[curtisedwardgrice (Quarantined)]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Yes, Mr. Grice. It is Harsha Shah here. I have been here a long time but I am not a christian. I am of Gujarati descent and a secular Jainist and I am mostly adhering to ahimsa and vegetarianism. Yes, I must admit that I am struggling with chastity, yes. I am hoping that I am not offending you but I am failing to understand your position here, Mr. Grice. Yes, I am seeing that you are debating with the christians, yes? Are you some other kind of christian, then? Yes? And if you are, do you follow a bible different from the bible that is being quoted here? If I am not offering the right choices, please do not be hesitating to correct me. Yes. Are you perhaps thinking that if I were to convert to christianity that I should be choosing your form over the christianity of this forum? You must know the story of the blind men and the elephant that I have been telling here. What is the body part of the elephant that you are touching, Mr. Grice? Thank you, Mr. Grice and I am very sorry if I was offending you with my perhaps uneducated questions. Yes.

My teachings and upbringing are much different than their view of the Bible, in my research I have noticed other religious beliefs all teach the lessons and believe in a father sent his son to the earth from the heavens to cleans, and remove evil for a time they all even have a Adam and Eve type beginning to their race so I come to believe all teachings are correct 100% its Church I run my Church I don't believe this Church or the people of this sites blindness to the peace and harmony in the Bible. They only follow and emulate the evil parts and don't understand the Bible is a promise of peace and love to honor, and respect others not talk to people like they are worthless Jesus Christ was very nice to people he could not have been the God cause to look upon God face is same as being shot in the heart, insant death; however he could have killed all the Romans the hung and killed him. They blame Jews but Israel is Gods promised land forbidden to overtake by any one other than Jews. The USA is not in the Bible named or otherwise, nor is proper grammar or blind being evil or autism. I'm willing to bet they will alter this as they did my last one i still have my copy as changing what somone said exactly is illegal as is defamation of character ( purposely saying my name wrong or pronouncing it wrong or calling me Mormon or all of the tags that they've given me or anyone else) so i hope this explains I'm here to teach them ccorrectly not this falseness they built.

[Didymus Much]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

...changing what somone said exactly is illegal as is defamation of character ( purposely saying my name wrong or pronouncing it wrong or calling me Mormon...

Seriously? "Someone called me a bad name, gotta call the internet police"? Are you like eight years old or something?

Everything that happens on this forum is covered by the Terms of Service you agreed to and signed (but did not read, quelle surprise), and is all quite legal.

Of course, you're welcome to challenge any of this (and Zeke's team of Joos on crack) in a real court. But to do that, you need to be a lawyer. Heywuddayakno, I can sell you an official, completely legal looking Certificate of Attendance at Yale Law School, Inc. of Hanover, Missouri, and you can be a pretend lawyer like you're a pretend preacher! This will entitle you to all sorts of benefits, like being the butt of cruel jokes (you've had practice) and driving fancy cars you can't really afford very poorly. Only $5000 (US currency, small unmarked non-consecutive bills only)! Act now! Demand is higher than it's ever been! Don't miss out!

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Hello again Mr. Grice!

Nontrinitarianism...

I was not asking for a wikipedia copy-paste. I asked you very specific questions:

how do you explain the relationship between Jesus and God? Do you think, just like the Muslims, that Jesus was simply a prophet sent by God? Or something else?

Anyway. Since you are not a type that seems to read and respond thoughtfully, I'll move on.

My teachings and upbringing are much different than their view of the Bible,

This lovely community's views are based entirely on the Bible. Since your beliefs differ, I assume your beliefs are based on something else? What would that be?

in my research I have noticed other religious beliefs all teach the lessons and believe in a father sent his son to the earth from the heavens to cleans, and remove evil for a time they all even have a Adam and Eve type beginning to their race so I come to believe all teachings are correct 100%

This is interesting, and that would place you within the Baha'i religion rather than any branch of Christianity. This is not a critique - the Bahai are a very reasonable religion, and their theology does try to merge all religions together into a single semi-coherent theology.


