[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Peace

That is a very good question, the Quran only premits self defense. Terrorists often times like to twist things for the evil propoganda, it happens all the time, people falsely attribute violence to God.

Not all muslims are like this, if you ever meet a muslim in real life, you will most likely see they are just as normal as you and I.

About angry, the Quran states to always give a nicer response. The Prophet frowned upon talking in a angry way.
"They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people."-Quran

Remember dont judge the religon on people.

It sounds to me like you're some sort of "salad bar" Muslim. You pick and choose the verses you like, and ignore the commands to destroy the infidels.

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

It sounds to me like you're some sort of "salad bar" Muslim. You pick and choose the verses you like, and ignore the commands to destroy the infidels.

Post these commands please

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Peace

Post these commands please

Here are a sampling from http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/koran.html

"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given ...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)

Correction, the arabic word means submission, so when translated, "The only true faith in the sight of God, is submission to God" Christians would be included.

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

What are horrible translation:
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.
[2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.
[2:192] If they refrain, You refrain, because GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

Again the translation, it says dont take them to be your GAURDIAN, not friend. The word Alliul (gaurdian) is translated into friend because of a political dispute about who would be the first kalif.

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

AGAIN, dude the translations are terrible here is the more authentic one:
[8:36] Those who disbelieve spend their money to repel others from the way of GOD. They will spend it, then it will turn into sorrow and remorse for them. Ultimately, they will be defeated, and all disbelievers will be summoned to Hell.

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given ...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

This isnt even remotely correct, the arabic word floose (tribute/money) isnt mentioned at all here is the correct translation: [9:27] Ultimately, GOD redeems whomever He wills. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

Lol honestly are you just making these up??? Pick up a quran and look up these verses.
Here is the REAL 9:121

[9:121] Nor do they incur any expense, small or large, nor do they cross any valley, without having the credit written down for them. GOD will surely reward them generously for their works.

[JennyD]

Re: Peace

Lol honestly are you just making these up??? Pick up a quran and look up these verses.

I believe our good Brother in Christ Rev. Rodimer gave a web link as his source.

It sounds like you expect us to know which is a "true" Koran and which is "false", much like the trouble with the many "false" Bibles in circulation.

However, your claiming that a translation is poor isn't very helpful, since we can only assume by their actions that the terrorists prefer the more violent version.

I think you're trying to convince us that Islam is a peaceful religion and that we should be happy to see mosques all over our fair land, like in Europistan. Sorry, Invader, that won't fly here.

There will never be minarets in Freehold!

[Roberta]

Re: Peace

Have you ever heard one of those moslem muezzins screech out an adhan? I would almost rather listen to gangsta rap!

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Peace

Please explain to the interested parties here about Aisha, th eprophet mohammeds wife. There appears to be a lot of prejudice and misunderstanding surrounding this.

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

Please explain to the interested parties here about Aisha, th eprophet mohammeds wife. There appears to be a lot of prejudice and misunderstanding surrounding this.

Sure, Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr.

Abu Bakr wanted Aisha to merry some Pagan, Aisha refused, instead she wanted to marry Prophet Mohammad.

When Aisha reached the age of maturity (9-14), all partys (Abu Bakr, Aisha, and Prophet Mohammad) all agreed to the marriage. (After propherts first wife died) The Marriage, was mainly to united the two tribes.

At one point she was accused of adultury, when she was found traveling with another man, but later her charges were dropped.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Peace

Sure, Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr.

Abu Bakr wanted Aisha to merry some Pagan, Aisha refused, instead she wanted to marry Prophet Mohammad.

When Aisha reached the age of maturity (9-14), all partys (Abu Bakr, Aisha, and Prophet Mohammad) all agreed to the marriage. (After propherts first wife died) The Marriage, was mainly to united the two tribes.

At one point she was accused of adultury, when she was found traveling with another man, but later her charges were dropped.

Strange, Brother Dude, I seem to recall her marrying him at the age of 6, and being deflowered by him at the age of 9. Isn't that in the hadith?

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Peace

Sure, Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr.

Abu Bakr wanted Aisha to merry some Pagan, Aisha refused, instead she wanted to marry Prophet Mohammad.

When Aisha reached the age of maturity (9-14), all partys (Abu Bakr, Aisha, and Prophet Mohammad) all agreed to the marriage. (After propherts first wife died) The Marriage, was mainly to united the two tribes.

