[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Proud Atheist

Oh, but you still do not get me.

No one gets you. Your parents didn't get you. Your ex didn't get you. No one gets you. Why? No one cares about you. You are insignificant. You can still fix this by choosing Jesus though! Job 8:7 "Though thy beginning was small, yet thy latter end should greatly increase."

[James Hutchins]

Re: Proud Atheist

I am sorry, it was my mistake. What i meant was, can you imagine how ill she would become, were she raped by a child molester?? In that situation it certainly cannot be her fault at all.

Sorry again.

A rape cannot make a person ill unless the other person has a cold, flu or some infectious disease. These days, if you think you are exposed to something, there are effective medicines to prevent getting sick. So failing to take one of these remedies does in fact, make it her fault if she gets sick. She had a choice to make and she made the wrong one. How can you possibly defend her?

[humble servant]

Re: Proud Atheist

Do you believe in genocide?

If yes: why do you think it's right to murder huge numbers of people?

If no: so you don't hate genocide? You are a MONSTER! No wonder Hitler was an atheist.


That fallacy is called "poisoning the well".


You just used a fallacy yourself.

As a True Christian™, I demand integrity on your part if we are to continue this conversation under the pretense of intellectual equality.

That is ridiculous. Genocide is something that exists whenever some one or some group of people make it happen. To believe in it is not to support it. Belief in it can be from evidence that it took place so belief in it and support of it are two entirely different things.

I hope the complete idiocy which you displayed in your response was merely a sign of your poor sense of humour and not your true intellect.

[GOD=life]

Re: Proud Atheist

I hope the complete idiocy which you displayed in your response was merely a sign of your poor sense of humour and not your true intellect.

In rational discourse, the use of such an ad hominem fallacy ("personal attack" in pedestrian vernacular) is the display of poor intellect.

I ask again: do you believe in genocide? [yes/no]

[BBPony]

Re: Proud Atheist

I found it coincidental that Atheist chose the 7 year old girl example. I believe he may have read the story of the 7yo that was raped after being sold by her sister for that purpose. I think he was saying how can that be her fault when she didn't want it. It is in the news, but I wouldn't recommend reading it if you have heart problems, your blood pressure will rise. My feelings on rape are mine, but crimes against children have a special place in my heart and I hope and pray that those responsible will pay the ultimate price.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Proud Atheist

I found it coincidental that Atheist chose the 7 year old girl example. I believe he may have read the story of the 7yo that was raped after being sold by her sister for that purpose. I think he was saying how can that be her fault when she didn't want it. It is in the news, but I wouldn't recommend reading it if you have heart problems, your blood pressure will rise. My feelings on rape are mine, but crimes against children have a special place in my heart and I hope and pray that those responsible will pay the ultimate price.

I have not read that story, but I don't pay a lot of attention to the news, it upsets me too much.

Her sister had no right to sell her, only a father/husband has that right. This is disgusting. As for the girl who was raped, the Bible is quite clear, if she calls out and nobody hears her, she is free from sin, but if she does not cry out, then she is just as guilty as the man and both should be punished.

The Bible also speaks of damsels, which means young women. In no way is a 7-year-old a damsel. That's just wrong.

[GOD=life]

Re: Proud Atheist

7 years is clearly below age of marriage

[Aristotle]

Re: Proud Atheist

The difference is enormous. I cannot feel anything towards someone or something I do not believe in. Therefore, I do not love Jesus, nor do I hate him. My rationality only permits me to feel something towards something or someone I can see, or at least towards something or someone I am certain exists. For example, I can say I hate my P.E. teacher, for I can see him everyday, and thence it is quite logical to feel something towards him. Towards Jesus I simply do not feel, for I cannot.

And now that we are talking about hatred, I reckon I read on this forum that god hates all sinners, so as I said before, if gos is perfect, he cannot sin, if he cannot sin, he cannot hate, so how can you explain he hates sinners?

Moreover, answering to Pastor Ezekiel's question, if you deem my argument about belief and emotions incorrect, I need not love Jesus, for he and god are the same, and god hates sinners. Therefore, Jesus also hates sinners. I stated that I do not believe in Jesus, so according to you, I am a sinner, so Jesus hates me. If he hates me, why should I love him? Allegedly he is the omnipotent being, and is the one who should give the example. And if he expects me to love him without his loving me, then is is greatly egotist, and if I am not mistaken, selfishness is also a sin. So Jesus, and thence god, is a sinner. It seems to me that the "god is perfect" argument is a bit flawed.

Opinions please!!

Is there something in your childhood that caused you to hate Jesus?

Jesus loves you and if you don't return his love, he will send you to Hellfire. Yes, I have read Milton (and Dante) and the sinners in Hell are in constant torment. You don't want that, do you?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Proud Atheist

I've never understood the concept of applying logic to God. How can Almighty God be bound by our feeble human understanding of logic? If He were thus bound, He wouldn't be omnipotent, now would He be?

[tegs mckeg]

Re: Proud Atheist

So, whilst on another forum, I found a link which led me here, specifically to the "It's your fault if I rape you" post. I read most of what had been written there and came to the conclusion that this forum is plagued with ignorant and sexist people, and I posted something for which I received an infraction from some Pastor Ezequiel. He called me a "Sassy-Mouthed Feminazi Bitch", which I partly do not get, for I am not a nazi, and not a woman, so I cannot be a bitch. This further showed me the ignorance displayed by this particular forum member. However, he did suggest I post here, and so I am doing.

He also told me I made a fool of myself, but there was also an enormous lack of arguments there. True, I did not read the rules, but anyways, who does? So, I want the questions I asked on that thread to be answered, for after all, you may convince me.

He told me that I was sending myself to hellfire. Well, I must say that if Satan is as John Milton depicted him on Paradise Lost, I really do not mind going to hell. But taking into account the ignorance displayed up to now by members of this forum, I highly doubt you know what Paradise Lost is, let alone have read it.

As a final note, I would like to apologise once again for my bad English. I truly hope you do not mind. And by the way, if there is something you do not like here, then there is no need to PM me, you can openly say what you want to say, and I am not all that succeptible, so if you cannot come with a better responce than one filled with insults, do not doubt to post it also, for I will not be offended.


Thank you all.

Thanks for you post I enjoyed reading it.

[tegs mckeg]

Re: Proud Atheist

So only women can be bitches? That's so sexist.


Do you believe in genocide?

If yes: why do you think it's right to murder huge numbers of people?

If no: so you don't hate genocide? You are a MONSTER! No wonder Hitler was an atheist.


That fallacy is called "poisoning the well".


You just used a fallacy yourself.

As a True Christian™, I demand integrity on your part if we are to continue this conversation under the pretense of intellectual equality.

hitler wasnt an athiest he was a catholic

[James Dewitt]

Re: Proud Atheist

hitler wasnt an athiest he was a catholic

what is the difference . Atheist or catherlik neither are Christian

[GOD=life]

Re: Proud Atheist

Idol-worshipping, child molestation and protection of pedophiles aren't Christian values, so I'd say that catholics aren't Christian.