[Levi Jones]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

How did the Church of Christ tempt you? How were you able to overcome it?

Half of my family fell to that cult. It was hostile on Holidays between the Baptists and COC'ers.

Many of my cousins were part of the coc. They would take me to their churches and they were great guys. It was my father who had the strength to keep us away from it and our Pastor showing us in the Word that it wasn't the True© way.

It was a problem in West Texas during my time. It doesn't mean I can't still play dominoes with them (cards are evil). I just don't believe like they do.

Many of my family are alums of Abilene Christian University. I hear they have a pool table there now . My sister and I went to Hardin-Simmons.

[Ms. Fits]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

I cannot reconcile this user's 'handle' from the name of that disgusting band. That's all.

As long as God is OK with it, it does not matter what you think. As a caring person, I do however want you us to get along. Can I ask you to get past my handle so we can be in harmony?

[Ms. Fits]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

Half of my family fell to that cult. It was hostile on Holidays between the Baptists and COC'ers.

Many of my cousins were part of the coc. They would take me to their churches and they were great guys. It was my father who had the strength to keep us away from it and our Pastor showing us in the Word that it wasn't the True© way.

It was a problem in West Texas during my time. It doesn't mean I can't still play dominoes with them (cards are evil). I just don't believe like they do.

Many of my family are alums of Abilene Christian University. I hear they have a pool table there now . My sister and I went to Hardin-Simmons.

I understand. I've been involed in the CoC for a long time and they do make a compelling argument that they are the True Church. I hear that Baptists don't take communion every week. We're told that the new testament church met every first day to partake in His rememberance.

Also, how do to explain how the baptists use more than one cup for communion? Jesus said "This cup".. not "These cups". Does it not matter when we receive a direct command from our God?

And where is my Holy Kiss?

Kind Love,
Ms. Fits

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

I understand. I've been involed in the CoC for a long time and they do make a compelling argument that they are the True Church. I hear that Baptists don't take communion every week. We're told that the new testament church met every first day to partake in His rememberance.

The Bible has no commands as to when communion should be held. It's not a ritual. But it should not be done so often that it becomes routine and senseless.

1 Corinthians 11: 26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Also, how do to explain how the baptists use more than one cup for communion? Jesus said "This cup".. not "These cups". Does it not matter when we receive a direct command from our God?

If you are going to be that literal, are you drinking from the exact same cup Jesus used? If not then it's not "this cup" but "that cup"

And where is my Holy Kiss?

Kiss the Son.

Psalm 2: 12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Kind Love,
Ms. Fits

2 John 1: 9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

[Ms. Fits]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

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If you are going to be that literal, are you drinking from the exact same cup Jesus used? If not then it's not "this cup" but "that cup"

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It is true that we don't have "the" cup. But we must obey as closely to the first century church as we can. Introducing innovations such as a plurality of cups is of man, not of God. I bet you don't even take communion in an upper room.

The baptists also believe in Sunday school ... not found in scripture. In fact God's word tells us plainly to not split up into groups.
Now I beseech you...that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." 1 Corinthians 1:10

I've also heard that you pay your pastors. How convienant, no? This leads to the pastor being led by the purse-strings of the congregation. If you don't like what the preacher or paster says.. you can fire him so satisfy your itching ears:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Timothy 4:3

I ask you to think about how closely you follow God's word.

Ms. Fits

[Ms. Fits]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

Half of my family fell to that cult. It was hostile on Holidays between the Baptists and COC'ers.

Many of my cousins were part of the coc. They would take me to their churches and they were great guys. It was my father who had the strength to keep us away from it and our Pastor showing us in the Word that it wasn't the True© way.

It was a problem in West Texas during my time. It doesn't mean I can't still play dominoes with them (cards are evil). I just don't believe like they do.

Many of my family are alums of Abilene Christian University. I hear they have a pool table there now . My sister and I went to Hardin-Simmons.

Abilene Christian University is a bastian of Truth. People from west Texas should be so lucky to have it.

What is the difference between a baptist and methodist? The spelling.

