[Basilissa]

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I dont claim to know gods will, but it is every bit as likely that they are good christians who had some injury unjustly inflicted on them

Nothing happens unjustly, dear. Didn't you know that God is responsible for everything that happens, both good and evil?

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

That is not what I do, and not what I said- and as you have already stated you do not know what my job actually entails- you probably arent in a position to discuss the matter on an intelectual level without looking very foolish.

If you learned to break the quote in order to see the distinction between my and your words, that would also facilitate a discussion on an intellectual lever without looking exceedingly foolish. Furthermore, following the rules of grammar and spelling would also help in this regard. Since you haven't been adhering to these rules very strictly so far, it weakens your argument quite a bit.

I hope that was helpful.

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Oh, so the Holy Bible is nonsense for you, dear?

I dont mean to sound rude,

Nevertheless, you are quite rude. You know what they say about road to Hell paved with good intentions, right?

but you arent making a lot of sense, and it seems like you yourself are attempting to interpret the bibles words to mean something where it does not talk about it in- depth.

I don't interpret anything, dear. I just read what is clearly written.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I help people rehabilitate people who are recovering from injury and offer them comfort, empathy, and strive to make sure they are treated with respect.

Where's your respect for the Good Lord that rebuked them in painful and debilitating ways? You think He snaps bones and stirs up cancer for fun and games? No! He does it because He's trying to catch the attention of souls (Proverbs 20:30; Hebrews 12:5-8; Revelation 3:19), probably because they touch themselves at night. And you patch them back up so they can go on and offend Jesus again.

Shame on you!

In my experience, we work very closely with various churches to provide our patients with opportunity to pray and worship if they so choose, and we openly communicate with our staff that they have the right to refuse to follow an order if it goes against their religious beliefs.

Do you bring them to bars and brothels too? It seems you work with any organization that takes money and makes people feel good when they walk out the front doors.

[Lord Arthwipe]

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In the interim, it's available many places on the web. http://biblehub.com/kjv/ is my usual.

Thank you, that is immensely helpful.

[Didymus Much]

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...I am still awaiting my copy of the King James bible to arrive...

In the interim, it's available many places on the web. http://biblehub.com/kjv/ is my usual.

[Lord Arthwipe]

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In other words: you are interfering (or at least trying to) with God's plans to inflict pain and suffering on those who do not believe in Him.(I dont claim to know gods will, but it is every bit as likely that they are good christians who had some injury unjustly inflicted on them as it is for them to be something else- and I am certain that god has the capacity to punish those who dont believe in him reguardless. If he didnt want their wounds to heal, and salvation was beyond them, then they wouldnt be able to walk again no matter the daily excersises and diet I helped them with.)

Do you seriously have the audacity to think that God created cripples just for you to make them appear more normal? (That is not what I do, and not what I said- and as you have already stated you do not know what my job actually entails- you probably arent in a position to discuss the matter on an intelectual level without looking very foolish.)
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I dont mean to sound rude, but you arent making a lot of sense, and it seems like you yourself are attempting to interpret the bibles words to mean something where it does not talk about it in- depth.



I will continue to let you debate with me on this matter though, as I am still awaiting my copy of the King James bible to arrive in the mail- I only had the new king james version before this so a lot of scripture has slightly different wording.

[Lord Arthwipe]

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But in the future you will be working in other positions in the same industry. Will you relay in science or in the power of prayer then? It is an honest question. You can do whatever you want, but there is only one Biblically correct answer to that question. And no, "both" is not Biblically correct.

Thanks for your kind replies so far.

Actually, I plan to work in Human resources- which requires me to abide by the law, Im just required to be a CNA by the state if I want to work at a hospital.

[Basilissa]

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The passages you are quoting speak of men who had no faith in god, and thought praying would not help them. Also I work in assisting the recovery process which is natural, not the treatment of conditions.

In other words: you are interfering (or at least trying to) with God's plans to inflict pain and suffering on those who do not believe in Him.

Do you seriously have the audacity to think that God created cripples just for you to make them appear more normal?

Exodus 4:11 And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord?

Instead of doing whatever it is that you're doing to make them feel better (I don't really want to know the details), you should work on converting them to True Christianity™ - then, God will heal them and give all the diseases to their enemies:

Deuteronomy 7:12-15
12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the Lord thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
14 Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.
15 And the Lord will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.

[Brother Gonzalez]

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The passages you are quoting speak of men who had no faith in god, and thought praying would not help them. Also I work in assisting the recovery process which is natural, not the treatment of conditions.

