved we are sin-free
Psalm 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalm 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psalm 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
(Jesus took the sin away from the sinner instead of casting the first stone)

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

You invited us to study God's Inerrant Word. Any response to what it actually says, without cherry picking?

Do you have a specific subject for me with a question?

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

I am not of the Devil.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I am re-born of God.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You, Mr. Sinner admit that you sin. See for yourself what that means. You are also making hasty generalizations. You are taking your own corrupt state and obsessively projecting it unto others. You're outsourcing your inner turmoil. It is understandable but also sad. It's time for you to cast out some beams. While you are trying to take us down into the whirlpool of sin with you, we are trying to persuade you to ascend with us.

Your question is a lame trick to trap someone in a debate. You think you are having a game of wits. That won't serve you when it comes down to the ultimate choice.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Also, Bobbie, I was thinking earlier to day about a comment you made. I was giving the children their daily inspection for cleanliness and purity and as always is the case, a couple acted out and the rod had to be used.
All children are the devils playground until they are of sufficient age to by free will, make the conscious choice to give up their evil ways and become Baptized and a Christian. While I was striking one of my children, I realized that they all must have demons in them and all the evil that they do is the work of the Devil. So being bad is not thier fault, poor little dears. All I can do is my responsibilities as a father and pray they chose to be Christians and not queers.

I found the following to be comforting. I hope you will too.
Ephesians 6:11-12
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Bobby, you ask everyone the same question. Though you left me out and I do feel a bit miffed.
However, I think I'll let God respond for the weaker minded part of the congregation, while they are often capable of speaking (cackling it sounds like a lot of the time, LOL), I am a man after all and as such, must lead them.

First - All have sinned / we are all sinners/ total depravity
Genesis 8:21And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

1st Kings 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2nd Chronicles 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Romans 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Romans 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Romans 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Romans 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hebrews 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart ); and they have not known my ways. They shall not enter into my rest.

In context actually even better.

Quote:
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren,lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.


James 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

(Further elaboration in verses 13-17)

1st John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1st John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1st John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Second - Once we are saved we are sin-free
Psalm 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalm 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psalm 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
(Jesus took the sin away from the sinner instead of casting the first stone)

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Thanks, and great scriptures.


I fully agree that the Christians sins are not counted against them, but that's only because of the blood of the Lamb, they are still sinners, a person who sins is a sinner, right. Christians strive to be perfect and walk in His perfect will 24/7, but they still sin.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Thanks, and great scriptures.


I fully agree that the Christians sins are not counted against them, but that's only because of the blood of the Lamb, they are still sinners, a person who sins is a sinner, right. Christians strive to be perfect and walk in His perfect will 24/7, but they still sin.

You are welcome. Buy you needn't thank me. Thank God.

Though you missed 1/2 of the lesson Jesus shared with us. Once Saved and living by His Perfect Word, a person is no longer a sinner and is incapable of sinning. In essence, a True Christian™ can do no wrong. Man is born chock full of sin (see my posts regarding children) however, by the Blood of the Lamb© all the sins may be removed from the soul and that man becomes sin free.
If a man lives by the Word of God, by definition he is free of all sins.
1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Hebrews 9:12 - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Also, Bobbie, I was thinking earlier to day about a comment you made. I was giving the children their daily inspection for cleanliness and purity and as always is the case, a couple acted out and the rod had to be used.
All children are the devils playground until they are of sufficient age to by free will, make the conscious choice to give up their evil ways and become Baptized and a Christian. While I was striking one of my children, I realized that they all must have demons in them and all the evil that they do is the work of the Devil. So being bad is not thier fault, poor little dears. All I can do is my responsibilities as a father and pray they chose to be Christians and not queers.

I found the following to be comforting. I hope you will too.
Ephesians 6:11-12
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

queers LOL Most don't want their kids to be perverts.


You are right, spare the rod and spoil the child, the following scriptures describes all who are not born from above.


Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.