[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Unfortunately James, I cant be mad at someone who never existed. Not to say that it isn’t possible that a man named Jesus was alive around 0 BCE, I’m referring to the supposed son of god.

I’m not sure how to even respond to that second part, except to ask why you would believe such a thing in the first place. And remember: the Bible isn’t proof.

0 BCE?

[Peter Cossik]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

0 BCE?

Yes, year 0. 0 AD? BCE stands for “Before Common Era”, with its counterpart being CE which stands for “Common Era”. They’re alternatives to using “BC” and “AC” to determine the year.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Could you please specify which claim is insubstantiated? In any case, that was more of a personal message. We can start at the concept that there is no reason to believe in a god, if you’d like.

You said

Vast numbers of people blinding themselves to reality and to their own despicable nature.

It is our belief (that you seem happy enough to ride roughshod over as if the First Amendment was irrelevant) the Bible(KJV1611) is a true depiction of reality.

So your claim that our beliefs are in fact blinding ourselves needs to be substantiated.

Then we can move on to how the Bible(KJV1611) is evidence to believe in God (granted it may not be evidence that persuades YOU but there is a difference between NO evidence (objective) and NON-persuasive evidence (subjective)).

YIC

[Thinks Design]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Yes, year 0. 0 AD? BCE stands for “Before Common Era”, with its counterpart being CE which stands for “Common Era”. They’re alternatives to using “BC” and “AC” to determine the year.

Oh, honey. I hate to break this to you but year zero does not exist in the Gregorian or Julian calendar.

ThinksDesign

[James Hutchins]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Unfortunately James, I cant be mad at someone who never existed. Not to say that it isn’t possible that a man named Jesus was alive around 0 BCE, I’m referring to the supposed son of god.

I’m not sure how to even respond to that second part, except to ask why you would believe such a thing in the first place. And remember: the Bible isn’t proof.

Sure you are mad at Him. A lot of people who want to blame their sorry lives on someone and not take responsibility for their use of Free Will are mad at God. I hear it over and over 'Oh God, why are you so cruel, making my life so terrible'. These people know their problems are so insignificant that God will not intercede, He is looking at 'the big picture with a superior plan'. So people like you declare 'There is no God'.
Now, just for fun, lets look at dates, shall we? What does BC and AC stand for? Do you think Ed down at 'Calendar Towne' in the Galleria woke one day and said "Gee, lets change the year. All years prior to today, we will count backwards and all those after today, we will count forward, starting at 0." Do you realize how utterly absurd that is?
Now, lets consider, who is is Jesus? Who is God. One and the same. God has nobody like you or I. He simply is, He comes to some of us (I have seen Him) as a manifestation. To walk the Earth, he has to take the body of a man, in this case Jesus. It has been reported that God has done so countless times since, just in a more incognito way.
Just because He has not gone over to your home to take yopu out for a Gelato, does not mean he is not real.

[Peter Cossik]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

You said

It is our belief (that you seem happy enough to ride roughshod over as if the First Amendment was irrelevant) the Bible(KJV1611) is a true depiction of reality.

So your claim that our beliefs are in fact blinding ourselves needs to be substantiated.

Then we can move on to how the Bible(KJV1611) is evidence to believe in God (granted it may not be evidence that persuades YOU but there is a difference between NO evidence (objective) and NON-persuasive evidence (subjective)).

YIC

My words decrying your religion were not in violation of the first amendment, nor did I claim that there should be any government mandate to illegalize religion, so citing the first amendment has no place here.

My statement about you blinding yourselves to reality comes directly from the fact that there is no reason to believe in a god, so by following that route of discussion we can come to a conclusion for that discrepancy.

There is no such thing as real “subjective evidence”. There are however two ways for an illusory such thing to exist. One is gullibility, believing in said “subjective evidence” for no good reason, and the other is stubborn denial, refusing to believe in evidence for no good reason. We would each label each other as one of those, I imagine, so the only way to determine the truth would be to present to each other why we believe the Bible is either A.) the perfect word of a deity, or B.) ancient nonsense.

[Peter Cossik]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Oh, honey. I hate to break this to you but year zero does not exist in the Gregorian or Julian calendar.

ThinksDesign

Apologies, I meant year 1. Thank you for the correction.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

My words decrying your religion were not in violation of the first amendment, nor did I claim that there should be any government mandate to illegalize religion, so citing the first amendment has no place here.

So the spirit of the Constitution (in this case for America and all the good folks in it) was to be tolerant of people with differing beliefs is not something you cleave too?

Interesting.

My statement about you blinding yourselves to reality comes directly from the fact that there is no reason to believe in a god, so by following that route of discussion we can come to a conclusion for that discrepancy.

