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  • docscience
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    to Brother Gonzalez ----
    I wrote that there are 2 complete separate interpretations of all the verses that you mention.
    Most people have only been taught your interpretation that you mention. The other interpretation is just as complete, and you ignore it completely.

    I do not think that you have even read the other interpretation which is contrary to yours. You also do not understand prophecy, and should not be commenting about prophecy.
    Isaiah 66:15-17 is definitely a future prophecy, which has never been fulfilled.

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  • docscience
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    === This section deals with THE DEATHS OF THOSE TAKEN AWAY ===
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    These next (6) EVENTS all appear to descibe the very same "END TIME EVENT", which is to happen in the future, when Jesus returns...

    T would guess that it must be important, to be mentioned 6 times...
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    ===(1)===.- The tares are TAKEN FIRST, to be DESTROYED , and mentions including fire...
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    -Matthew 13:30 --Gather ye together FIRST THE TARES , and bind them in bundles to burn them : but gather the wheat into my barn.
    -Matthew 13:38 --the good seed are the children of the kingdom ; but the tares are the children of the wicked one ;
    -Matthew 13:39 --the harvest is the end of the world ; and the reapers are the angels.
    -Matthew 13:40 --As therefore the TARES are gathered and burned in the fire ; so shall it be in the end of this world.
    -Matthew 13:41 --The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall GATHER OUT of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity ;
    -Matthew 13:42 --and shall cast them into a furnace of fire : ...
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    ===(2)===.- This is the same message, the chaff will be purged (taken) FIRST, and then the wheat gathered...
    -Matthew 3:12 --he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner ; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
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    ===(3)===.- Luke 3:17 --he will thoroughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner ; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.
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    ===(4)===.- PLEASE NOTE below, that all those TAKEN AWAY, all DIED... Also notice that the ones that die, are TAKEN FIRST, just like the examples above...This is not a rapture here...
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    -Matthew 24:39 --and knew not until the flood came, and TOOK THEM ALL AWAY ; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be...
    -Matthew 24:40 --Then shall two be in the field ; the one shall be TAKEN , and the other left...
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    ===(5)===.- The one that is TAKEN, is the one that is KILLED, and is where the eagles are... This is also NOT a rapture here...
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    -Luke 17:34-36 --the one shall be TAKEN, and the other left...
    -Luke 17:37 --they answered and said unto him, WHERE , Lord ? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together...
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    ===(6)===.- This event also appears to be that same future event when Jesus returns... This also appears to match up precisely with the previous verses that I just mentioned...
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    -Isaiah 66:15-16 --behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire...
    For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh : and the slain of the Lord shall be many...
    -Isaiah 66:17 --Those eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord...
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    IT means that those, who continue ignoring the Levitical DIETARY LAWS, will be killed by the wrath of GOD, when Jesus returns....
    The meaning of Isaiah 66 is very clear, that Moses dietary laws are still in effect, at this future time event, and have not been done away...
    Since we do not know when this future time is, we should be observing the Levitical dietary laws, always...
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    This is a prophecy like the others, and prophecies do not get done away, they only get fulfilled... This one, will not be fulfilled, until that end time...

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  • docscience
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    to Brother Gonzalez ----
    Isaiah prophecy has been fulfilled many times, as I told you: those pork-eater Jews were burnt in many points of history.
    You are incorrect on this. Very few if any Jews would ever touch pork, and especially the Pharisees whom Jesus criticized. You are commenting on some things that you do not understand. There is another point I need to mention , but it will take time to find the items.

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  • Brother Gonzalez
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    Originally posted by docscience View Post
    to Brother Gonzalez ---- I wrote that there are 2 complete separate interpretations of all the verses that you mention.
    Most people have only been taught your interpretation that you mention. The other interpretation is just as complete, and you ignore it completely.

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    Isaiah 66:15-17 is not a law. It is a prophecy, and prophesies only get fulfilled , and in this case, in that future time.
    Isaiah's future prophecy applies to everyone, not just the jews..


    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free,

    Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.



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    Do you keep the Sabbath ??
    Mr Doc, I have explained to you in consecutive posts why Isaiah was talking only to the Jews of His time. If you are not a Jew, you were not bound, and you are not, by the Laws of the Tabernacle. All the other laws apply.