In His Love,
Ms. Fits

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

Abilene Christian University is a bastian of Truth. People from west Texas should be so lucky to have it.

What is the difference between a baptist and methodist? The spelling.

In His Love,
Ms. Fits

Uh, there's a little more to it than that. The Methodless are false Christians who allow women and queers to be "pastors."

You'd better stop debating and start showing some respect for God's favorite Church if you want to retain your posting privileges lady.

[Ms. Fits]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

Uh, there's a little more to it than that. The Methodless are false Christians who allow women and queers to be "pastors."

You'd better stop debating and start showing some respect for God's favorite Church if you want to retain your posting privileges lady.

All glory to the Landover Baptist Church!

Love,
Ms. Fits

[Nobar King]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

I've been involed in the CoC for a long time

I hope you're not referring to another notorious punk rock music band.

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

Let's examine what Jesus said about it in Matthew, since you put preference on what He says.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

You don't get to pick and choose. Every word, unless where specifically overturned by the later texts in the OT or the NT.

Mr. Jones, it's interesting that you point out that Jesus said he came not to destroy, but to fulfill, the law. Galatians 3:13 tells us that "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law." Why would Jesus want to fulfill something that is a curse, or redeem people from something that he came to fulfill?

[Ms. Fits]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

I hope you're not referring to another notorious punk rock music band.

I don't know what you're talking about. I thought my "All glory to the Landover Baptist Church" showed that my conformity to the expected behavior on this forum is not corroding, but rather being built-up in His Holy Name.

Kind Love,
Ms. Fits

[Nobar King]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

Close, but that's not what I was referring to. Those punk rockers do not honor Jesus, they spit in his face.

[Dr. Warren Wierdsbe]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

I've researched this a bit and found that while the Baptists did participate in the American Restoration movement, the Church of Christ is not an offshoot per say.

The Bible does not autherize instermental music in worship. We are told to sing spiritual songs. It is odd how people can miss that.

When James says faith without deeds is dead... how else can you interpret it?

Hmmf. Another Salad Bar Christian. Throughout the entire Old Testament, instrumental music is used to worship God. All kinds of instruments, as we can see here:

2 Samuel 6 (AV1611 King James Bible)

1Again, David gathered together all the chosen men of Israel, thirty thousand.
2And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims.
3And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart.
4And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark.
5And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.

The Psalms also have reference to timbrels and harps for the worship of God. So you see, you are listening to what some man told you, and not the Word of God.

Once again we see proof texts used with no context to make a pretext. Is baptism necessary for Salvation(R)? I don't even need to ask you for the very few verses you use to prove this Satanic false lie.

Luke 3

3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

This is a terrible misappropriation of the word "for." Those who claim salvation through baptism falsely read this verse this way: "preaching baptism to provide the remission of sins. This does great violence to the verse. This verse actually says, "preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." In other words, the baptism is the outward sign of the inward repentance.

John 3

3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Ohhhh, this is the "big one." "Have you been born of water and of the Spirit?" the preacher asks. He assumes that the "water" here is the baptismal water. Some use a font, some use a bathtub, some get closer to the Scripture and baptize in a river. Regardless, if they consider it a means of salvation, they lie the lie of Satan and will spend eternity in HELL for the souls they led astray!!!

Here's what this lovely passage of Scripture really says:

You must be born again. That much we all agree on. But Nicodemus was a bit dense, and asked, "how can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"

The problem here, with both Nicodemus and these silly "preachers," is that they are unable to look beyond the base flesh of this world. Jesus was not talking about being born of this baptismal water and of the Spirit! Not at all! The metaphor is being "born again" or "reborn." Nicodemus was half right on this one! The first birth is the birth of water, and Jesus was referring to the mother's water that breaks at birth!

But what makes a man righteous? I suggest you read my sermon about the Breastplate of Righteousness in my ongoing series, "Spiritual Warfare: The Whole Armor of God."