But in the future you will be working in other positions in the same industry. Will you relay in science or in the power of prayer then? It is an honest question. You can do whatever you want, but there is only one Biblically correct answer to that question. And no, "both" is not Biblically correct.


Thanks for your kind replies so far.

[Lord Arthwipe]

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I impatiently await appropriate Bible quote which would prove that your approach to healing has Jesus' support and does not contradict the verses I quoted above.

(Hint: It's going to be a long wait because I am not aware of any, and I do know my Bible well).

The passages you are quoting speak of men who had no faith in god, and thought praying would not help them. Also I work in assisting the recovery process which is natural, not the treatment of conditions.

[Basilissa]

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I appreciate your concern but I think you are talking about something else entirely.


I help people rehabilitate people who are recovering from injury and offer them comfort, empathy, and strive to make sure they are treated with respect.
In my experience, we work very closely with various churches to provide our patients with opportunity to pray and worship if they so choose, and we openly communicate with our staff that they have the right to refuse to follow an order if it goes against their religious beliefs.

I impatiently await appropriate Bible quote which would prove that your approach to healing has Jesus' support and does not contradict the verses I quoted above.

(Hint: It's going to be a long wait because I am not aware of any, and I do know my Bible well).

[Lord Arthwipe]

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Dear Mr. Arthwipe,

I am unsure how do you reconcile your fondness of the medical profession with the despise that God has towards it?

As Brother Gonzalez has already mentioned, God does not want us to go to a doctor, God wants us to pray and be healed:

James 5:14-16
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

In fact, the only one case in the Holy Bible when a person goes to a doctor instead of praying, is a cautionary tale:

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the Lord, but to the physicians.
13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

Stupid Asa, he trusted in physicians rather than in God. He deserved to die.

I wonder if I should keep praying for you, dear. You might be a lost cause after all.

I appreciate your concern but I think you are talking about something else entirely.


I help people rehabilitate people who are recovering from injury and offer them comfort, empathy, and strive to make sure they are treated with respect.
In my experience, we work very closely with various churches to provide our patients with opportunity to pray and worship if they so choose, and we openly communicate with our staff that they have the right to refuse to follow an order if it goes against their religious beliefs.

[Basilissa]

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Dear Mr. Arthwipe,

I am unsure how do you reconcile your fondness of the medical profession with the despise that God has towards it?

As Brother Gonzalez has already mentioned, God does not want us to go to a doctor, God wants us to pray and be healed:

James 5:14-16
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

In fact, the only one case in the Holy Bible when a person goes to a doctor instead of praying, is a cautionary tale:

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the Lord, but to the physicians.
13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

Stupid Asa, he trusted in physicians rather than in God. He deserved to die.

I wonder if I should keep praying for you, dear. You might be a lost cause after all.

[Lord Arthwipe]

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What?



Oh my goodness, thank you, I needed a good laugh.

Sure, it's a fine career if you're a gay guy, I guess.

You are being dismissive, as well as ignoring the explanation I gave you, and I would ask that you refrain from projecting assumptions about a job title if you have no experience in that feild.


Please refer to the following explanation:


Most family doctors, paramedics, or other medical professionals have worked either in a senior care center, pharmacy aide, or other similar transitory position at some point. Typically the distinction for which position is whether or not you choose to become a C.M.A, or follow that up with a L.V.N certification at which time you may have completed your medical schooling and may pursue a higher position. But all of those positions require you to have previous experience in rehabilitation or senior care before they will hire you, and each of the 50 states in the U.S.A has their own standards for certification.


I happen to live in Kansas, which is known for being very strenuous in its requirements- and we usually make C.N.As from other states re-take their tests due to their low standards for passing(California in particular.)


As I said, it functions as a certification, and has as many men as there are women in the classes.
Your assumption that there is something wrong with a male being capable of compassion and goodwill strikes me as an odd and worrysome thing, and shows a clear lack of understanding for the position beyond a superficial and childish level.


I hope this has cleared up a few misconceptions you have about the function of the job in relation to a medical career.

[Roland]

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Hospital? I suppose that when your patients come to you, you send them to pray. Otherwise, you are thinking that you have better healing powers than God.
I hope this is not the case!

Hello Brother Gonzalez,

I think it is exactly the case he is making: As he is not Jesus he can not make the sick walk again in an instant so he nurses them back to health. That seems like a good thing. It would be a bit unfair to ask him to help the sick with prayers as he is currently ¨unsaved¨ and his prayers wouldn´t be answered by God anyway. (John 9:31)

Kind regards,

Roland

[Faith_Machine]

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...nursing is a career that is for both genders...

What?



Oh my goodness, thank you, I needed a good laugh.

Sure, it's a fine career if you're a gay guy, I guess.