    All the laws BUT the laws that are relieved in the New Covenant. I cannot explain it all, it is up to you to read the Bible.


    What bothers me is that I wrote about the Sabbath a few post before, and yet you ask again.


    Colossians 2:16-17


    16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


    17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



    No, I do not follow the Sabbath, as Colossians 2:16 relieves me from that. I could follow it, as is not forbidden. But as it is not necessary to reach Heaven, I consider it a waste of time.


    Notice that it does not say "and as well, have sex with anyone you want" or "women, you are equal to men". The Bible is very specific in which rules are to be kept, and which are not.


    It is up to you to read it, and memorize it.


    Isaiah prophecy has been fulfilled many times, as I told you: those pork-eater Jews were burnt in many points of history.


    What is your position, by the way? And how do you support your position in light of the evidence I have provided?

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  • docscience
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    Re: My brief introductory comments as requested to do so.

    to Brother Gonzalez ---- I wrote that there are 2 complete separate interpretations of all the verses that you mention.
    Most people have only been taught your interpretation that you mention. The other interpretation is just as complete, and you ignore it completely.

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    Isaiah 66:15-17 is not a law. It is a prophecy, and prophesies only get fulfilled , and in this case, in that future time.
    Isaiah's future prophecy applies to everyone, not just the jews..


    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free,

    Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.



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    We are only to be bound to the Laws of the Leviticus, Numbers and those parts of Deuteronomy that were not only applied to the Tabernacle (i.e. the Ten Commandments).
    Do you keep the Sabbath ??

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  • Brother Gonzalez
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    KJV Isaiah 66:17 says that people eating pigs and swine are going to be consumed, (turned into toast) at that future event.
    Isaiah is writing about a future prophecy, which is to happen at some point, which is still in the future to us.
    Isaiah's prophecy can NOT be done away, or cancelled, because that would make Isaiah a false prophet.
    Jesus never mentioned that there was any problems with Isaiah's prophecies.
    We do not know when this future event will happen, therefore, for our safety, we should always follow the Levitical food laws.
    IF this is true, as described, the food laws, are a few of the laws, that are still in effect.


    Hi Mr Doc


    You are sitting on the edge that separates a True Christian from the other Christians out there.


    A True Christian KNOWS which laws are still bonding and which laws are to be put aside.


    First of all, we MUST FOLLOW ALL THE BIBLE:


    Joshua 1:8 - This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.





    BUT, some laws are old:


    Romans 1:6
    1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.


    4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.





    So we must follow the Law, but we are delivered from the Law...


    What did Jesus say?


    Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


    20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


    So Jesus came to fulfil, and not destroy. But the Law had not acomplished its mission. The Law did not make us righteous, but sinful, we (the human beings) were sinning and disobeyng the law. So repentance from the sin was the new method introduced by God. Me must follow the Law, but that is not possible to do unless we REPENT. We must REPENT, and then follow the Law.


    Which law then?


    Well, the Old Testament describes many laws in Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Most of the Laws are not set in a timeframe. In fact, the only laws set in a timeframe are the laws of the Tabernable, which describe the statutes and rules for priesthood and sacrifices.


    See how the Bible was written:


    Deuteronomy 4:36 Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: and upon earth he shewed thee his great fire; and thou heardest his words out of the midst of the fire.



    So this is the voice of God himself.


    Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.



    He gave Moses the two tablets commandments and added NO MORE. Of course He made Moses write all the rules and regulations that followed:


    Deuteronomy 4:13-14,


    13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
    14 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it."



    God wrote ten commandments and then told Moses: "I don't want to write all the rest, because I am God Thy Lord, so you go and write the rest of the laws in Deuteronomy"


    What was happening there? Well, of course, those laws where to be applied ONLY on the tabernacle. God did not bother to write them Himself. Those are laws that were time framed and expired. Jesus himself told us that in the New Covenant, as explained before.


    We are only to be bound to the Laws of the Leviticus, Numbers and those parts of Deuteronomy that were not only applied to the Tabernacle (i.e. the Ten Commandments).


    What about the food laws of the Leviticus, then?


