[Grinder]

Re: Um, Hello.

So letting them doom themselfs to hellfire by not warning them is not humane?
That is "not treating them as a human being"?

Really, how mand people lived in The Americas, Austrilla, China, Japan, Russia, and Africa during his life, but never heard hisgosple because i did not reach them. According to you, they would be condemed, even though they had not converted. If thats not hypocriticl, then its very irrisponsble of god to let so many soul that he made be condemed to hell, unless the "Believers only" line is pure bunk.

You WILL go to hell unless you repent of your sins and accepts Jesus.

Exactly, now, will you cange your ways?

If they believed in Jesus, they weren't jews, they were Christians.
That's should be pretty obvious.

2 problems, 1, the Christian church was not yet established, so how could they be Christians, and 2, I thought you said that only Jews and Romans were in the croud...

As I said, thank you for persecuting me.
I will turn the other cheek as you further show your true nature;
Prideful and angry.

To persecute someone, you must have authority over them. I don't have any more authority over you then you do over me, but, I am in the minority. I have been much more polite than I usually am (And more then some may give me credit for) because I know that if you wished to, you could ask for me to be banned. While I don't mind being banned, I have other things I can do, I don't want to be.

And God can be found in the Holy Bible, I couldn't make Him up even if I wanted to.
And why would I need to? He already exists, and has existed alot longer than any of us.

I am hardly arguing weather god exists, I am aarguing weather his followers (You/me/other people) twist his words to their own wills. We both agree on that, but we accuse the other of doing so, leading us into a perfict circile

Also, I thought you said you were tolerant, but you're obviously not very tolerant of us?
Those who agree with God rather than you?
But then, it's always like that with you who'm, unknowingly, worship the devil, is it not?..
You are too lost in his lies to see your own hypocrisy, your hatred.

I may have problem with your views, but do I want to take away your rights, do I wish to have you killed for being what you are? No. But I can't exactly imagine that you would reciprocate

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Um, Hello.

Really, how mand people lived in The Americas, Austrilla, China, Japan, Russia, and Africa during his life, but never heard hisgosple because i did not reach them.

BECAUSE YOU DID NOT REACH THEM?
I can't believe I'm reading this!
This homer has made himself a god!

According to you, they would be condemed, even though they had not converted. If thats not hypocriticl, then its very irrisponsble of god to let so many soul that he made be condemed to hell, unless the "Believers only" line is pure bunk.

No.
According to GOD, they would be condemned. (John 14:6) I simply agree with God.
Are you calling the Word of God "bunk"?
Do you believe, that with your flawed human morality and logic, that you could pass judgement on HIM?
You don't seem to fear the Lord as you should.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
No man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge:
But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 1:7

Exactly, now, will you cange your ways?

I will not "cange" my ways.
I think I'll just stay on the narrow path, the way of God, the way that leads to Heaven.
Instead of your broad path towards damnation and hell.

2 problems, 1, the Christian church was not yet established, so how could they be Christians, and 2, I thought you said that only Jews and Romans were in the croud...

1. Christians are not the Church, Christians are followers of Christ.
The clue for you is the name Christ.. As in JESUS Christ.

2. No, I said there were only two groups there, Romans and Jews.

To persecute someone, you must have authority over them.

Society has authority, and it opresses us because of our beliefs.
Yet you do not need authority to peresecute however, you're doing it RIGHT NOW.

I don't have any more authority over you then you do over me, but, I am in the minority. I have been much more polite than I usually am (And more then some may give me credit for) because I know that if you wished to, you could ask for me to be banned. While I don't mind being banned, I have other things I can do, I don't want to be.

No, your soul needs to be Saved!
So why should we ban you, we are not like you, we will try to save vile sinners, have them repent, and add them to the flock...
Instead of shutting them out alltogether like you seem to favor.

I am hardly arguing weather god exists, I am aarguing weather his followers (You/me/other people) twist his words to their own wills. We both agree on that, but we accuse the other of doing so, leading us into a perfict circile

Friend, you said yourself that you don't care about the entire Bible.
Thus it is you who twists the word of God.
There is no circle here (nor could anyone but God make a perfect one) this is an obvious fact to anyone reading.

I may have problem with your views, but do I want to take away your rights, do I wish to have you killed for being what you are? No. But I can't exactly imagine that you would reciprocate

We only do what God commands us.
Nothing more, and nothing less.
This has nothing to do with our, or your, will.
It only has to do with the will of God Allmighty.

[Grinder]

Re: Um, Hello.

BECAUSE YOU DID NOT REACH THEM?
I can't believe I'm reading this!
This homer has made himself a god!

Darn, I fudged it. The "i" was supposed to be "it" Really, you take to many things to litterally. That may very well be the problem then.