The most recent topic is just this, what kind of righteousness do we have? Of works? or of faith? Abraham is the example in the book of Romans:

Romans 4 (AV1611 King James Bible)


Quote:
1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now what belief was it that Abraham had in God? That He is perfect? Or that He is Holy? Or that He is omnipotent? Not at all! This most important Promise that God gave Abraham was that he would be able to father children! What a blessing from God to be able to partner with God in producing little Soldiers for Christ!
Quote:

13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
(What can we say about this? God had already indicated that Sarah's usefulness was at an end because she was barren. And yet Abraham stayed with her. Why? If she couldn't make warriors for Christ [in anticipation of Him], what good was she? Yet he stayed...a mystery)
20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
(Abraham believed God’s Promise that he would be the father of many nations.)
22And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Wow! One hundred years old! What a miracle that Abraham believed God that he’d be able to get his faith up (this might be called God’s Viagra) and it was counted unto him for righteousness. The greatest thing about this was, apparently God’s Viagra opened things up for Abraham, and he was able to take more wives and bear more children even later in life!

I suggest you read the entire thing, it's an in-depth study of how True Christians(TM) come by their righteousness.

In Christ,
Warren

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

It is true that we don't have "the" cup. But we must obey as closely to the first century church as we can. Introducing innovations such as a plurality of cups is of man, not of God. I bet you don't even take communion in an upper room.

Do you also require only thirteen people be present?

The baptists also believe in Sunday school ... not found in scripture. In fact God's word tells us plainly to not split up into groups.
Now I beseech you...that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." 1 Corinthians 1:10

The epistle is addressed to the adult members of that church. Later on in this letter, Paul writes this:

1 Corinthians 13: 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

I've also heard that you pay your pastors. How convienant, no? This leads to the pastor being led by the purse-strings of the congregation. If you don't like what the preacher or paster says.. you can fire him so satisfy your itching ears:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Timothy 4:3

I ask you to think about how closely you follow God's word.

Ms. Fits

Now here's where you are wrong. Here at Landover we simply do not throw Pastors out because we don't like what they preach. We listen to everything our Pastors tell us, whether we like it or not. Not one of our members would ever dare to contradict or disagree with them on any matter, we accept all they tell us and we do all they us.

[Ms. Fits]

Re: Hi From Tulsa!

Hmmf. Another Salad Bar Christian. Throughout the entire Old Testament, instrumental music is used to worship God. All kinds of instruments, as we can see here:


The Psalms also have reference to timbrels and harps for the worship of God. So you see, you are listening to what some man told you, and not the Word of God.

Once again we see proof texts used with no context to make a pretext. Is baptism necessary for Salvation®? I don't even need to ask you for the very few verses you use to prove this Satanic false lie.


This is a terrible misappropriation of the word "for." Those who claim salvation through baptism falsely read this verse this way: "preaching baptism to provide the remission of sins. This does great violence to the verse. This verse actually says, "preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." In other words, the baptism is the outward sign of the inward repentance.



Ohhhh, this is the "big one." "Have you been born of water and of the Spirit?" the preacher asks. He assumes that the "water" here is the baptismal water. Some use a font, some use a bathtub, some get closer to the Scripture and baptize in a river. Regardless, if they consider it a means of salvation, they lie the lie of Satan and will spend eternity in HELL for the souls they led astray!!!

Here's what this lovely passage of Scripture really says:

You must be born again. That much we all agree on. But Nicodemus was a bit dense, and asked, "how can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"

The problem here, with both Nicodemus and these silly "preachers," is that they are unable to look beyond the base flesh of this world. Jesus was not talking about being born of this baptismal water and of the Spirit! Not at all! The metaphor is being "born again" or "reborn." Nicodemus was half right on this one! The first birth is the birth of water, and Jesus was referring to the mother's water that breaks at birth!

But what makes a man righteous? I suggest you read my sermon about the Breastplate of Righteousness in my ongoing series, "Spiritual Warfare: The Whole Armor of God."

The most recent topic is just this, what kind of righteousness do we have? Of works? or of faith? Abraham is the example in the book of Romans:


I suggest you read the entire thing, it's an in-depth study of how True Christians™ come by their righteousness.

In Christ,
Warren

A thoughtful response that I will address in the near future. Thank you.

Kind Love,
Ms. Fits