Unfortunately, what the Bahai don't see - and you seem to overlook as well - is that there are plenty contradictions not only between religions, but also within them.


For example. You say that different religions teach about God's Son being sent to the world to do a cleanup - I don't really see that in religions that did not have direct genealogical contact with the Abrahamic religions.


And while it is true that all religions have an origin story, these stories vary drastically - in terms of who created the first people, how many first people were created, and what was used to create them.

I don't believe this Church or the people of this sites blindness to the peace and harmony in the Bible. They only follow and emulate the evil parts and don't understand the Bible is a promise of peace and love

Do I understand you correctly, that the solution is to ignore the evil parts of the Bible and only follow the parts that talk about peace and love?


But, isn't all Bible the Word of God?


Even the evil parts of it?


I'm not criticizing you; I'm just asking to understand your position, what do you think should be done with the evil parts of the Bible?

Jesus Christ was very nice to people

Except when He was calling them vipers, dogs, and other insults.


Especially in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus comes out as a total dick, really mean even towards His disciples, don't you think? Maybe He had migraine headaches or something? That would explain why He was throwing so many insults.

however he could have killed all the Romans the hung and killed him.

Are you suggesting that He did not - that all of these Romans are still alive 2000 years later?

They blame Jews but Israel is Gods promised land forbidden to overtake by any one other than Jews.

That's a nice thought, although you should back it up with Bible verses if you wish to be taken seriously. Also, how do you correlate this idea with the ugly antisemitism of the New Testament?

so i hope this explains I'm here to teach them ccorrectly not this falseness they built.

This is very nice of you. If you wish to really win the True Christians over, I'd suggest that you cite the Bible every time you make a claim. Otherwise, they will just ignore you - they only believe in the stuff that is written in the Bible, nothing else.

[anthonyijackson]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

He’s black not brown. Don’t you know anything about religion.

He’s probably a Voodoo or Catholic or some such.

YIC

Religion has very little to do with skin color. Malcom X is a notable black Muslim.

[anthonyijackson]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Religion has very little to do with skin color. Malcom X is a notable black Muslim.

I got an infraction for "being a sassy-mouth feminazi bitch." all I did was state a fact. Malcolm X was a notable black Muslim. I didn't say anything controversial or anything that could even be argued.

[Roland]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

I got an infraction for "being a sassy-mouth feminazi bitch." all I did was state a fact. Malcolm X was a notable black Muslim. I didn't say anything controversial or anything that could even be argued.

JesOS™ works in mysterious ways. Is being called sassy-mouth feminazi bitch really a problem? People will judge you on you character, your actions.

This brings me to the issue that bugs me the most: I accept that you are a racist and I firmly believe you have the right to be a racist, it just makes me (and as I have noticed other people too) a bit uncomfortable.

Why do you keep bringing up skin color and why do you think it has any place in any debate?

Kind regards,

Roland

[anthonyijackson]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

JesOS™ works in mysterious ways. Is being called sassy-mouth feminazi bitch really a problem? People will judge you on you character, your actions.

This brings me to the issue that bugs me the most: I accept that you are a racist and I firmly believe you have the right to be a racist, it just makes me (and as I have noticed other people too) a bit uncomfortable.

Why do you keep bringing up skin color and why do you think it has any place in any debate?

Kind regards,

Roland

I wasn't the one who inferred that you had to be brown to be a Muslim, so I'm not the one who brought race or skin color into it.

[Harsha Shah]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

My teachings and upbringing are much different than their view of the Bible, in my research I have noticed other religious beliefs all teach the lessons and believe in a father sent his son to the earth from the heavens to cleans, and remove evil for a time they all even have a Adam and Eve type beginning to their race so I come to believe all teachings are correct 100% its Church I run my Church I don't believe this Church or the people of this sites blindness to the peace and harmony in the Bible. They only follow and emulate the evil parts and don't understand the Bible is a promise of peace and love to honor, and respect others not talk to people like they are worthless Jesus Christ was very nice to people he could not have been the God cause to look upon God face is same as being shot in the heart, insant death; however he could have killed all the Romans the hung and killed him. They blame Jews but Israel is Gods promised land forbidden to overtake by any one other than Jews. The USA is not in the Bible named or otherwise, nor is proper grammar or blind being evil or autism. I'm willing to bet they will alter this as they did my last one i still have my copy as changing what somone said exactly is illegal as is defamation of character ( purposely saying my name wrong or pronouncing it wrong or calling me Mormon or all of the tags that they've given me or anyone else) so i hope this explains I'm here to teach them correctly not this falseness they built.