When you can show me that is not begging the question we can discuss that point.

There is no such thing as real “subjective evidence”.

But there is! If evidence is predicated on the prior beliefs of the observer it is subjective evidence.

so the only way to determine the truth would be to present to each other why we believe the Bible is either A.) the perfect word of a deity, or B.) ancient nonsense.

I can answer the last one with the Bible(KJV1611)

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Jesus wins again

YIC

[Peter Cossik]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Sure you are mad at Him. A lot of people who want to blame their sorry lives on someone and not take responsibility for their use of Free Will are mad at God. I hear it over and over 'Oh God, why are you so cruel, making my life so terrible'. These people know their problems are so insignificant that God will not intercede, He is looking at 'the big picture with a superior plan'. So people like you declare 'There is not God'.
Now, just for fun, lets look at dates, shall we? What does BC and AC stand for? Do you think Ed down at 'Calendar Towne' in the Galleria woke one day and said "Gee, lets change the year. All years prior to today, we will count backwards and all those after today, we will count forward, stating at 0." Do you realize how utterly absurd that is?
Now, lets consider, who is is Jesus? Who is God. One and the same. God has nobody like you or I. He simply is, He comes to some of us (I have seen Him) as a manifestation. To walk the Earth, he ha to take the body of a man, in this case Jesus. It has been reported that God has done so countless times since, just in a more incognito way.
Just because He has not gone over to your home to take yopu out for a Gelato, does not mean he is not real.

Your accusations of myself and others being angry at something they don’t even believe in are childish and absurd, and don’t deserve an extensive response.

I’m not sure why you believe that the structure of our calander requires divine intervention, you’ll have to substantiate that.

I don’t claim to know that a god isn’t possible. I simply don’t believe that there is one due to lack of evidence.

[BibleReader2231]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Oh please. There’s plenty of evidence! You just have to look out the window of your SJW safe space to see the air, trees, and all life around you. God made that. The Bible explains everything and if you took the time to reading it before you start criticizing, you’d realize how wrong you are sir. Do you claim to know that caviar is disgusting even though you’ve never tried it? It’s the exact same thing. Stop being a bigot.

[Peter Cossik]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

So the spirit of the Constitution (in this case for America and all the good folks in it) was to be tolerant of people with differing beliefs is not something you cleave too?

Interesting.



When you can show me that is not begging the question we can discuss that point.



But there is! If evidence is predicated on the prior beliefs of the observer it is subjective evidence.



I can answer the last one with the Bible(KJV1611)

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Jesus wins again

YIC

Hatred does not deserve tolerance. I am all for you being allowed to believe whatever you want to believe, no matter how cruel or hateful. However, I am inclined to disagree with you and so I see it fit to enlighten you of your backwards ways.

You’re getting hung up on that message about blinding yourselves. That was not meant to be used in debate, it was a personal message as I did not even know whether the post would be deleted by mods.

So you’re saying that subjective evidence is similar to an echo chamber, where it only makes sense because you already believe it? Apologies if I misunderstood you, but that does not sound like reliable evidence to me.

The Bible isn’t evidence for itself. That shouldn’t need an explanation.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

I don’t claim to know that a god isn’t possible. I simply don’t believe that there is one due to lack of evidence.

At yet in your initial post you assert most strongly that our religious beliefs have blinded us to reality.

Can you assure me that you are not using the common Atheistical rhetoric of ‘imply then deny’ (which means in this case to imply there is no God and then deny that you specifically said so- which is technically correct)?

If not, how do you recognise the discrepancy?

YIC

[Peter Cossik]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Oh please. There’s plenty of evidence! You just have to look out the window of your SJW safe space to see the air, trees, and all life around you. God made that. The Bible explains everything and if you took the time to reading it before you start criticizing, you’d realize how wrong you are sir. Do you claim to know that caviar is disgusting even though you’ve never tried it? It’s the exact same thing. Stop being a bigot.

Ahh, I appreciate you assuming my political stances. From what I’ve seen on this site, you could call the majority of the right wing SJWs compared to some of the stuff said here.

It should be painfully obvious to you that pointing at the air and trees is not proof. That exact message could be said about Allah from Islam or Vishnu from Hinduism, and it would have the same reliability.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

The Bible isn’t evidence for itself. That shouldn’t need an explanation.

That the Bible(KJV1611) exist is rock solid proof that it exists- but that is trivially true (and tautologicallistically true) I do not see your point?

YIC

[BibleReader2231]

Re: Coming to this site for the first time, amazed by what I see!

Did you just put Vishnu and Allah on the same level as Jesus Christ? Oh my....oh no. This won’t do at all.