[OnYourKnees]

Re: Hey

You do know that this is a remake by King James, and is not the original words of God, right? Technically, if you want the true bible, you have to learn Aramaic. And personally, I don't see what a difference a few words changed here and there make. My Bible is the NIV. All that matters is that you understand the meaning behind the words.

The KJV1611 is not a "remake", as you call it. King James was called upon by God to have the Bible translated into English, to wrest control of the (then only in Latin and Greek) Word of God from the Catholic Church. His scribes were supervised by God in the translation of His Word.

Now, you say that all that matters is understanding the meaning behind the words. OK, but when the words change, the meaning is different too.

The "translators" of the New Infidel Version decided to simply DROP scores of verses that they didn't like.

Here is an excellent article on the subject of the NIV: http://www.biblebelievers.com/williams_d1.html

And a heap of other articles on the subject of Bible versions:

http://www.biblebelievers.com/BibleVersions.html

Meanwhile, this is my favorite article on the subject of KJV vs. NIV: http://temcat.com/NIV-KJV.htm

And I include this passage from the beginning of the article as a sample:

I get no scarcity of questions on the Bible. These questions come by phone—many by long distance, by visitors, and by mail. Many of the questions are regarding the confusing flood of new versions of the Bible. This is especially true in respect to the New International Version, commonly referred to as the NIV. Seeing the NIV is now being urged by many, I am repeatedly asked why I do not also advocate the use of the NIV version and use it in my work of soulwinning.

As I believe it is my duty to give an answer, I will endeavour to pass on some clear and straight-forward reasons why I do not use the NIV, and never intend to use the NIV, in place of the time-honoured and sure King James Version.


Here is Luke 4:4 in the King James Version. In the NIV the underlined words are cut out:

Luke 4:4 "And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."

Luke 4:4 is not the only place where parts of the Word of God have been cut out. There are literally hundreds of omissions in the NIV.

This omission in Luke 4:4 makes the statement of Jesus of little sense. "But by every word of God." Now we have it. The Scriptures are to stay. The Word of God is to feed us. We are to live by the Scriptures. Here Jesus is in conflict with the devil and in this statement our Lord is revealing the efficient weapon against sin and Satan.

Is it not significant that this very mutilated version of Scripture cuts out the very passage that condemns it. This omitted passage condemns the NIV!


Note again that our Divine Guide is showing that man is to live by "every word of God." If "every word" is vital and we need "every word" what can be said in favour of a professed version that omits a whole verse? Not only that but omits scores of passages. I will never use in my work a mutilated version, no matter how popular it may be. The "Scripture of Truth" closes with these important words:-

Rev 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

I would fear to stand before the judgment bar of God, if I knowingly had used and upheld a version that had taken away from the Word of God.

We should remember also that this solemn warning against taking "away from the words" of God’s Holy Book is given by none other than our Lord Himself.

Have a look at these articles. Or google "KJV vs NIV". You'll find dozens more articles on the subject, all of them roundly condemning the NIV.

Sorry, Charlie. The Bible says not to add to or remove from it, and that's just what those NIV revisionists did. Conveniently, they revised to a version nearly identical to that used by Jehovah Witnesses, who deny the Divinity of Jesus!

The church you claim to attend says the following:

The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy. It reveals the principles by which God judges us, and therefore is, and will remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and religious opinions should be tried. All Scripture is a testimony to Christ, who is Himself the focus of divine revelation.

How, then, can this church support using a "version" which cuts out scores of entire verses?!

(Oh, wait, you didn't actually READ the website before saying you went there, did you?)

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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I'm pretty sure thats a sin, going against one of the 10 Commandments: Love thy neighbor.

You're own words shine the truth on your foul lies. You are no True Christian™. A True Christian™ would know the Bible, and you don't even know the Commandments.

Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

These are God's commandments! You'd do well to learn them and to live them! Enough of your friends who have recently joined this forum break enough of these on a daily basis (oh, the "artists" and their graven images). If you want to pretend to be a True Christian™, next time take at least a cursory glance at the source material. But there'd better not be a next time, mocker of God.

[talan1590 (On Moderation)]

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Okay, sorry, didn't know that On Your Knees. Really did not.

And I have another question that I really do not know. When I read this I was a little perplexed.

God makes it quite clear that musical instruments, when not played by one of His angels, can be twisted into tools of the Devil, and by their very operation can do great evil against our LORD. If I were you, I'd toss that trumpet onto a bonfire and pick up a Bible instead!

This was made by Virginia D. Templeton on the first page. If instruments can be twisted into forms of the Devil, then why did he give it to us to make on Earth instead of keeping it in Heaven?

[talan1590 (On Moderation)]

Re: Hey

Just because I know them does not mean they are my friends.