Yes, Mr. Grice. It is Harsha Shah here again. I am thanking you for your kind reply. Yes. If I am reading you correctly, you are taking all religions as equal, yes? Are you thinking that I am being saved even if I am not believing that Jesus is necessary? I hope that I am not offending you but I am also thinking based on new research that there perhaps was no historical Jesus at all. I am thinking that you might be offended but I am hoping that you would still answer my question if your Bible is different from the bible of the christians on this forum, yes, is it? Have you been reading the Jaina Sutras? What about the important story of the blind men and the elephant? Are you seeking to comprehend the whole animal? Yes?

[curtisedwardgrice (Quarantined)]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Yes, Mr. Grice. It is Harsha Shah here again. I am thanking you for your kind reply. Yes. If I am reading you correctly, you are taking all religions as equal, yes? Are you thinking that I am being saved even if I am not believing that Jesus is necessary? I hope that I am not offending you but I am also thinking based on new research that there perhaps was no historical Jesus at all. I am thinking that you might be offended but I am hoping that you would still answer my question if your Bible is different from the bible of the christians on this forum, yes, is it? Have you been reading the Jaina Sutras? What about the important story of the blind men and the elephant? Are you seeking to comprehend the whole animal? Yes?

same Bible. Holy Bible KJV 1611 but any one who really paid attention God nor Jesus said everything in the Bible thats why theres a red letter addition to show you what they said and if it was not red they didn't say it

[Didymus Much]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

same Bible. Holy Bible KJV 1611 but any one who really paid attention God nor Jesus said everything in the Bible thats why theres a red letter addition to show you what they said and if it was not red they didn't say it

And that same Bible says you're wrong, but it's in parts that you don't read (i.e. the parts that aren't John 3:16-18 you've expanded your repertoire slightly it's been noticed) so you've probably never seen it and I'll just leave these here:

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

[Harsha Shah]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

same Bible. Holy Bible KJV 1611 but any one who really paid attention God nor Jesus said everything in the Bible thats why theres a red letter addition to show you what they said and if it was not red they didn't say it

Yes, Mr. Grice. It is Harsha Shah here again and I am answering you. Thank you for your reponse, yes. I am thinking that I am seeing your point now. I must be concentrating on the red sayings of Jesus to follow your bible. Yes. I have now been looking at the bible online and it is fortunately displaying the red font just as you were saying. Yes. I am seeing that Jesus is indeed very oriental. He is the light and the darkness, the ahimsa and the mindless violence. He is seeing the elephant as a whole, an intermixture of the things that are taking place in the world. I am thinking that I might be offending you but I will be presenting you with a few examples of what I was reading. Yes.

Here is a verse of light and comfort in red, just as you were telling me to do. It is Matthew 5:39 "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." That is beautiful ahimsa. Then we have this one that tells us about karma: It is Matthew 5:20. "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." I was also reading some very dark verses, such as this one. Yes. It is Luke 15:27. It is "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." And sometimes the red Jesus is the rampaging elephant that is making panic and destroying the whole village on its path. It is Revelation 2:23. "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." Yes. Are you saying that Jesus is offering great prizes for those who are following him and utter destruction for those who are failing? Yes? He is the yin and yang and the masculine power and the feminine gentleness in a bundle. Yes? I am seeing that you are teaching the same thing as the christians on this forum, yes? Reward and punishment, karma. Yes. Jesus is the whole elephant, and perhaps it is I who is seeing it for the first time. Now I am thinking that we could be taming the elephant. Yes. Thank you for your kind reply, Mr. Grice and I am hoping that I was not offending you, oh yes.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

how do you explain the relationship between Jesus and God? Do you think, just like the Muslims, that Jesus was simply a prophet sent by God? Or something else?