    Well, my friend, Jesus himself has relieved us from ALL the laws concerning foods:


    Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

    So nothing we eat can defile us. This is a BIG difference with other Leviticus laws. Here Jesus himself says to us. "Relax, chill, calm down. Eat what you want, nothing will happen" (a short diggression: take this, you "doctors" and "ecologists" saying that eating this will make your heart explode, or that contains GMO's or whatever)


    If you want more, here you have:


    1 Corinthians 10:25-27


    25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:


    26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.


    27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.



    I hope you find this satisfactory.


    Regarding the issue with Isaiah. He is talking about the israelites. And only about them. Next time you see a Jew eating bacon, please warn Him. We are not bount with that law, thanks Jesus for that.


    But the Jews have burnt (think Auschwitz: God works in mysterious ways!) And they will burn again if they defy Isaiah!


    No contradictions! Praise the Lord!

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  • docscience
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    This topic is ONLY concerning the Levitical FOOD laws of Leviticus 11.
    All of your responces in the past, have helped me figure out, how this message should be worded...Thankyou for your help.
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    I begin by pointing out that "Pim Pendergast" has written an excellent article, which is posted on this forum, at this link here.
    landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=88638
    landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=989228
    When you look at the list of all the laws in the OT, many are repeated in the NT and are still in effect.
    There are 4 options... Some laws are done away, some remain unchanged , some enhanced, and some added.
    Another exceptional article, posted right here on this forum site, by "Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson" is titled a short list of 67 laws in the NT.
    Most of the laws were from the OT Torah, and it is right on this forum site.
    landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=65069
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    There are 2 entirely differing and opposing explanations of Paul's writings concerning the Levitical food laws.
    One explanation says that the food laws were done away and nailed to the cross, and the other says that the Leviticus ch.11 food laws are still fully in effect, and are NOT done away.
    Both have very persuasive supporting arguments.
    IN BOTH interpretations, all verses concerning food, in the NT, are interpreted and understood, to agree with their particular position.
    Most Christians are ONLY taught the one explanation, that says that the food laws are done away.
    Many of those, are also taught that it is bondage to obey the Levitical food laws.
    The other opposing explanation has been explained by several different groups, and posted in youtube videos.
    Unless you study both views, you will not be able to know if, or which view, is the correct one.
    I am going to give you my conclusions as brief as I can, but you should research it yourself, to see which you agree with.
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    It is important for you to remember that every passage in the NT concerning food, has the 2 opposing interpretations, in which one interpretation agrees with the position that they are supporting.
    IT is important that you know that both positions are completely in opposition to each other, and only 1 can be correct, NOT both.
    Either the FOOD laws are done away OR they are still fully in effect.
    I found this to be one of the better supporting videos ( v=PgyhEEQz0PY ).
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    The OT supports the Food laws as being fully in effect.
    Throughout the OT, the food laws are mentioned many times.
    If we say that the Food laws list in Leviticus is done away, we are not able to use that, as supporting evidence.
    Most references in the OT can NOT be used as supporting evidence of the food laws.
    I have been able to find only 1 other piece of evidence which will support one of the positions.
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    KJV Isaiah 66:17 says that people eating pigs and swine are going to be consumed, (turned into toast) at that future event.
    Isaiah is writing about a future prophecy, which is to happen at some point, which is still in the future to us.
    Isaiah's prophecy can NOT be done away, or cancelled, because that would make Isaiah a false prophet.
    Jesus never mentioned that there was any problems with Isaiah's prophecies.
    We do not know when this future event will happen, therefore, for our safety, we should always follow the Levitical food laws.
    IF this is true, as described, the food laws, are a few of the laws, that are still in effect.
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    I am writing this, because, if this is true, I do not want to see any of you people, turned into toast.
    You will not be able to say that you were not warned.
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    Gilbert.
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  • MitzaLizalor
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    Originally posted by Brother Gonzalez View Post
    Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
    I think I understand. One specific seed, Jesus. So to benefit we would have to become part of, rather than just think about, Him. That will be why Jesus is returning as our bridegroom. By marrying Him we do become part of Him.

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  • Brother Gonzalez
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    Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
    So from your 2nd paragraph, is that why gentiles needed to convert to find redemption? (I mean convert from paganism to Judaism as it was)
    It hasn't changed; you still have to convert (to Christianity, nowadays) in order to find salvation.


    Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.