No.
According to GOD, they would be condemned. (John 14:6) I simply agree with God.
Are you calling the Word of God "bunk"?
Do you believe, that with your flawed human morality and logic, that you could pass judgement on HIM?
You don't seem to fear the Lord as you should.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
No man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge:
But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 1:7

No, I am saying that I don't think god would be so short sighted as to allow millions of his creations to "burn in hell" on a technacality.

1. Christians are not the Church, Christians are followers of Christ.
The clue for you is the name Christ.. As in JESUS Christ.

2. No, I said there were only two groups there, Romans and Jews.

More circular logic? -Sigh-

Society has authority, and it opresses us because of our beliefs.
Yet you do not need authority to peresecute however, you're doing it RIGHT NOW.

And your persecuting me, so?

No, your soul needs to be Saved!
So why should we ban you, we are not like you, we will try to save vile sinners, have them repent, and add them to the flock...
Instead of shutting them out alltogether like you seem to favor.

Yet, I have seen dozens of "sould in need of saving" elsewhere with a "Banned" over their name.

Friend, you said yourself that you don't care about the entire Bible.
Thus it is you who twists the word of God.
There is no circle here (nor could anyone but God make a perfect one) this is an obvious fact to anyone reading.

Friend, I don't follow the entire bible because some parts contradict others, so I ignore the parts that are most likely the result of human tampering. To deny that the bible has been tampered with, or even mistranslated, is very nieve

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Um, Hello.

Darn, I fudged it. The "i" was supposed to be "it" Really, you take to many things to litterally. That may very well be the problem then.

So you're one of those who can't take God seriously enough to take Him literally?

Not only should you take Him seriously:
You should fear Him, anything else is foolhardy.

Be not wise in thine own eyes:
Fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Proverbs 3:7

God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious;
The LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
Nahum 1:2

No, I am saying that I don't think god would be so short sighted as to allow millions of his creations to "burn in hell" on a technacality.

Short sighted?
Already you're passing judgement on Him!
Labeling THE LORD OF LORDS, THE KING OF KINGS with the tiny labels you concoted with your tiny intellect.

You should be ashamed of yourself, God doesn't answer to you:
YOU WILL ANSWER TO HIM!

More circular logic? -Sigh-

How is it circular?
Are you really saying that the belief in Jesus came with the early churches?
That the disciples weren't Christians..?

You're basically saying that the church made Jesus up, not that Jesus, through the disciples, founded the Churches.

And your persecuting me, so?

No, I'm not.
I'm only trying to show you the way of the Lord.

I did not come to your forum, spouting my ideas.
You came to God's forum, where we share His words with anyone.
All of the words taken right out of the Holy Bible.
Yet WE persecute YOU?

Yet, I have seen dozens of "sould in need of saving" elsewhere with a "Banned" over their name.

Their only reason for being here was to mock Jesus.
You are here because you are misguided in life.

Friend, I don't follow the entire bible because some parts contradict others, so I ignore the parts that are most likely the result of human tampering. To deny that the bible has been tampered with, or even mistranslated, is very nieve

The Bible doesn't contradict itself, maybe to you, but that's because your interpretation is wrong.
Your are also without Holy Spirit, so it is no wonder you cannot comprehend the scriptures.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
Neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:4

[Grinder]

Re: Um, Hello.

So you're one of those who can't take God seriously enough to take Him literally?

You know, the words "Litterally" and "seriously" are in diffrent nomenclatures. You may want to read a dictionary before you equate some words with others.

Short sighted?
Already you're passing judgement on Him!

Actually, I am saying that god would not be shortsighted, but I wouldent put it past his followers to be short sighted.

How is it circular?
Are you really saying that the belief in Jesus came with the early churches?
That the disciples weren't Christians

You: There were only jews and romans in the croud that killed jesus

Me: If thats true, they why do we have the details of it the bible?

You: becaue he Christians recorded it

Me: But You said only Jews and Romans Killed Jesus

You: Exactly!

Nothing circular there, huh?

No, I'm not.
I'm only trying to show you the way of the Lord.

Yet my reciprocating is persecution? Oh the irony!

You are here because you are misguided in life.

You assume to much.

The Bible doesn't contradict itself, maybe to you, but that's because your interpretation is wrong.
Your are also without Holy Spirit, so it is no wonder you cannot comprehend the scriptures.

-Sigh-...I am not even gonna touch that with a 10 foot poll, I would be cut by broken logic.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Um, Hello.

You know, the words "Litterally" and "seriously" are in diffrent nomenclatures. You may want to read a dictionary before you equate some words with others.

I wouldn't even start arguing linguistics if I were you..
Your spelling for instance, is absolutely horrible, befitting a three year old.
Yet I'm trying to focus on what you're trying to say instead.

Besides, I never implied the words were equal..
Simply that you doesn't seem to take Him seriously enough to trust in His words they way they are meant to be read; LITERALLY.

