[BelieverInGod]

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Yes we are recognized by the Canadian government as a distinct society, called Quebecers, descendants of the Europeans French. Racism is not just on color of your skin, but where you are from also.

Although quebecers tend to see themselves as a superior race, they are Caucasian the same as English.

Then again they all tend to be like little 5-year-olds who get their panties in a bunch and threaten to run away from home (separate) whenever they don't get their way.

[Jedediah]

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French, huh? I guess that explains your sassy mouth.

So tell me, boy... you call yourself a Christian. Yet you sing and dance in a "Christian Rock" band? Like all other false Christian enterprises, "Christian Rock" is nothing but a deception, designed to lead Christ's elect away from Heaven and into a lifestyle of narcotics, fornication, and all manner of perversity and depredation.

Matthew 7:13-23
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What kind of "church" do you go to, son? Are you a ring-kissing, Mary-worshiping papist by chance? Brother Enoch tells me that Quebec is chock full of papists and communists. If this is the case, then you stand to learn a lot about your false beliefs from Pastor Ezekiel's sermon on Roman Cathlicks.

As a perfect True Christian™, it is my prerogative to judge unsaved trash. As Pastor Levi has already pointed out to you, God only forbids us to judge hypocritically. As one who no longer sins, there is no hypocrisy when I point out the sin in others. It is to the benefit of unsaved trash that I exercise my prerogative to judge, because it brings to their attention what they need to do to turn their life around if they are to join me at the bosom of Christ in Heaven.

While you are correct that we are saved through Grace, we cannot neglect our actions.

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Revelation 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

This is why we come down hard with tough love on mealy-mouthed unsaved trash like yourself and the slut whose title you took offense to. Your actions make Jesus cry. Does the LORD not scourge and chasten His children? (Hebrews 12:5-8) Does He not instruct us to rebuke unsaved trash? We are 100% Biblically Correct© at Landover Baptist, and we rebuke you because we love you.

II Timothy 4:1-5
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

I encourage you to spend some time on God's Favorite Forum© and learn to follow the True Gospel. As I told you before, I believe that God has brought you here for a reason. God loves you, and He wants you to join us with Him in Heaven.

I will keep you in my prayers.

YIC

[EPH289]

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No, I'm actually from a pentecostal church. Do you remember that in the old times, they used to rejoyced by dancing and signing to God, with cymbals, tambourines, horns, lute and many other kind of Instruments? Once again, it's not the kind of music, but the message that counts. In my music, even though I have electric guitars, drums, violins, pianos, bass. My words praises the Lord. And that is what is important.

[Levi Jones]

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And the only way to God, is not through your actions, but through Jesus, who is God.

Then why does the Bible say that we will ultimately be judged by our deeds repeatedly?

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

[EPH289]

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Although quebecers tend to see themselves as a superior race, they are Caucasian the same as English.

Then again they all tend to be like little 5-year-olds who get their panties in a bunch and threaten to run away from home (separate) whenever they don't get their way.

I wont enter such debate, as unless I'm mistaking, your from the USA right? Your people have went through the same path we are going. Trying to leave the then English empire to follow your own ideology. I think that with your history, you should actually be more appreciative of people that are trying to go through the same process you have. The only difference, is that we are not inclined in killing people of our Ideologies.

[Jedediah]

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So as a Pennycostal, do you think that jibber-jabbering, kissing snakes, having spasms, and banging on drums is going to get you into Heaven?

Do you or do you not believe it is necessary to do the Will of God?
(i.e., Works, as in Matthew 7:21 and James 2:26, which I quoted above.)

[EPH289]

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Then why does the Bible say that we will ultimately be judged by our deeds repeatedly?