    What has changed is the mechanism. Let's say in layman terms that the Bible 2.0 makes it easier for the non-Christians to become Abraham's seed:


    Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



    It is VERY easy to become a True Christian (the mechanism, at least), while still remains very difficult to become a True Jew.

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  • MitzaLizalor
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    So from your 2nd paragraph, is that why gentiles needed to convert to find redemption? (I mean convert from paganism to Judaism as it was)

    Originally posted by Brother Gonzalez View Post
    No, Mr Doc. You are twisting scripture, as Brother Alvin told you.


    The whole Isaiah prophecy was based on the fact that the nation of Israel was disobeying God. The laws of God were applied only to the nation of Israel; the "Gentiles" were not saved (and not to be saved, let me add) ... When the Isralites turned their backs to God (and they did it many, many times) God decided that instead of separating the Israelites from the Gentiles, He will be saving the Gentiles.

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  • Brother Gonzalez
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    Originally posted by docscience View Post
    to MitzaLizalor --

    You are saying that Isaiah made a prophecy that will not come true.

    You are thinking that those who are eating unclean foods will not be destroyed according to Isaiah 66:17


    No, Mr Doc. You are twisting scripture, as Brother Alvin told you.


    The whole Isaiah prophecy was based on the fact that the nation of Israel was disobeying God. The laws of God were applied only to the nation of Israel; the "Gentiles" were not saved (and not to be saved, let me add) and so not under the obligation to follow the Laws of the Tabernacle, the Covenant with God.


    When the Isralites turned their backs to God (and they did it many, many times) God decided that instead of separating the Israelites from the Gentiles, He will be saving the Gentiles. And the Gentiles are NOT and NEVER WERE forced to follow the Covenant.


    In Isaiah 65:4 God is talking to the Israelites. And ONLY to the Israelites.


    Of course, you want proof of this. Read the whole Isaiah book. And then, go to Romans:


    Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.



    Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.



    And of course, the famous Colossians passage:


    Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:



    Please be aware that this words in no way mean that we don't have to follow the OT; instead of that, it ONLY means that we are not to follow the laws of the Tabernacle. We are released from that, and ONLY from that.


    So was God lying in the book of Isaiah? No, look at what happened with Jews during history, they were punished for disobeying the Laws of the Tabernacle. But not us, Mr Doc. Not us. We did not have an Inquisition, nor an Auschwitz, have you ever wondered why?

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  • MitzaLizalor
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    Originally posted by docscience View Post
    to MitzaLizalor --

    You are saying that Isaiah made a prophecy that will not come true.

    You are thinking that those who are eating unclean foods will not be destroyed according to Isaiah 66:17


    If you can point out where I've claimed that that would be great. Thanks.

    Another concern is the way you just ignore the words of Jesus. In addition I went out of my way to find evidence for you from Peter. So far we've got JESUS, PAUL, PETER all in agreement but docscience dissenting. This fact does need addressing.

    Why do you think it's called the New Testament? Where does the word "testament" come from (hint: it's the same root as for "testify" like when giving evidence or something) and what is the origin of that root? But that's a side issue really. I'm more interested in why you think Jesus got it wrong. Remember that He is Himself a fulfilment of prophecy in Isaiah. Or are you one of those who claim that the following prophecy:


    ISAIAH 7 look up
    (1)
    In the days of Ahazking of Judah,the king of Syria andthe king of Israel went up toward Jerusalem to war against it.
    (3,4) Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahazand say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not.
    God explains what will happen to this plan of Rezin and Pekah, the plan to destroy Judah
    (7) Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.
    (10,11,12) The LORD spake again unto Ahaz saying, Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy Godbut Ahaz said, I will not ask.
    Ahaz was happy to take God at His word without subjecting it to some sort of test. God likes that; this is what happened next:
    (14,15,16)Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a sonbutter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
    People placing this interpretation on God's historical record then ask us to turn over to the next page. There are two reasons for this, they say. Firstly, because the prophecy had an associated time frame of 65 years something more immediate was called for and secondly, because the prophecy needed to be fulfilled within living memory for the test of a true prophet to stand. If you have a prophet whose prophecies only come true thousands of years later the test cannot be applied during his lifetime and so he would fail the test and his prophecies would not be recorded, they claim.


