[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

queers LOL Most don't want their kids to be perverts.


You are right, spare the rod and spoil the child, the following scriptures describes all who are not born from above.


Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Sadly, the Gaysexual agenda has a powerful network of sexual terrorists across the world. They poison our precious fluids with excretions of gaydoom. It is only through extreme vigilance and strength along with the powers of God Almighty that we can keep the beast at bay.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

I am not of the Devil.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I am re-born of God.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You, Mr. Sinner admit that you sin. See for yourself what that means. You are also making hasty generalizations. You are taking your own corrupt state and obsessively projecting it unto others. You're outsourcing your inner turmoil. It is understandable but also sad. It's time for you to cast out some beams. While you are trying to take us down into the whirlpool of sin with you, we are trying to persuade you to ascend with us.

Your question is a lame trick to trap someone in a debate. You think you are having a game of wits. That won't serve you when it comes down to the ultimate choice.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Elmer, how long have gone without sin since you were born again?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Sadly, the Gaysexual agenda has a powerful network of sexual terrorists across the world. They poison our precious fluids with excretions of gaydoom. It is only through extreme vigilance and strength along with the powers of God Almighty that we can keep the beast at bay.

Amen, homosexuality is also dangerous to society, but we don't hear that on the news or the politically correct.




by Matt Slick


Is homosexuality dangerous to society? The answer dependson what constitutes a danger. First of all, there is no objective moralstandard that secularists have with which to identify wickedness, evil, andmoral decay. At best, all that can be offered is the generic claim thatwhat is dangerous is what causes undue harm and suffering among the generalpopulation. Such dangers could include economic collapse or upheaval,war, famine, plague, earthquakes, disease, etc. We could add that dangersto society are things that weaken it, make it less viable to care for itspopulation, make it vulnerable to attack from outside and/or within. Thiscould be anything from bad religion to bad government. Also, such thingsas rampant lying, stealing, and murder would seriously undermine a healthysociety and be dangerous to it since they increase the harm and suffering ofthe society as a whole.


Okay, so now that we have something to work with, let's take alook at homosexuality and see if it is beneficial or harmful to society. Let's start with disease and see what the statistics teach us.


Disease

• 2% of U.S. population is gay yet it accounts for 61% of HIVinfection: "Men whohave sex with men [MSM] remain the group most heavily affected by new HIVinfections. While the CDC estimates that MSM represent only 2 percent of theU.S. population, they accounted for the majority (61 percent; 29,300) of allnew HIV infections in 2009. Young MSM (ages 13 to 29) were most severelyaffected, representing more than one quarter of all new HIV infectionsnationally (27 percent; 12,900 in 2009)." (Center for DiseaseControl, cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/HIVIncidencePressRelease.html)
• "A recent CDC study found that in 2008 one in five (19%)MSM in 21 major US cities were infected with HIV, and nearly half (44%) wereunaware of their infection."(http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm).
• 25% of HIV infected in U.K. unaware of their infection: "Of theestimated 86,500 people living with HIV in the United Kingdom, about 25percent are not aware they are infected, the Health Protection Agency saidrecently." (The Body, thebody.com/content/art59714.html)
  Clearly, the disease statistics related to a homosexuallifestyle prove that such a lifestyle is harmful not only to themselves butalso to others, especially when you note that in both the U.S. and U.K. largepercentages of HIV infected people don't know they are infected. This isa danger to society since it supports the spread of disease on a large scale.
  Financial Impact

• $12.1 Billion annual cost in US: "Future treatment for the 40,000people infected with HIV in the United States every year will cost $12.1billion annually, a new study showed."(msnbc.msn.com/id/15528984/ns/health-aids/t/new-us-hiv-cases-cost-billion-year/)
• $1.5 Billion Cost for 2001 in Canada: "June 2001, Halifax, NovaScotia--HIV/AIDS cost Canadians more than $2 billion in 1999 in directand indirect costs. Health care costs accounted for about $560 million;prevention, research and supports to AIDS victims for about $40 million; andlost economic production due to premature death and disability for nearly $1.5billion." (gpiatlantic.org/releases/pr_cost_aids.htm)
  The financial drain on society due to the medical costs of HIVis huge. The greater the impact, the more damage it does to the society'sfinancial stability.
  Mental Health
  How is the mental health of homosexuals and lesbians? Doesit have the same bell-curve as the rest of society? No, it doesnot. Take a look at these statistics and note that the mental healthissues are not due to social pressure and rejection by the majority of societywho considers homosexuality to be aberrant.