You still believe in the hippie god of your fantasies, but the real God isn't like that.
He is a jealous God of righteous wrath.

You unsaved will take any chance you can get, no matter how small, to throw a childish tantrum, won't you?

Actually, I am saying that god would not be shortsighted, but I wouldent put it past his followers to be short sighted.

You are putting LABELS on God, a being that is basically too powerful to comprehend.
You are truly and utterly lost to your devil induced delusions if you think you can do that, not to mention that you are utterly without respect towards God.

You: There were only jews and romans in the croud that killed jesus

Me: If thats true, they why do we have the details of it the bible?

You: becaue he Christians recorded it

Me: But You said only Jews and Romans Killed Jesus

You: Exactly!

Nothing circular there, huh?

So you're saying the Christians killed Jesus?
Please, for your own sake, stop trying to think cause..
Well, if I may be frank, you're not very good at it.

Yet my reciprocating is persecution? Oh the irony!

Uhm.. YOU CAME HERE.
Obviously, not everyone, or even anyone will agree with you, but can you blame us?

You're coming here, telling us to stop worshipping God.
And we're supposed to basically apoligise for our beliefs and not wanting to change to yours?

Boy, get off your high horse!
You are worthless compared to God Allmighty, PERIOD.

You assume to much.

I do not assume anything, I know you are misguided.
You told me so yourself, as you told me your beliefs, and they are WRONG.
Thus you are misguided, because I don't think that you INTENTIONALLY picked the wrong beliefs, now did you?

-Sigh-...I am not even gonna touch that with a 10 foot poll, I would be cut by broken logic.

You shouldn't try your broken logic on it, agreed.

[Grinder]

Re: Um, Hello.

I wouldn't even start arguing linguistics if I were you..
Your spelling for instance, is absolutely horrible, befitting a three year old.
Yet I'm trying to focus on what you're trying to say instead.

I type too fast, and thus I make some mistakes, your forum dose not allow "Cutting and Pasteing" and I don't want to have to download a spell checker, really, whats up with that?

Besides, I never implied the words were equal..
Simply that you doesn't seem to take Him seriously enough to trust in His words they way they are meant to be read; LITERALLY.

So god can only speak one dimensionally? Nothing God says can have no higher meaning? You give him to little credit.

You still believe in the hippie god of your fantasies, but the real God isn't like that.
He is a jealous God of righteous wrath.

Fine, if god condemns me for not condemning others...well, you probably get the picture.

You are putting LABELS on God, a being that is basically too powerful to comprehend

Actually, I am putting lables on his "followers". I wish you would stop thinking that you are part of god, its not correct at the least,
blasphemous at the most

Uhm.. YOU CAME HERE.
Obviously, not everyone, or even anyone will agree with you, but can you blame us?

You're coming here, telling us to stop worshipping God.
And we're supposed to basically apoligise for our beliefs and not wanting to change to yours?

Indeed I did, because I felt the election of leaders like President Bush, and the subsequent use of your "Values" as national policy, impinged on my values.

I came here to explain why I think the way I do, and maybe (hopefully) convince others to do the same. If you don't oh well.

I do not assume anything, I know you are misguided.

You assume I am misguided, because you cannot se beyond your own reasoning

[Jesus is Lord]

Re: Um, Hello.

I type too fast, and thus I make some mistakes, your forum dose not allow "Cutting and Pasteing" and I don't want to have to download a spell checker, really, whats up with that?

You are stupid, aren't you? Use basic keyboard shortcuts like Ctrl+C to copy, Ctrl+X to cut, and Ctrl-V to paste. These shortcuts are the same throughout Windows and other operating systems.

So god can only speak one dimensionally? Nothing God says can have no higher meaning? You give him to little credit.

Nobody said that. It is very evident to True Christians™ what parts shouldn't be taken fully literally and what should be taken literally. If in doubt follow that part literally. Simple really.

Fine, if god condemns me for not condemning others...well, you probably get the picture.

We aren't the ones condemning you, GOD is. The Bible tells us who to hate and who to love.

Actually, I am putting lables on his "followers". I wish you would stop thinking that you are part of god, its not correct at the least,
blasphemous at the most

We are not a direct part of GOD but we are a part of HIS family but what that has to do with anything anyway is beyond me.

Indeed I did, because I felt the election of leaders like President Bush, and the subsequent use of your "Values" as national policy, impinged on my values.

Your "values" are of Satan and are evil, our values are of GOD and are good. Do not disrespect the GODLY President Bush. He is a member of GOD's elect and is President because GOD wanted him to be.