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Re: Hey

Another page for you to visit to check my Baptist Church.

http://www.woodlandheights.org/whbc/...bc/Default.asp

A more mincing bunch of weakly closeted homosexuals I never did see. Look, for example, at this prancing Webservant (coded BDSM reference, anyone?):



And check out the moustachio on Rev. Kent Dixon, the church's "Minister to Children" ().



It does a great job of hiding the stretch marks, eh, Kent?

And another of their "pastors" is named... I kid you not... Reverend Daniel Dykes! Yes, his last name is synonymous with lesbianism, something I'm sure the church is quite familiar with if this... lovely lady is any indication:



But it gets worse. This is from their statement of beliefs:

It is the duty of Christians to seek peace with all men on principles of righteousness. In accordance with the spirit and teachings of Christ they should do all in their power to put an end to war.

Sounds like someone never bothered to read the Bible.

Jeremiah 51:20
Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms

You can't make this stuff up. It's almost like their entire website is a parody intended to mock Christianity.

[Mom (Quarantined)]

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You can't make this stuff up. It's almost like their entire website is a parody intended to mock Christianity.

How ironic...

[talan1590 (On Moderation)]

Re: Hey

This is an assumption On Your Knees. How do you know for a fact that I don't go to Woodland Heights Baptist Church?

And they can't help what their names are. They were born with the last name. And the guy on the top picture is a college student at the University of Central Arkansas, and is one of the piano players for the youth choir. And he is not gay. Another assumption that I've found. Man, you guys just keep them coming.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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This is an assumption On Your Knees. How do you know for a fact that I don't go to Woodland Heights Baptist Church?

And they can't help what their names are. They were born with the last name. And the guy on the top picture is a college student at the University of Central Arkansas, and is one of the piano players for the youth choir. And he is not gay. Another assumption that I've found. Man, you guys just keep them coming.

Who is the Senior Pastor over there....Mark Foley?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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We've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are not a True Christian™, Talan (if that's your real name) as you like to claim, so why keep up the lies? So what's the truth behind this "church"? Is it really you and your friends sitting in your basement, getting liquored up and indulging in unnatural acts? Or do you gather around a pentagram and sacrifice the neighbourhood cats?

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Hey

This was made by Virginia D. Templeton on the first page. If instruments can be twisted into forms of the Devil, then why did he give it to us to make on Earth instead of keeping it in Heaven?

If God did not provide the means for temptation, then He would have no way to determine who would keep His commandments and who would not.

Think about it.

God put Adam and Eve into the Garden of Eden. There he put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and the Tree of Life. He told them not to eat of either, yes? He told them that if they ate of those trees, they would surely die.

Eve listened to a talking serpent, who told her that if she ate of the tree, she'd become wise and know right from wrong.

Yes, that means that until that point, Eve did not know right from wrong. She didn't know that disobeying God was wrong. She was unable to know, as she was truly and perfectly innocent.

So, she went ahead, so did Adam, and you know how it went from there.

Clearly, God provided the trees as temptation, as He already had eternal life and the knowledge of good and evil. Why else would He need to create such trees, other than to tempt His creation?

It's the same with musical instruments and everything else. They exist to provide tests of our faith, to see how we will use them. Will we use them to glorify God, or Satan? The choice is yours.

[talan1590 (On Moderation)]

Re: Hey

No, the senior pastor is David Hatfield. He has been a minister for at least 25 years now. And the music minister, Alan Moore, is taking his family to Singapore for at least 3 years on a mission trip.

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Re: Hey

Not everything that is a Christian organization can be proven with Biblical support. But I can tell you this. From what I've seen and been involved with, boy scout groups are Christian right? yes, I used to be a boy scout before I got involved with my music.

The BSA is just a wealthier, more famous version of NAMBLA, and one of the more hypocritical organizations in existence -- they claim to follow God's word when it comes to sodomy (stripping "gay" scouts of their badges and whatnot), but go to incredible lengths to cover up the pederastic abuses committed by their leaders, to the point where you barely hear about it even from balanced news sources!

But yes, they are another excellent example of the false Christian groups that I mentioned.

[talan1590 (On Moderation)]

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Oh, okay, that makes sense, thanks OnYourKnees.

And actually my name is Justin. I just use talan as my username. And you haven't proven anything. Unless you know me in person, you don't know anything about my true personality.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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And actually my name is Justin. I just use talan as my username. And you haven't proven anything. Unless you know me in person, you don't know anything about my true personality.

You claimed to be a True Christian™ but you thought "love thy neighbour" was one of the Commandments. That proves everything!

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Re: Hey

Unless you know me in person, you don't know anything about my true personality.

I don't understand -- are you saying that you're pretending to be someone you're not just because "it's the Internet?" God watches you type just as He hears your every spoken word, and he doesn't take kindly to such charades.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.