• " . . . homosexuals are about 50% more likely to sufferfrom depression and engage in substance abuse than the rest of the population,reports Health24.com . . . the risk of suicide jumped over 200% if anindividual had engaged in a homosexual lifestyle . . . the lifespan of ahomosexual is on average 24 years shorter than that of a heterosexual . . .While the Health 24 article suggested that homosexuals may be pushed tosubstance abuse and suicide because of anti-homosexual cultural and familypressures, empirical tests have shown that there is no difference inhomosexual health risk depending on the level of tolerance in a particularenvironment. Homosexuals in the United States and Denmark--the latter ofwhich is acknowledged to be highly tolerant of homosexuality--both die onaverage in their early 50's, or in their 40's if AIDS is the cause of death.The average age for all residents in either country ranges from themid-to-upper-70s." (onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=255614)
• 73% of the psychiatrists in the American Psychiatric Associationwho responded to a survey by Harold I. Lief said that they thought thathomosexual men are less happy than others. 70% percent said they believed that thehomosexuals' problems were due more to personal conflicts than to socialstigmatization. Study by Harold I. Lief, Sexual Survey Number 4: CurrentThinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality 2 (1977),pp.110-111 (Cited in Growing Up Straight by George A. Reker)."(exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
  Sexual Molestation

• Higher sexual molestation with homosexual parents: “Adisproportionate percentage--29--percent--of the adult children of homosexualparents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by thathomosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children ofheterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent. . . .Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with aparent by a factor of about 50.” (P. Cameron and K. Cameron,"Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772" (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php).
  Certainly, no one wants children molested by adults. (Unfortunately, pedophilia is now being pushed as another 'sexual orientation'see http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517). Society needs toprotect its children--not subject them to sexual pressures andmolestation. However, the homosexual lifestyle clearly presents anincreased threat to our children.
  Sexual Promiscuity
  Sexual promiscuity helps support the spread of disease. What are the promiscuity statistics of the homosexual community? Shockingly bad!

• 28% of homosexual men had more than 1000 partners: "Bell andWeinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexualmen. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or morepartners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308."(exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
• Low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexuals. "There isan extremely low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexual men as compared tomarried heterosexuals. Among married females 85% reported sexualfidelity. Among married men, 75.5% reported sexual fidelity. Among homosexualmales in their current relationship, 4.5% reported sexual fidelity. (Sources:Laumann, The Social Organization of Sexuality, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, TheMale Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253; Wiederman,"Extramarital Sex," 170. This is extracted fromhttp://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02)
  Does anyone think that such mind-blowing promiscuity is healthyfor any society, especially when the homosexual community is particularly subjectto HIV infection? Homosexuals are members of society; and their behavior,which is a manifestation of their "orientation," is extremelydangerous.
  Death of a society
  If we produce no children, our society will die. Therewon't be enough people to support the infrastructure, medical needs, economicdevelopment, etc. That is a fact. So, common sense would tell usthat homosexuality is a danger to society since it cannot produce children tofurther the society.
  Opening the door wide
  Homosexuality is a behavior that is based, as many claim, on anorientation. What about other sexual orientations such as pedophilia,voyeurism, necrophilia, bestiality, polygamy, incest, exhibitionism, fetishes,frotterism, masochism, sadism, etc.? The arguments for and against theseother "orientations" are many, and we won't go into them here. But, who is to say that those who fall into these sexual categories won't usethe homosexual agenda's orientation argument as a basis to further their own causes? If you think this is a ridiculous idea, then you are not aware of the fact thatpedophiles are doing just that. See the article "Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals." Muslimspractice polygamy, and they are increasing in America. Mormons havepracticed it in the past, and who is to say they won't get another revelationdeclaring that it is permissible again once the homosexual movement and itsredefinition of marriage is ingrained in society? Incest is sure tofollow (See the article "Rick Santorum was right about Incest and theSlippery Slope )." The slippery slope is exactly the issue. Once sexual morays are loosed, marriage definitions and fidelity are loosened,too. Nothing happens in a society by itself since their intertwiningsocial strings have collateral effects.
  Conclusion
  So, is homosexuality dangerous to society? The facts showthat it is. We have to ask, why then would it be promoted so heavily whenit is so harmful? The only answer I can come up with (aside from abiblical one) is that the politically correct don't care about the facts. Instead, they want their agenda promoted. They want their sexual freedomwithout responsibility. They, like so many tyrants in history, want toforce their minority opinion on the majority to satisfy their own appetites.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Elmer, how long have gone without sin since you were born again?

