[OneFailure]

Re: Hello Again

"I didn't hurt you when I shoved you into the firepit, it was the fire that burned you."

Your sense of personal responsibility is horrifying. Remind me not to allow you anywhere near my children.

He doesnt. The flames of hell torture people.

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

That's right. You're just saying. As if that's all it takes for the universe to change.

Why are we supposed to change everything we do? Well, because YOU said so.

We are willing to change our minds if you use facts. We will not change our minds just because you declared, in your infinite wisdom, that stuff you find icky is now heresy.

I did use facts look at my earlier posts.

And yes you are heretics for believing that infants go to hell. It's a heretical belief and 80 percent of the Christian communities around the world dont believe in it

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

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Um okay?

[DolliMoans]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

Great, another label to add to the LGBTQXM quandrum...and now R.

[Social Construct]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who seek to understand the universe and conform their behavior to deal with it, and people who expect the universe to conform to them.

We prefer to call ourselves "reality-fluid".

[DolliMoans]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

I think this is at the point it should be said, I feel like Mr. Failure you don't appreciate the loving effort on Landover's part to save your soul. We've gone through nearly 16, 17 pages of tug-o-war, for you to finally admit babies deserve damnation in Hell. We're trying dear, no sinner is undeserving of our unconditional effort. Even Jeffrey Dalmer, as we've established has a place in the Kingdom of Heaven, over a squabbling infant who can't even pronounce "Jesus Christ."

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

You CANNOT base your argument on what YOU think is right or wrong. I shudder to think of infants in Hell, too...

I'm going to guess that it's been a while since any of your children were infants, Brother Dennis. Six of my boys are under the age of five, and trust me, after the day I've had, it's Hell's demons I'd be feeling sorry for.

A couple of questions have occurred to me, though. Is our new friend confusing the age at which one can sin with the age of criminal responsibility? Because the former begins, as all Christians know, at birth or possibly conception, whereas the latter varies from country to country and maybe even from state to state.

Secondly, I'm puzzled by the inconsistency of anyone claiming that infant baptism is all you need while simultaneously claiming that infants and children under the age of X (where X = some random, made-up age which varies from post to post) cannot sin. In that case, why bother baptizing them? The point of baptism is to wash away sin, and if they haven't sinned then that's just a waste of everyone's time.

But this is a most interesting discussion, for some value of "interesting" with which I have hitherto been unfamiliar.

[Jim C. Lombardo]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

I'm not narsicistic I'm just saying that infant damnation is a heresy

Very shifty to not include the word "but" after "narcissistic" (which you misspelt like everything else that leaves your fingers). Everything that comes before 'but' is a blatant lie. You are probably the most narcissistic person I've encountered so far in my life.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Hello Again

God does not torture people in hell. Hell tortures people

"I didn't hurt you when I shoved you into the firepit, it was the fire that burned you."

Your sense of personal responsibility is horrifying. Remind me not to allow you anywhere near my children.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

I'm not narsicistic I'm just saying that infant damnation is a heresy

That's right. You're just saying. As if that's all it takes for the universe to change.

Why are we supposed to change everything we do? Well, because YOU said so.

We are willing to change our minds if you use facts. We will not change our minds just because you declared, in your infinite wisdom, that stuff you find icky is now heresy.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

I dont think God is my Yes man

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9 or 10 I dont want to narrow it down to much

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who seek to understand the universe and conform their behavior to deal with it, and people who expect the universe to conform to them.

Say what you will about Islamic fundamentalists, at least they conform to facts. Their "facts" may be the dark-age rantings of savages, but at least they'e not narcissistic enough to believe that the creator of the universe will be the back-up singer for their every brainfart.

I'm not narsicistic I'm just saying that infant damnation is a heresy

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

Maybe God should have consulted with you instead of Abraham before destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, seeing as you seem to know His mind so well.

When Abraham found out God was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, he said:

Gen 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

And God eventually agreed:

Gen 18:32b I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

Yet we all know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Gen 19:24-25
24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Do you want us to believe there weren't at least 10 children under the age of 10 in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah? If children under the age of 10 are innocent in God's eyes, He would have spared those cities. Or sent His angels to save them along with Lot and his family. Yet God could not find 10 righteous. All the native inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were wicked. They all got barbecued. Even the babies.

And there was the time God killed King David's baby, even after He had forgiven him ("put away his sin").

2 Sam 2:13-15, 18a
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
[. . .]
18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died.

If God was willing to punish David's baby for David's sin even after He'd forgiven David, why would He bat an eyelid over punishing a baby for its own sin of not being perfect?

You're still thinking of sin as doing really bad things, like murder. Sin is failing to be perfect.

Mt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Do you think children under the age of 10 are perfect?

I dont think they are perfect and sometimes they get into mischief but not all mischief is sinning

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

You worded it perfectly. Freudian slips/gaffes tend to be that way. You accidentally told the truth.

I worded things poorly, I should have said that you think God is your Yes-man.

OneFailure: I think that the mysterious and eternal policies of the Creator and Ruler of the Entire Universe by some coincidence perfectly align with the fads of my time period and the whims of my social circle.
Creator and Ruler of the Entire Universe: Yes boss! You're a genius, boss!

Traces the line. Photocopies the line. Copy and Pastes the line.

I dont think God is my Yes man

[OneFailure]

Re: Scripture denier here. La la la, I can't hear you!

So what is it?
5?
8 or 9?
10?

Does 10 include 10⅘? ⅚? ⅞? Where do you start counting from? First breath?

What happens if you're Chinese? Do you suddenly become a Buddhist at 11? What happens if one parent is a Confucianist?

9 or 10 I dont want to narrow it down to much