You assume I am misguided, because you cannot se beyond your own reasoning

No, we know you are misguided. If you do not worship GOD exactly the way HE wants to be worshipped then you are misguided. It is simple, follow the KJV 1611 Bible literally and word for word and you will make GOD happy and may gain entrance to Paradise, otherwise you will make HIM mad and go to eternal torture in Hell.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Um, Hello.

I type too fast, and thus I make some mistakes, your forum dose not allow "Cutting and Pasteing" and I don't want to have to download a spell checker, really, whats up with that?

Well, I cut and paste Bible verses onto here, so how can I do that then?
As brother JIL said, you're quite stupid, no offence really, but you are.
So try to remember it before writing..

So god can only speak one dimensionally? Nothing God says can have no higher meaning? You give him to little credit.

Who said anything like that?
But when God says "kill homersexuals" and you read it like "love homersexuals" is that because of God?
No, it is because you cannot accept what He says if you don't like what He says.

Fine, if god condemns me for not condemning others...well, you probably get the picture.

God condemns you if you don't obey Him, period.
There is no point in trying to justify your lack of obedience.
No man is justified before God by only their own accord;
If you are not washed sin-free by Jesus blood, you are a vile and unclean thing.

How then can man be justified with God?
Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
Job 24:5

Actually, I am putting lables on his "followers". I wish you would stop thinking that you are part of god, its not correct at the least,
blasphemous at the most

You said and I QUOTE: "god would not be shortsigted"
"Shortsighted" is a very human term, God cannot be described by such.
Neither as "not be shortsighted" or as "be shortsigted".
He is simply God, and you are a liar who do not know Him (1 John 2:3-4), and He cannot be described by using Human labels.

Nobody here ever said they were a part of God except YOU, since you claim that your fantasy image of Him must be correct.
But no mortal man can truly understand God, and being unsaved, you do not know Him, not in the least.

AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
HE THAT SAITH, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPETH NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
1 JOHN 2:3-4

CASE CLOSED!

You are very vain man, no doubt.
I will not throw any more pearls before swine like you, I think I've thrown enough.
I can only say that anyone reading this will realise how confused you really are, and I can only pray that you will do the same, repent, and accept Jesus.

Jesus is trying to love you, but if you don't love Him back then you belong in hell.

Indeed I did, because I felt the election of leaders like President Bush, and the subsequent use of your "Values" as national policy, impinged on my values.

So you would deny us our right of free opinons, and free speech?
But you'll whine if we don't agree with you, cause then your "rights are violated"?

Typical communist hypocrisy, you obviously hate both freedom and America, as GWB was not only elected by God, but by the American people too!

I came here to explain why I think the way I do, and maybe (hopefully) convince others to do the same. If you don't oh well.

I'm sorry to tell you this but not only are you rude and vain, but also utterly daft.
Nobody in their right mind, nowhere, would listen to you.

You assume I am misguided, because you cannot se beyond your own reasoning

I do not assume, as I said, you told me your beliefs.
God, in the Holy Bible, tells me your beliefs are wrong.
I'd rather trust God than you, I didn't use any reason to arrive at the conclusion that you are misguided:
I simply read the Bible, you should try it sometime..

[Grinder]

Re: Um, Hello.

You are stupid, aren't you? Use basic keyboard shortcuts like Ctrl+C to copy, Ctrl+X to cut, and Ctrl-V to paste. These shortcuts are the same throughout Windows and other operating systems.

I guess, I always felt that right clicking was faster than the "Shortcuts"

Nobody said that. It is very evident to True Christians™ what parts shouldn't be taken fully literally and what should be taken literally. If in doubt follow that part literally. Simple really

Maybe that's the problem, I take the parts about love and compassion literally, and you take the other parts literally.

The Bible tells us who to hate and who to love

Yeah, everyone. But all I ever hear is "Darn joos, mudslimes and homers!" (Really, when you spell words like hat, you may think you are mocking them, but your really mocking yourself.)

You said and I QUOTE: "God would not be shortsighted"
"Shortsighted" is a very human term, God cannot be described by such.
Neither as "not be shortsighted" or as "be shortsighted".
He is simply God, and you are a liar who do not know Him (1 John 2:3-4), and He cannot be described by using Human labels.

So no human words can describe what God is? Not even "God is love"

But no mortal man can truly understand God, and being unsaved, you do not know Him, not in the least.

Yet, you seem to claim that you know his word, and what he thinks, so what exactly are you lying about? Really, don't you check the sentence flow of you posts before you make them, just to make sure they are not hypocritical?

Who said anything like that?
But when God says "kill homersexuals" and you read it like "love homersexuals" is that because of God?
No, it is because you cannot accept what He says if you don't like what He says.

Sorry that I use the brain God has given me to see a farce. Jesus said in dozens of verses to love everyone, but the old testament (In one lone verse) said to hate gays, you don't see anything odd at all?!

So you would deny us our right of free opinions, and free speech?
But you'll whine if we don't agree with you, cause then your "rights are violated"?