Billy, that is a (excuse me for being so blunt) stupid post. Obviously, because Elmer is a True Christian(tm), he has been without sin since he became a Christian.

There used to be a catchy jingle on the raido, something about '...you cannot have one without the o-o-other'. Being Christian is just like that.

So the answer to your question is his entire life because being Christian is a rebirth, a day zero if you will.

Have you ever really read the Bible? I ask because your comments are so devoid of knowledge. Reminds of this deaf guy down at the general store. He has nary a clue of what anyone says. He just nods and occasionally yells gibberish. Last I heard, he was crossing Rt. 29 and a guy yelled at him to watch out for the semi coming. The idiot just failed to pay attention.

[John Creeser]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

I fully agree that the Christians sins are not counted against them, but that's only because of the blood of the Lamb, they are still sinners, a person who sins is a sinner, right. Christians strive to be perfect and walk in His perfect will 24/7, but they still sin.

Yeah, yeah....we ALL sin from time to time, what's your point?. The good news is you can be forgiven for 99% of them. For instance, Jeff Dahmer is sitting at the right hand of Jesus Himself after repenting and becoming a born again True Christian™.

However, there is one sin that Jesus will drop kick you straight to hell for.

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Look, I had a wet dream once. Just follow the rituals and all is good!!

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Thanks, and great scriptures.


I fully agree that the Christians sins are not counted against them, but that's only because of the blood of the Lamb, they are still sinners, a person who sins is a sinner, right. Christians strive to be perfect and walk in His perfect will 24/7, but they still sin.

If a man sins, then he has let the wicked one guide him. True Christians(tm) are impervious to the adversary's wily ways, and so are impervious to any temptation for sin (1st John 5:18). As you continue to sin yourself, you continue to rationalize it. Your soul is telling you the reason even as you continue to silence it. It is absolutely clear—salvation never took place. I'm sorry dear, but you are one of the Spiritually Walking Dead. Your very eternal well-being will depend on whether or not you open your heart to what the Holy Word of God actually says, or if you will continue listening to your own arguments, arguments that sound logical to your deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9).

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Do you have a specific subject for me with a question?

No. You're the one calling God a liar and I posted two passages according to your suggestion:

What falshoods, it's a sin to bear false witness.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ thankfully we can go to the Hebrew and the Greek to correct the errors.

The first showed that Christians do not sin at all. Not “cannot sin..[except Thursdays]” or “cannot sin..[but for no more than 3 months in one stretch]”.

The second demonstrated how persons contradicting God, as you do and you ignore anything posted on that subject preferring a Gish gallop of red herrings which—as you are discovering—won't work, are a particular category of liar. You do not have the witness of God in yourself (because you contradict Him) and because you disbelieve the record He has given us you have no choice but to declare God and therefore Jesus to be Liars. They are not liars. If you responded I might ask you why your view was as it is, but you have not responded.