At one point she was accused of adultury, when she was found traveling with another man, but later her charges were dropped.

But is it not true that Mohammed married her when she was 6 years old? How often does your religion permit a 6 year old girl to disobey her father and choose her own husband?
I am concerned that if all 6 year old muslim girls were alowed to disobey their fathers and choose their own husbands then there would be chaos. Surely this isn't allowed to happen ?
It is also said that this disobedient 9 year old child seduced the prophet mohammed when she was but 9 years old? Surely Mohammed must have been upset when this happened. I mean, who wouldnt trust a 9 year old girl? she must have been a very bad person. What does Islam do to condemn her memory and discourage other sexually promiscuous 9 year olds from repeating her example?

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

I believe our good Brother in Christ Rev. Rodimer gave a web link as his source.

Yes he did, he should use submission.org instead, it is much more reliable

It sounds like you expect us to know which is a "true" Koran and which is "false", much like the trouble with the many "false" Bibles in circulation.

All Arabic Qurans are the same, the Arabic Quran has never changed and the original still exists. However God only promises to preserve the Arabic Quran, and the translations are the ones littered with mistake. Because I bet none of you know arabic, I cant expect you to see the horribleness in the translations. Which Is why I am here, I can understand arabic, as well as give a correct translation. http://submission.org/quran/ provides plenty of good translations aswell. I dont expect you to know what is true, or what is false because nobody has taught you. Extremests ruin EVERY faith, for example the extreme liberal christians, ruin the image of christanity. terrorists ruin the face of Islam. Did you know many muslims where in the building when the plane struck it. Including my aunt? Those bastards arnt real musliums because the Quran DAMNS anyone who does suicide attacks. Allah said in the Quran ANYONE who does sucide, wether milicaous or not, can never enter paradise, and they will forever be burning in hell.

However, your claiming that a translation is poor isn't very helpful, since we can only assume by their actions that the terrorists prefer the more violent version.

I agree, there is extremest, and evil people everywere, they can take the most peaceful book and use it for violence, especially if people are uneducated, or paid a lot.

I think you're trying to convince us that Islam is a peaceful religion

Im trying to show you the real Islam, which indeed is peaceful. The word Islam dirives from salam, which means PEACE.

and that we should be happy to see mosques all over our fair land

Depends on how you look at it. And who runs the Mosques.

like in Europistan. Sorry, Invader, that won't fly here.

Im no invader, I speak perfect, fluent english. I was born here, and my roots in america trace back to the 1800s. Nobody is asking you to be a muslim. I just saw that this website had about 100000 misconceptions of Islam, and thought I could correct some.

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

But is it not true that Mohammed married her when she was 6 years old?

Common misconception, it was agreed that they would be married, but the Marriage didnt and couldnt take place until she became mature, Which was 9-14

How often does your religion permit a 6 year old girl to disobey her father and choose her own husband?

Actually Abu Bakr wanted the Marriage.

I am concerned that if all 6 year old muslim girls were alowed to disobey their fathers and choose their own husbands then there would be chaos. Surely this isn't allowed to happen ?

Correct, the Father must give permission for the marriage to happen, so your right it cant happen without the fathers permission.

It is also said that this disobedient 9 year old child seduced the prophet mohammed when she was but 9 years old? Surely Mohammed must have been upset when this happened. I mean, who wouldnt trust a 9 year old girl?

Aisha wanted to merry the Prophet for love, while Abu Bakr wanted the marriage for political purposes. Sorry for not being clear about that before.

What does Islam do to condemn her memory and discourage other sexually promiscuous 9 year olds from repeating her example?

Well Islam requires the fathers permission, and she must have reached an age of Maturity (which I mentioned earlier). Islam HIGHLY SUGGESTS to marry a virgin, and to avoid females who are not virgins. The act of Fornication is a MAJOR MAJOR sin in Islam, and any girl who has done this act should repent and ask for forgiveness. God loves those who remain chaise (until marriage)

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Peace

You have completely contradicted yourself on a couple of points within 2 posts.
go away. You are not to be trusted.

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

You have completely contradicted yourself on a couple of points within 2 posts.
go away. You are not to be trusted.

Which points?

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Peace

Which points?

concerning aisha, abu bakr and mohommed.
lets clear this up . you stated first that she disobeyed her father and demanded to marry mo-ho-meds. Then you stated that abu bakr wanted her to marry mo-ho-meds.
that is a contradiction. so what is the truth?