[Levi Jones]

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That's where you are wrong. It is with the coming of Jesus that the Hebrews sacrifices were no longer desirable. Jesus came to accomplish the old laws, and teach a new way to follow God.

Did I not quote scripture, friend? I see you telling me a bunch of stuff, but I'm not seeing the verses.

Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

[Jedediah]

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Why would the meaning of "speaking in tongues" in Acts 10 or Acts 19 differ from the meaning of "speaking in tongues" in Acts 2? I see no indication in either of those chapters that "speaking in tongues" means jibber-jabbery gobbledy-gook. However, Acts 2 is quite clear that the Apostles were speaking in an actual language, not retard-speak.

Acts 2:4-6
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Tell me, friend, what is your evidence that "speaking in tongues" translates to "jibber-jabber" in other verses of Scripture?

Further, I noticed that you told Pastor Levi that he is wrong while completely ignoring the verse of Scripture he provided for you. Why is Pastor Levi wrong? Is the Bible wrong, or do your beliefs supersede God's Word because you want to be right?

[EPH289]

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No, this is not part of the pentecostal churches. It's like some Baptiste church that do believe in the holy spirit acting through men in deep praises. It's not part of the pentecostal curriculum if you prefer.

[BelieverInGod]

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No, this is not part of the pentecostal churches. It's like some Baptiste church that do believe in the holy spirit acting through men in deep praises. It's not part of the pentecostal curriculum if you prefer.

**sigh**
It's sad when someone belongs to a church and doesn't even know what it believes.

What Pentecostals believe

Initial physical evidence of Spirit Baptism
we believe that the first outward sign of having received baptism in the holy spirit is speaking in tongues. (acts 2.4) This tongues-speaking is similar in nature to the "gift of tongues" which paul describes in 1 cor 12-14, but different in purpose and use.

This link talks about the magic powers you receive as a Pentecostal
Supernatural signs WILL accompany your ministry

Now what did Brother Jedediah post about the Antichrist? Oh yeah....

II Thessalonians 2:8-12
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Revelation 13:13-14
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

[EPH289]

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**sigh**
It's sad when someone belongs to a church and doesn't even know what it believes.

What Pentecostals believe

Initial physical evidence of Spirit Baptism
we believe that the first outward sign of having received baptism in the holy spirit is speaking in tongues. (acts 2.4) This tongues-speaking is similar in nature to the "gift of tongues" which paul describes in 1 cor 12-14, but different in purpose and use.

This link talks about the magic powers you receive as a Pentecostal
Supernatural signs WILL accompany your ministry

Now what did Brother Jedediah post about the Antichrist? Oh yeah....

II Thessalonians 2:8-12
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Revelation 13:13-14
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

I see you quote verse of the bible to go against other verse of the bible. Don't you think that is counter productive?

1 Corinthians 12:4-11 (New International Version)


4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.


To the common of mortal all of these can been seen a supernatural, as it is not coming naturally to a human, but from a higher power, or superpower. Hence the term supernatural.

[EPH289]

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And if you really want to know what the Pentecostal church of Canada is, for your own persuit of better understanding and knowledge.

Here is the main website.

And here is the STATEMENT OF FUNDAMENTAL AND ESSENTIAL TRUTHS.

[MitzaLizalor]

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I am having difficulty following this thread, however Mr. Jedediah's link to the information about "Christian rock bands" was very helpful.

and then,

..drunk from the love of God

Surely getting “drunk” without drinking anything is demonic? and suggesting otherwise is mocking:

13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine

Complicated explanations of plain language can only be satanic, and I looked up Sister Believer’s reference, and sure enough there was the plain language
ACTS 2:15 For these are not drunken
Perhaps Québécois don’t understand the difference?
1.. “Are these men drunk?”
2.. “No.”
3.. (oh, there isn’t a “3”)

Perhaps one of the Pastors could confirm my worries about demons?

[MitzaLizalor]

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(sorry, I forgot to ask this)
Isn't the new international version demonic?

P.S. Do Canadians really drink poison?

[EPH289]

Re: Hello and first of

I am having difficulty following this thread, however Mr. Jedediah's link to the information about "Christian rock bands" was very helpful.

and then,
Surely getting “drunk” without drinking anything is demonic? and suggesting otherwise is mocking:

Complicated explanations of plain language can only be satanic, and I looked up Sister Believer’s reference, and sure enough there was the plain language
ACTS 2:15 For these are not drunken
Perhaps Québécois don’t understand the difference?
1.. “Are these men drunk?”
2.. “No.”
3.. (oh, there isn’t a “3”)

Perhaps one of the Pastors could confirm my worries about demons?

The point being is that to some people it may look like they were drunk, but they were not they were under the influence of the holy spirit. This is what it is meant to be drunk from the love of god. It's that you look drunk, but you are not.

And of course we understand the difference, we ain't the ones with the problem of even locating your own states on a map, or to even know where Canada or Mexico, or even Brazil is on a map.

[Nobar King]

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Excuse me, Mr. Internet Church Police, do you visit every church website and criticize their devotion?

[EPH289]

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On most site I visited I haven't seen, racsim, antisemitism, and straight forward insults toward people and then call them selves Christians. Now if my prior comment seemed insulting it was left that way, if you don't like it why do you do it to other people? Now I'm not writing this to you personally Nobar King, but you comment read as if you were insulted by my own comment.

Luke 6:31 Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

[Nobar King]

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Excuse me, Mr. Internet Church Police, do you visit every church website and criticize their devotion?

Luke 6:31 Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

How about you give us your website and then I'll go over there and criticize your devotion to Jesus Christ. Do you think you'd like that?

[EPH289]

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How about you give us your website and then I'll go over there and criticize your devotion to Jesus Christ. Do you think you'd like that?

You'd have a hard time, I don't have a website

Second, If you read my first post in this thread you will know why I voiced my concerns about this forum. Maybe you should really reflect if that's the kind of devotion God really wants his children to show. Intolerance, racism, lack of show of Christian love to those who are unsaved, or those who are Christian but of a different views than yours.

[Seth Campbell]

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I see you quote verse of the bible to go against other verse of the bible. Don't you think that is counter productive?

1 Corinthians 12:4-11 (New International Version)


4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.


To the common of mortal all of these can been seen a supernatural, as it is not coming naturally to a human, but from a higher power, or superpower. Hence the term supernatural.

So you base your entire religion on two quotes from a false Bible. How wonderful.

Why don't you try picking up a REAL BIBLE and reading the whole thing.

Oh, and as far as my knowledge of Pentecostals, I have a cousin that belongs to that Hell bound heathen cult, she tricked me into going once as a teenager and I can tell you that the Holy Spirit told me to get out of there and never return.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I'd like to go back to this here, which you have not addressed.

Also, a simple answer for you, do you believe that God tolerates racism? Did he not sent his apostle to save the unchosen (non jews) first, and then the Hebrews? Showing that there should not be discrimination and racism.

Have you read the Bible? Seriously, have you ever cracked it open and read the words, or just listened to what your Pennycoastal preacher tells you to believe?

It's already been addressed that Jesus came to the Hebrews. He didn't preach to non-Jews. The apostles did so, after His death and resurrection. If you actually had read the Bible, you'd know this.

Jesus called non-Jews "dogs". Is that racism? He even made one such "dog" declare her inferiority before He would help her:

Mark 7

25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:

26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.

27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.

29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.

Who are the children? The Jews.

If one race are the "chosen people" and the "children", and all others are "dogs", as Jesus Himself said, what do you think? Does God see everyone as equal?