[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I would like to apologize for my slurs and hostility against you yesterday. I hope we can start over; if not, I'll trouble you no more.

Being kind-hearted Christians, we are commanded to offer forgiveness and continue our efforts to get you away from satan's clutches. Keep a civil tongue in your head and things will be fine. Read through all the threads and get the hang of our godly mission. And humble yourself before the Lord!

[SONODOG, jr.]

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My heart is contrite, Pastor, and I will ever seek to follow in the spirit of Landover Baptist (and Jesus too, of course).

I shall double my Tithe this week in repentance.

[Brother Temperance]

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My heart is contrite, Pastor, and I will ever seek to follow in the spirit of Landover Baptist (and Jesus too, of course).

I shall double my Tithe this week in repentance.

Praise! Another misled heathen led to the Lord by the intervention of Landover!

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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Your problem here is that you've never read the Bible. God doesn't say to obey our parents, he says to honour them.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Thank God(!) that at least one True Christian™ was able to see through the confusion that arises whenever one starts quoting false Bibles.

God is not the author of confusion (1st Cor. 14:33), which should give you an idea of who is that author of all the false Bibles.
Hint ->

And there are times when it is ordained
to destroy one or both parents, yes?

Never! A child should fear his parents, the way a True Christian™ fears the Lord. To quote Martin Luther, "'Honor thy parents' does not refer to fellow men, but to vice-regents of God. Therefore, as God is to be served both with honor and fear, his representatives are to be so, too."

Here's a handy list of people that God allows you to kill. I suggest that you print it out, have it laminated, and tape it to the refrigerator for easy reference:

Deuteronomy 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Deuteronomy 13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
Deuteronomy 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
Deuteronomy 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

See? Brother, half-brother, son, daughter, wife and friends - but not parents.

[OnYourKnees]

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See? Brother, half-brother, son, daughter, wife and friends - but not parents.

Pastor Prune, forgive my forgetting, but are there not times when it is encouraged to DELIVER UP one's parents or other family members to the slaughter, rather than killing them oneself for their transgressions against God?

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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Pastor Prune, forgive my forgetting, but are there not times when it is encouraged to DELIVER UP one's parents or other family members to the slaughter, rather than killing them oneself for their transgressions against God?

Forget it! Such a thing is a theological impossibility. Parents are the vice-regents of God, so killing a parent would be deicide.

The Pharisees thought they had found a way out: They gave all their money to the temple so they wouldn't have to support their parents in their dotage. But Jesus rebuked them powerfully:

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Matthew 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

No matter how old you are, your parents are still your parents and they have the right to kill you - not the other way around.

[SalvationSeeker]

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No matter how old you are, your parents are still your parents and they have the right to kill you - not the other way around.

Here's a thought though..
A mans wife is unruly and evil, she refuses to acknowlege him as being superior, and she rejects Jesus. (That alone being a sin worthy of death)

So he does as Jesus commands and decides that she must die, he commands his son to kill her however.
Which he does.
Has he sinned?

Despite my knowledge of the KJV1611 this question is out of my league, maybe you can help me out, brother.

[OnYourKnees]

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Forget it! Such a thing is a theological impossibility. Parents are the vice-regents of God, so killing a parent would be deicide.

Pastor, I can only pray that, with your far greater Biblical knowledge, you can explain these verses to me more fully, as they appear to support children delivering parents to death for failing to come to Jesus. Doubtless, I am confused; for it would appear that an argument must involve more than one party.

Mark 13:12
Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.


Luke 12:53
The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

[Brother Temperance]

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Here's a thought though..
A mans wife is unruly and evil, she refuses to acknowlege him as being superior, and she rejects Jesus. (That alone being a sin worthy of death)

So he does as Jesus commands and decides that she must die, he commands his son to kill her however.
Which he does.
Has he sinned?

Despite my knowledge of the KJV1611 this question is out of my league, maybe you can help me out, brother.

In that situation, he would simply have to ask his father to do the job for him. As with patricide, for a wife to kill their husband would be deicide (Ephesians 5:22-3), but a husband killing his wife would be as simple and natural as God killing His creations.