Typical communist hypocrisy, you obviously hate both freedom and America, as GWB was not only elected by God, but by the American people too!

Yo have every right in the world to not have an abortion, not get married to a gay, not partake in secular media, whatever. But you have no right making a law that forces me to conform to your values. Its quite low to call someone who disagrees with you a communist, but I guess, look at who I am talking too.

I'm sorry to tell you this but not only are you rude and vain, but also utterly daft.
Nobody in their right mind, nowhere, would listen to you.

Go ahead and ask someone, anyone, what they think Jesus' message was. I guaranteed the word "Love" will be thrown around like confetti.

I simply read the Bible, you should try it sometime..

I do, the problem is, your reading the wrong parts.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Um, Hello.

I guess, I always felt that right clicking was faster than the "Shortcuts"

Right.

Maybe that's the problem, I take the parts about love and compassion literally, and you take the other parts literally.

We take all the parts literally, we love all our Christian brothers and sisters, and first and foremost:
We love God.

We do not fellowship with the unsaved however.
As commanded by God.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
And what communion hath light with darkness?
2 Corinthians 6:14

Yeah, everyone. But all I ever hear is "Darn joos, mudslimes and homers!" (Really, when you spell words like hat, you may think you are mocking them, but your really mocking yourself.)

Can you atleast TRY to make sense, instead of TRYING (and failing) to sound like you would be wise?

So no human words can describe what God is? Not even "God is love"

Not truly, one can only begin to understand.
For instance..
God is alot MORE than just love, thus you reduce Him to a simple and one-dimensional concept if you only say "God is love."

That is why there are many verses in the Bible, some saying God is wrath, some saying He is love. He is all of those and even more.
Sigh.. Why do I even bother? You are daft beyond comprehension and you hear, yet you do not listen.

Yet, you seem to claim that you know his word, and what he thinks, so what exactly are you lying about? Really, don't you check the sentence flow of you posts before you make them, just to make sure they are not hypocritical?

Yeah, I do know it pretty well since I read it daily, infact I have it here on my table.
It's called the KJV1611 Holy Bible and is available in most bookstores.
Please think before you write, the Word of God is available to all and you're making yourself a laughing stock with your silly attacks.

Sorry that I use the brain God has given me to see a farce. Jesus said in dozens of verses to love everyone, but the old testament (In one lone verse) said to hate gays, you don't see anything odd at all?!

No.
Because Jesus doesn't tell us to love EVERYONE.
He tells us to love our Christian brothers and sisters and that we do.

Jesus has no love for sodomites nor unsaved..
Not like you could be Saved and a sodomite at the same time, but that's beside the point.

How about reading the Bible as it is, instead of just a few parts of it?:

But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you:
Notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
Luke 10:10-12

And as you know, Sodom and all it's inhabitants was burnt up.
Jesus promises even worse punishment for those who refuse Him.

Yo have every right in the world to not have an abortion, not get married to a gay, not partake in secular media, whatever. But you have no right making a law that forces me to conform to your values.

How naive can one be?
So if someone doesn't want to obey the law, he's excused?
I don't want to pay taxes, but if I don't I'd get arrested.
Try living in the world God has created for a change, instead of your fantasies.
Try to grow up.

Bush has been granted legislative power not only by Jesus, but by the people, we live in a God blessed democracy.
Not the Soviet union, try to understand that.

Go ahead and ask someone, anyone, what they think Jesus' message was. I guaranteed the word "Love" will be thrown around like confetti.

Just because many believe a lie, that doesn't make it truth.
Read the Word of God instead, and you will see just how big a lie that is.

I do, the problem is, your reading the wrong parts.

So it's up to YOU to decide which parts are right and which that are wrong?
WE FOLLOW THE ENTIRE BIBLE, PLEASE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!

And show me where in the Bible, that it says you may disregard the parts you don't like!

[Grinder]

Re: Um, Hello.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
And what communion hath light with darkness?
2 Corinthians 6:14

Personally, I wonder why The 4 gospels are avoided so much by "True Christians" Jesus is the founder of your religion, his word is what truly matters.

Not truly, one can only begin to understand.
For instance..
God is alot MORE than just love, thus you reduce Him to a simple and one-dimensional concept if you only say "God is love."

Then by your (Lack of) logic, the bible, which is written by human scribes, using human words, cannot accurately tell us God's motives.

No.
Because Jesus doesn't tell us to love EVERYONE.
He tells us to love our Christian brothers and sisters and that we do.

I seem to remember a passage about "Jews and Gentiles" You claim to read the bible every day, do you remember which one that was?

How naive can one be?
So if someone doesn't want to obey the law, he's excused?