Hence no question.

I John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. KJV

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Billy, that is a (excuse me for being so blunt) stupid post. Obviously, is Elmer is a True Christian(mt), he has been without sin since he became a Christian.

There used to be a catchy jingle on the raido, something about '...you cannot have one without the o-o-other'. Being Christian is just like that.

So the answer to your question is his entire life because being Christian is a rebirth, a day zero if you will.

Have you ever really read the Bible? I ask because your comments are so devoid of knowledge. Reminds of this deaf guy down at the general store. He has nary a clue of what anyone says. He just nods and occasionally yells gibberish. Last I heard, he was crossing Rt. 29 and a guy yelled at him to watch out for the semi coming. The idiot just failed to pay attention.

Then let Elmer answer, also, would Elmer let me question his wife for about a half an hour to see if he has sinned since he was born again.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Yeah, yeah....we ALL sin from time to time, what's your point?. The good news is you can be forgiven for 99% of them. For instance, Jeff Dahmer is sitting at the right hand of Jesus Himself after repenting and becoming a born again True Christian™.

However, there is one send that Jesus will drop kick you straight to hell for.

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Look, I had a wet dream once. Just follow the rituals and all is good!!

Howdy John, then you admit that you cannot be perfect 24/7. Admit it it's more than wet dreams, when we drop this body of sin then we will be sinless, not before.
John, this is why we need a Savior.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Then let Elmer answer, also, would Elmer let me question his wife for about a half an hour to see if he has sinned since he was born again.

I would advise against telling any True Christian™ what to do.

This will be your only warning about that.



Also, any further sexual advances toward ANYONE'S spouse, male or female, by you will not be tolerated. Keep it in your pants, weirdo.

YiC,

Zech

[Russell Holbeck]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Howdy John, then you admit that you cannot be perfect 24/7. Admit it it's more than wet dreams, when we drop this body of sin then we will be sinless, not before.
John, this is why we need a Savior.

Hello Robert William.

You should call Mr. Creeser Mr. Creeser or John Creeser you do not know him you are acting too familiar with people that does not end well why do you have two first names.

Thank you.

Rusty

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Then let Elmer answer, also, would Elmer let me question his wife for about a half an hour to see if he has sinned since he was born again.

I am sure he will the next time he gets to the online Church.
I do not quite understand why you feel the need for a 30 minute interrogation of his wife though I'll just have to wait and see what Elmer thinks.

My wife, Mrs. Hutchins is not allowed to use most electrical devices. She is rather incompetent at everything but providing Sons for Christ. Well that and cleaning, cooking tending to the animals in the barn, ironing and other mindless busy work. If anyone wants to know what she is thinking, they simply have to ask me. Questions confuse her.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Howdy John, then you admit that you cannot be perfect 24/7. Admit it it's more than wet dreams, when we drop this body of sin then we will be sinless, not before.
John, this is why we need a Savior.

Another crazy comment from you. I think the 25 hours of dark is getting to you.
Only God is Perfect.
No True Christian has 'Wet Dreams'. Though old man Hatchett does sort of but they put him in a kind of rubber pant so the bed does not soil. The stench though, still lingers.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Sadly, the Gaysexual agenda has a powerful network of sexual terrorists across the world. They poison our precious fluids with excretions of gaydoom. It is only through extreme vigilance and strength along with the powers of God Almighty that we can keep the beast at bay.

James, can you believe I received an infraction for posting statistics about Homosexuality.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

I am sure he will the next time he gets to the online Church.
I do not quite understand why you feel the need for a 30 minute interrogation of his wife though I'll just have to wait and see what Elmer thinks.

My wife, Mrs. Hutchins is not allowed to use most electrical devices. She is rather incompetent at everything but providing Sons for Christ. Well that and cleaning, cooking tending to the animals in the barn, ironing and other mindless busy work. If anyone wants to know what she is thinking, they simply have to ask me. Questions confuse her.

The wife knows the truth.