If you have experience with different learner types you have probably noticed how people who can read structure thoughts quite differently from those who can't. Perhaps cultures without writing can be associated with specific types of society. There are also people with no language at all. If they have thought processes and if you wanted to understand them some analysis of their behaviour would be needed. Writing, for a behaviourist, is a behaviour I suppose and therefore a response of some kind.

With the latest speech/text software obviously one could just run the mouth and words would appear here, foof! Clearly, any sub-literate could run the app to hear those spoken wherein lies a problem. Characteristics of spoken language which never appear in writing are carried over and, conversely, elements unique to writing are rendered via speech synthesis and heard by the necessarily uncomprehending sub-literate. Do you think communication would be possible under such circumstances?

One thing becomes blurred early, perhaps erased altogether: knowing when a question is asked or an answer given. (For those without language, due to demon possession or injury such as a javelin through the head, different responses are assessed; this method works with everyone about the same and for deaf people simply attaching vibrating devices to their chair enables participation as indeed it does for everyone else as they want a go in the vibrating chair too!)

Then there is the difficult type. For God nothing is impossible but when someone outright refuses to even acknowledge that God has communicated in the first instance, including what Jesus is going to do with everyone who does not accept His Perfect Love, can communication ever be established at all? It seems very unlikely. Perhaps in your studies you will come across similar situations but in this thread so far no solution has been forthcoming.

[curtisedwardgrice (Quarantined)]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Hello again Mr. Grice!




I was not asking for a wikipedia copy-paste. I asked you very specific questions:





Anyway. Since you are not a type that seems to read and respond thoughtfully, I'll move on.




This lovely community's views are based entirely on the Bible. Since your beliefs differ, I assume your beliefs are based on something else? What would that be?


This is interesting, and that would place you within the Baha'i religion rather than any branch of Christianity. This is not a critique - the Bahai are a very reasonable religion, and their theology does try to merge all religions together into a single semi-coherent theology.


Unfortunately, what the Bahai don't see - and you seem to overlook as well - is that there are plenty contradictions not only between religions, but also within them.


For example. You say that different religions teach about God's Son being sent to the world to do a cleanup - I don't really see that in religions that did not have direct genealogical contact with the Abrahamic religions.


And while it is true that all religions have an origin story, these stories vary drastically - in terms of who created the first people, how many first people were created, and what was used to create them.


Do I understand you correctly, that the solution is to ignore the evil parts of the Bible and only follow the parts that talk about peace and love?


But, isn't all Bible the Word of God?


Even the evil parts of it?


I'm not criticizing you; I'm just asking to understand your position, what do you think should be done with the evil parts of the Bible?


Except when He was calling them vipers, dogs, and other insults.


Especially in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus comes out as a total dick, really mean even towards His disciples, don't you think? Maybe He had migraine headaches or something? That would explain why He was throwing so many insults.


Are you suggesting that He did not - that all of these Romans are still alive 2000 years later?


That's a nice thought, although you should back it up with Bible verses if you wish to be taken seriously. Also, how do you correlate this idea with the ugly antisemitism of the New Testament?


This is very nice of you. If you wish to really win the True Christians over, I'd suggest that you cite the Bible every time you make a claim. Otherwise, they will just ignore you - they only believe in the stuff that is written in the Bible, nothing else.

he is the Divine Son of God separate but equal power to God the Word of God made flesh still not God rather a successor to the throne of his fathers kingdom

[Didymus Much]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

...separate...not God...

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

And...that's a red letter bit.

[curtisedwardgrice (Quarantined)]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

And...that's a red letter bit.

he was refering to like minded same thoughts and ideas, if they were the same why would he cry out father why have thou forsaken me when dying on the cross, even better how could he die on the cross if they are the same? Gods cant die.