No, but they have the right to test that law's constitutionality, which has been done, that's why the supreme court is so despised in "True Christian circles"

Bush has been granted legislative power not only by Jesus, but by the people, we live in a God blessed democracy.
Not the Soviet union, try to understand that.

Then on that note, Bill Clinton also got his authority from Jesus

Just because many believe a lie, that doesn't make it truth.
Read the Word of God instead, and you will see just how big a lie that is.

I thought you said that "Nobody in their right mind, nowhere, would listen to you." Put lets ignore that fallacy, huh?

So it's up to YOU to decide which parts are right and which that are wrong?
WE FOLLOW THE ENTIRE BIBLE, PLEASE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!

And show me where in the Bible, that it says you may disregard the parts you don't like.

-Sigh- no matter how many time I say "Contradiction, you simply answer with semantics, I am going to take my leave of this post, I am tired this pointless back and forth.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Um, Hello.

Personally, I wonder why The 4 gospels are avoided so much by "True Christians" Jesus is the founder of your religion, his word is what truly matters.

We do not avoid the Gospels. On the contrary, we are the ONLY Christian Church who uses the ENTIRE Bible to guide our lives. Every word, not just the "PC" verses. But I will be happy to offer you one of my favorite Gospel verses. This is a quotation from Jesus:

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.--Luke 12:51

Then by your (Lack of) logic, the bible, which is written by human scribes, using human words, cannot accurately tell us God's motives.

The Holy Bible was dictated by God. The entire story is HERE. Case Closed.

I seem to remember a passage about "Jews and Gentiles" You claim to read the bible every day, do you remember which one that was?

Look it up yourself. Don't be lazy! Surely you own at least one copy of the Holy KJV1611 Bible?!

No, but they have the right to test that law's constitutionality, which has been done, that's why the supreme court is so despised in "True Christian circles"

True Christians™ do not despise anything but sin and the works of satan. Activist judges and that demon Clinton are responsible for every problem America faces today, from terrorist attacks to legal baby slaughter to special rights for sodomites like you. Jesus hates them. Look it up.

Then on that note, Bill Clinton also got his authority from Jesus

GWB was hand-picked by Jesus Himself to lead our nation in the 2000 election. Jesus saved us from 4 years of communist oppression under Al Gore, and you should get down on your knees and thank Him every day for that alone!

-Sigh- no matter how many time I say "Contradiction, you simply answer with semantics, I am going to take my leave of this post, I am tired this pointless back and forth.

Why don't you just leave altogether? You are only here to spew hatred and mock God. Isn't "Songebob" on TV now, or some other homer cartoon? Come back when you grow up and are ready to have an actual conversation with the Lord.

[shaunasaurus]

Re: Um, Hello.

Why don't you just leave altogether? You are only here to spew hatred and mock God. Isn't "Songebob" on TV now, or some other homer cartoon? Come back when you grow up and are ready to have an actual conversation with the Lord.

As a pastor arn't you supposed to share the love of God with people?
Instead of degrading them?
And pushing away their beliefs and shoving your's down their throats?
He isn't mocking God, but you seem to be, by being very cruel. God only wants love among people, and wants to give love to his billions of children as well.
Just because someone is different from you does not mean they are spawn of Satan, it just means they are different, but God still loves them.
And didn't we learn way back in 1st grade to not bother with differences and just love one another? And we learned that in Sunday School too, didn't we.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Um, Hello.

Just because someone is different from you does not mean they are spawn of Satan, it just means they are different, but God still loves them.

This is what we learned in Sunday school.