    ISAIAH 8 look up
    (3,4)
    And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son[God speaking] Before the child shall have knowledge to cry, My father, and my mother, the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria shall be taken away before the king of Assyria.
    This fulfils the short term prophecy about a child to be born as confirmation that Isaiah was correctly informing Ahaz about the pending invasion, namely that both nations would be kaput within 65 years.
    (18) [Isaiah speaking] Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
    KJV


    is internally fulfilled?

    The Pastors make sure that we do know what sorts of alternative "explanations" are applied to Isaiah. Are you one of those people who say the prophecy in chapter 7 was fulfilled in chapter 8 and is that therefore why you're ignoring what Jesus said? As well as what Peter said. And what Paul said. But I won't include Paul because you think he writes in code or something. So far I'd say you're not doing too well with Isaiah and Peter. Perhaps you'd like to try Jonah and John instead?

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  • Ezekiel Bathfire
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    Originally posted by docscience View Post
    concerning 1-corinthians 10:23-27
    1Co:10:21: Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
    1Co:10:22: Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
    1Co:10:23: All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
    1Co:10:24: Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
    1Co:10:25: Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
    1Co:10:26: For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
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    I have read both sides of the argument.
    Lies!
    I know both sides of the argument.
    Falseshoods!
    Therefore I need to figure out if one is correct, or if both can be correct.
    hypocritical abomination – You do not need to do either – your soul is already damned.
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    Isaiah 66:15-17 makes it clear that those eating unclean THINGS will become toast, when the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots.
    No He isn't, and no, He won't.

    I'm not sure if you know, but Jesus invented the period so that we might know where one idea ended and another began.

    Isa:66:15: For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
    Isa:66:16: For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. <-Period!
    New Subject: -> Isa:66:17: They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. <- this refers to hypocrites, like you.
    Isa:66:18: For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
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    So Is Isaiah correct
    Isaiah is quoting God – God is always correct
    or is Paul correct ??
    Paul is quoting Jesus and Jesus is God and is always correct.

    2-Peter 3:16--as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things ; in which are some things hard to be understood,
    And this is why the Bible is inerrant – Peter knew that there would be people like you who have difficulty farting and chewing gum, let alone knowing the meaning of God’s Pure Words.
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    1Co:10:25: Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
    1Co:10:26: For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
    1Co:10:27: If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
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    Paul would be well aware that swine is not food, and that this would be well known, because anyone going to a synagogue anywhere, would learn this message.
    There would be no need for Paul to mention that unclean things are not food.
    This same theme is related to all other Bible passages where Paul talks about eating.
    Half-assed garbage!

    Paul had read Acts: -
    Act 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
    Act 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
    Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
    Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
    Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
    Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
    Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
    Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

    And Paul knows all about Jesus:
    M'r:7:1: Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
    M'r:7:2: And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.[…]
    M'r:7:14: And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
    M'r:7:15: There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
    M'r:7:16: If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

    I assume that you have ears - even if you have nothing between them.


    God, who is also Jesus, changed the dietary laws – Think of that: not only eternal Life in Heaven but eat what you want. Why are there still Jews and Muslims? I don’t get it.

    Sincerely ,
    Gilbert Schmidt .
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    Schmidt? Are you Jewish or German – either way your command of English is minimal – Have a look in a dictionary for the meaning of “sincerely.”

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  • docscience
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    Re: My brief introductory comments as requested to do so.

    to MitzaLizalor --

    You are saying that Isaiah made a prophecy that will not come true.

    You are thinking that those who are eating unclean foods will not be destroyed according to Isaiah 66:17


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  • docscience
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    Re: My brief introductory comments as requested to do so.

    to Alvin Moss ---
    I am replying to your note -

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    Dear docscience, - You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forum.
    Reason: Twisting Holy Scripture to make it sound internally contradictory
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    I had requested - If you know of a better explanation, then please write or post a link.
    Isaiah's prophecy is very clear - Isaiah 66:27 --Those eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.


    These are not my words, this is scripture, these are God's words to you, Alvin Moss - .
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    Please tell me precisely how you interpret Isaiah 66:15-17.
    Do you believe that Isaiah is telling the truth ?
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    I await your answer.
    If you believe in truth, then please give a response.
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    I am waiting for your response.
    God is waiting for your response.
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    I have written what I feel that God wants me to write.
    You can ban me, but you will never forget that God wants your answer.
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    Sincerely ,
    Gilbert .

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