[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: I need your help my dear brothers and sisters

First Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

[user12]

Re: I need your help my dear brothers and sisters

It is good that you seek to overcome your ignorance!

I just study the Bible in context and and lean not my own understanding/opinions but rather believe what Bible says.

Btw thanks guys for attacking me! Now I know that I am on the right path at least - I mean from the style you talk to me it is clear that satan is using you to stop me from getting these gifts. Why? Because God wouldn't talk to me in unloving disrespectful way. Now it is clear that satan wouldn't attempt to stop me unless he had good reason to. And right now he is using you guys to stop me. Therefore now I know that I should pursue and desire gifts even more.

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: I need your help my dear brothers and sisters

I just study the Bible in context and and lean not my own understanding/opinions but rather believe what Bible says.

Btw thanks guys for attacking me! Now I know that I am on the right path at least - I mean from the style you talk to me it is clear that satan is using you to stop me from getting these gifts. Why? Because God wouldn't talk to me in unloving disrespectful way. Now it is clear that satan wouldn't attempt to stop me unless he had good reason to. And right now he is using you guys to stop me. Therefore now I know that I should pursue and desire gifts even more.

I take it you don't like First Corinthians 14 then. I at least hope you agree women shouldn't be allowed to speak in tongues or prophesy in church. Or do you ignore that part as well?

First Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
First Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
First Corinthians 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
First Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

[user12]

Re: I need your help my dear brothers and sisters

I take it you don't like First Corinthians 14 then. I at least hope you agree women shouldn't be allowed to speak in tongues or prophesy in church. Or do you ignore that part as well?

I dont know about this because I have not studied that topic too much as I am not women myself.

Could you give exact verses please? I found just this:

34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.

Here 'speaks' would extend to 'speak in tongues' as well. However based on this verse I would not see a problem when woman who has a gift of tongues serves in prayer team in church.


It does not directly forbid 'prophesy' - she can always write it down - in that case she can prophesy with out having to speak audibly.

So the problem was not that woman would have sinned if they did that but rather that they were interrupting the service with asking questions. And such interruptions and audible chats should be avoided by man also not just women.

4. (34-35) Women should not judge prophecy or disrupt meetings.
Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.


a. Let your women keep silent in the churches: Paul has already assumed the right of women to pray or prophecy publicly (as stated in 1 Corinthians 11:1-16). Here, he probably is saying women do not have the right to judge prophecy, something restricted to the male leadership of the church.
i. Instead of judging prophecy, women should be submissive to what the leadership of the church judges regarding words of prophecy.


b. If they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home: In the ancient world, just as in some modern cultures, women and men sit in different groups at church. Among the Corinthian Christians, there seems to have been the problem of women chattering or disrupting the meetings with questions. Paul is saying, "Don't disrupt the meeting. Ask your questions at home."
i. In the Jewish synagogues, men and women would sit apart. But if a woman chattered or called out to her husband sitting far off, she would be dealt with severely. The Corinthian church may have adopted the same kind of seating arrangement, but with many women from Gentile backgrounds, they did not know how to conduct themselves at a church meeting. Paul is teaching them how.


c. It is shameful for women to speak in church: Again, because Paul assumed the right of women to pray and prophesy under proper authority in 1 Corinthians 11:1-16, the context suggests speak refers to either the judging of prophecy (something for the leadership of the church to do) or to disruptive speaking.
i. Alan Redpath points out that Paul uses the Greek verb laleo, which means, "to talk, question, argue, profess, or chatter." Redpath says, "It has nothing to do with prophecy or prayer; it is not public speaking as such."



Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.


a. Desire earnestly to prophesy: When you come together as a church, it is far better to be a blessing to someone else. Therefore, prophecy is much more useful than tongues.


b. Do not forbid to speak with tongues: Though Paul will carefully regulate, and even discourage the use of tongues in the church, he will not forbid it. At the same time, he will greatly encourage its use in one's personal devotions.


i. The gift of tongues is not to be despised. It especially has a valuable place in personal devotional time. But the gatherings of the church should emphasize prophecy and mutual blessing.

[user12]

Re: I need your help my dear brothers and sisters

Ok sorry guys for fighting with you! I was mistaken.... forgive me please. Bye!

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: I need your help my dear brothers and sisters

I dont know about this because I have not studied that topic too much as I am not women myself.

Could you give exact verses please?

I gave the verses in my post. If you want more verses:

First Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
First Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
First Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
First Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
First Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.