1. Matthew
2. While insulting the Pharisees and Sadducees, John the Baptist calls an entire generation a "generation of vipers." 3:7
3. Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
4. Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
5. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
6. "the children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
7. Jesus tells his disciples to keep away from the Gentiles and Samaritans, and go only to the Israelites. 10:5-6
8. Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
9. Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
10. "Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." 10:33
11. Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
12. Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
13. "He that is not with me is against me." 12:30
14. "Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him." 12:31-32
15. Jesus often called people names. One of his favorites was to call his adversaries a "generation of vipers." 12:34
16. Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50
17. Jesus refuses to heal the Canaanite (Mk.7:26 says she was Greek) woman's possessed daughter, saying "it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs." 15:22-26
18. The ever-so-kind Jesus calls the Pharisees "hypocrites, wicked, and adulterous." 15:2-3
19. In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13
20. Jesus condemns the Jews for being "the children of them which killed the prophets." 23:31
21. Jesus blames his the Jews (who were then living) for "all the righteous blood" from Abel to Zecharias, 23:35
22. The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30
23. Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41
24. "His blood be on us, and on our children." This verse blames the Jews for the death of Jesus and has been used to justify their persecution for twenty centuries. 27:25
25. Mark
26. Jesus becomes angry at those who said that he had "an unclean spirit," so he announces the unforgivable sin: "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost." 3:29
27. Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
28. Jesus initially refuses to cast out a devil from a Syrophoenician woman's daughter, calling the woman a "dog". After much pleading, he finally agrees to cast out the devil. 7:27
29. If you're ashamed of Jesus, he'll be ashamed of you. (And you'll go straight to hell.) 8:38
30. Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16
31. Luke
32. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9
33. John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17
34. Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15
35. Jesus says, "He that is not with me is against me." 11:23
36. Those who "blaspheme against the Holy Ghost" will never be forgiven. 12:10
37. God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
38. According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30
39. Jesus also believes the story about Noah's flood and Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
40. In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words of Jesus: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
41. John
42. People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
43. The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36
44. John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the Jews persecuted Jesus and "sought to slay him." 5:16, 18
45. John says that Jesus "would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." 7:1
46. No one could speak openly about Jesus "for fear of the Jews." 7:13
47. If you don't believe in Jesus, you will "die in your sins" (and then go to hell). 8:24
48. Jesus calls his opponents (the Jews) the sons of the devil. 8:44
49. Once again, "the Jews" are accused of trying to kill Jesus. 11:8
50. If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. 12:48
51. Jesus is the only way to heaven. All other religions lead to hell. 14:6
52. John blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 19:7, 12, 14-15
53. "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father."
    If you follow Jesus' teachings, God will love you -- otherwise... well, you know. 14:21
54. Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
55. Now that Jesus has come, non-believers have no excuse for not believing in him. 15:22
56. John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the disciples hid in locked room "for fear of the Jews." 20:19
57. Acts
58. Peter blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 3:14-15
59. Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
60. God will torture forever those who don't know the password to heaven. 4:12
61. Once again, Peter accuses the Jews of murdering Jesus. 5:30
62. Stephen blames the Jews for persecuting the prophets and murdering Jesus. 7:51-52
63. After Saul "increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews," the "Jews took counsel to kill him." 9:22-23
64. The Jews are again blamed for the death of Jesus. 10:39
65. Herod kills James the brother of John and imprisons Peter "because he saw it pleased the Jews." 12:1-3
66. The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23
67. Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
68. The Jews of Antioch, after seeing Paul's success in preaching, were envious and blasphemed God. Paul then declares them to be "unworthy of everlasting life." 13:45-46
69. Once again "the Jews stirred up" trouble and "raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts." 13:50
70. "The unbelieving Jews" stir up trouble again for Paul and incite the people to try to stone him to death. 14:2-5
71. In Thessalonica, "the Jews which believed not, moved with envy" stir up trouble for Paul and his friends. 17:5, 13
72. "And when they [the Jews of Corinth] opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he [Paul] shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads." (Have a nice day?) 18:6
73. "The Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat." 18:12
74. The first Christian book burning occurs when Paul's converts at Ephesus burn 50,000 silver pieces worth of books. 19:19
75. Poor Paul complains, once again, of being mistreated by "the Jews." 20:19
76. The Jews, once again, incite the people to kill poor old Paul 21:27, 31
77. The Jews form a grand conspiracy to kill Paul. They vow not to eat until the job is done. 23:12-15
78. Claudius saves Paul from being killed by the Jews. 23:27
79. Those pesky Jews caught Paul and and tried to kill him. But he got away. Darn! 26:21
80. Romans
81. "The wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 1:18-20
82. The existence and nature of God are self-evident; thus, unbelievers are "without excuse." 1:20
83. God abandons those who don't know him to "uncleanness and vile affections." 1:24, 26, 28
84. With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28
85. Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
86. Paul says that those who accuse him of lying deserve damnation. 3:8
87. "He that doubteth is damned ... Whosoever is not of faith is sin." 14:23
88. Shun those who disagree with your religious views. 16:17
89. 1 Corinthians
90. Christians can judge everything and everybody, but no non-Christian can judge them. 2:15
91. "Put away from among yourselves that wicked person."
    Stay away from "fornicators", "idolaters", and "drunkards". Do not associate, speak to, or eat dinner with such "wicked" people. 5:9-13
92. "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?" 6:2
93. Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10
94. Don't be an idolater. If you become one, God will make you sit down to eat and then rise up to play. 10:7
95. Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
96. Gentiles sacrifice to devils. If you have gentile friends, then you are friends with devils. 10:20
97. Those who don't love Jesus are to be "anathema" (damned). 16:22
98. 2 Corinthians
99. All non-Christians are blind. They were blinded by God to prevent them from seeing the truth. 3:14-16
100. "The god of this world" has blinded the minds of nonbelievers. 4:3-4
101. Keep away from unbelievers. Neither marry nor be friends with them. 6:14-17
102. Christians cannot be freethinkers, since all their thoughts and imaginings must be brought into captivity in obedience to Christ. 10:5
103. Paul says he "will not spare" when he comes back to punish those who have sinned. 13:2
104. Are you a reprobate? Here's the test: if you know for sure that Jesus is in you, you're not a reprobate. Otherwise you are. 13:5
105. Galatians
106. If anyone dares to disagree with Paul on religious matters, "let him be accursed." 1:8-9
107. Those who try to follow the law are cursed 3:10
108. "I would they were even cut off which trouble you." Gosh, that doesn't sound very nice. But I wonder what Paul meant by "cut off". The New Revised Standard Version translates this verse as: "I wish those who unsettle you would castrate themselves!" 5:12
109. Witches, idol worshippers, and heretics will not go to heaven. (Guess where they'll be going.) 5:20-21
110. Philippians
111. Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. 2:10-11
112. "Beware of dogs ... beware of the concision." I'm not sure who Paul is calling "dogs" here, but it's probably the Jews -- those of "the circumcision," as opposed to Christians, who are of the "true circumcision." 3:2
113. 1 Thessalonians
114. God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
115. Paul accuses "the Jews" of killing Jesus, persecuting the prophets, displeasing God, and being "contrary to all men." He concludes that the wrath of God will "come upon them to the uttermost. 2:15-16
116. 2 Thessalonians
117. Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9
118. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
119. Shun those who disagree with your interpretation of this epistle. 3:6, 14
120. 1 Timothy
121. "Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme." Apparently (see 2 Tim.2:16-18 and 4:14-15) their "blasphemy" was disagreeing with Paul. 1:20
122. Stay away from those who discuss important matters -- especially if they disagree with Paul. 6:5
123. Paul instructs Timothy to avoid science, especially that which disagrees with him ("science falsely so called"). Other versions translate this phrase as "false knowledge", which may be more correct. However many fundamentalist Christians still use this verse ("science falsely so called") to justify their rejection of any idea, scientific or otherwise, they believe contradicts the bible. 6:20
124. 2 Timothy
125. "If we deny him [Jesus], he will deny us." Fair is fair! 2:12
126. Shun non-believers and other profane babblers. 2:16
127. Hymenaeus and Philetus are condemned for disagreeing with Paul about the timing of the resurrection. (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.4:14-15) 2:17-18
128. "The Lord knoweth them that are his." This verse was used by the Catholic Church during the inquisition to justify killing those suspected of heresy. (Kill them all, for `the Lord knows them that are His'." ) 2:19
129. God will "reward" Alexander for the "blasphemy" of disagreeing with Paul. (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.2:16-18) 4:14
130. Titus
131. Jews are unruly liars "whose mouths must be stopped." 1:10-11
132. The people of Crete are "always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies." 1:12
133. Heretics are to be rejected since they are subverted, sinners, and condemned by God. 3:10-11
134. Hebrews
135. Every skeptic and nonbeliever has "an evil heart of unbelief." 3:12
136. It is impossible for fallen-away Christians to be saved. (Didn't the author know about confession or the finality of being saved?) 6:4-6
137. Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
138. If you're not a Christian, it's impossible to please God. 11:6
139. God saved Rahab because she believed. (He killed all the non-believers in Jericho.) 11:31
140. James
141. Whoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of God. 4:4
142. 1 Peter
143. Things may get rough for Christians, but it will really be hell for nonbelievers. 4:17-18
144. 2 Peter
145. The basic message of Christianity is "believe or be damned" and from this flows intolerance toward all non-Christians. But, as these verses show, Christian intolerance is often directed toward believers as well. Each group of Christians accuses the others of being "false teachers" of "damnable heresies" who will soon be damned to hell. 2:1-3
146. God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
147. God knows how to punish those that "despise government." 2:9-10
148. God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
149. 1 John
150. "Love not the world." 2:15
151. Every non-Christian is liar and an antichrist. 2:22, 4:2-3
152. Christians are alive; non-Christians are dead. 5:12
153. Christians are "of God;" everyone else is wicked. 5:19
154. 2 John
155. Non-Christians are deceivers and antichrists. 7
156. "Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." 9
157. Don't associate with non-Christians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 10
158. Jude
159. God destroys non-believers. 1:5
160. Revelation
161. False Jews are members of "the synagogue of Satan." 2:9
162. Those who obey God/Jesus until the end will rule everyone else with an iron rod. They'll even get to smash the others into smithereens. 2:26-27
163. God will make "the synagogue of Satan [that would be the Jews] ... come and worship before thy feet." (Whose feet? Well, the feet of Christians, of course!) 3:9
164. The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
165. 144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4
166. The angels are instructed not to "hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads." God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won't let them. 9:4-6
167. Only 144,000 celibate men will be saved. (Those who were not "defiled with women.") 14:1-4
168. Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." 14:10-11
169. Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15
170. All liars, as well as sorcerers, idolaters, and those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8
171. "Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters" and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city. 22:15