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Our deed infront of God. If our thoughts, actions have been in line with his teachings. It's not through actual actions but from the fruits of your life. Do you bear the fruits, do you keep your faith strong. Do you follow the commandments, do you follow Jesus teaching of love for your fellow man. Those are the deeds that you have to show to God. Saving a man's life, or bringing someone that is not Christian to church will not change things. It's not by actions that we are saved, but by the grace of God. It's repeated multiple times throughout the bible. Jesus came to save us, through him he was the Ultimate sacrifice. Before that, the deeds of men to be saved was to sacrifice bulls and sheep's to atoned for their sins. With Jesus, those times were done, and it was through following his teaching and believing in him that we are saved. Am I saying that, Oh I praid to be saved and I'm done? no. You still have to keep that communication between you and God going, keep your faith strong through praying, reading the scriptures and praising his name. You have to keep the flame burning, just like a man between himself and his wife, keeps the love of their couple going.

[Levi Jones]

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No, I'm actually from a pentecostal church. Do you remember that in the old times, they used to rejoyced by dancing and signing to God, with cymbals, tambourines, horns, lute and many other kind of Instruments? Once again, it's not the kind of music, but the message that counts. In my music, even though I have electric guitars, drums, violins, pianos, bass. My words praises the Lord. And that is what is important.

Do you handle snakes at church? What is your opinion on this verse?

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

[EPH289]

Re: Hello and first of

So as a Pennycostal, do you think that jibber-jabbering, kissing snakes, having spasms, and banging on drums is going to get you into Heaven?

Do you or do you not believe it is necessary to do the Will of God?
(i.e., Works, as in Matthew 7:21 and James 2:26, which I quoted above.)

I believe that being under the influence of the Holy spirit as speaking in tongues is not for a man to judge, as it has been shown even to Peter, he was shown that the Holy spirit spoke in tongues through people that were not "saved". This came after he was shown by God, the table cloth three times with the then unholy animals to eat. Through out the bibles there are mentions of the holy spirit acting through the body of men and woman, speaking in tongues and having them drunk from the love of God. Do you actually say that you rebuke what is writing in the Bible?

[EPH289]

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Do you handle snakes at church? What is your opinion on this verse?

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Handling the snakes in church is a derivation of when Paul was bitten by a snake and didn't die when he was on the island of people that had never even heard of God and yet believed he was one due to not dying from the poison.

It's their own personal believe that if they truly believe in God then they will be protected. Do I agree? In principle I understand why they are doing it, but at the same time Jesus says, do not tempt faith. So no my church do not handle snakes in our gathering.

[Jedediah]

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I believe that being under the influence of the Holy spirit as speaking in tongues is not for a man to judge, as it has been shown even to Peter, he was shown that the Holy spirit spoke in tongues through people that were not "saved". This came after he was shown by God, the table cloth three times with the then unholy animals to eat. Through out the bibles there are mentions of the holy spirit acting through the body of men and woman, speaking in tongues and having them drunk from the love of God. Do you actually say that you rebuke what is writing in the Bible?

When the Holy Ghost gave the Apostles the gift of tongues, the listeners all heard the Apostles speak in their own language. They spoke foreign languages, not gibberish nonsense syllables.

Besides, the Apostolic signs and wonders were tools for witnessing to the Jews of the 1st century AD (I Cor 1:22), not for today; and the Bible warns us against people who claim to practice them today.

II Corinthians 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

I Timothy 4:1-2
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

In fact, the coming antichrist will gain his followers by working Apostolic signs and wonders.

II Thessalonians 2:8-12
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Revelation 13:13-14
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

[Levi Jones]

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It's not by actions that we are saved, but by the grace of God.

Then why do the verses I quoted you say the exact opposite? I always hear sola fide types go through these mental gymnastics to deny what those verses clearly state.

It's repeated multiple times throughout the bible. Jesus came to save us, through him he was the Ultimate sacrifice.

Of course He did. No one is denying that.

Before that, the deeds of men to be saved was to sacrifice bulls and sheep's to atoned for their sins. With Jesus, those times were done, and it was through following his teaching and believing in him that we are saved.

The Jews were still making sacrifices when Jesus came to earth, but it appears they were doing so against God's will.

Isaiah 1 11To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

[EPH289]

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When Peter when to the house of the unsaved. He was not the one speaking in tongues, They were. They did not know God, they did not read the scriptures. He was invited by them so He could teach them about his God. But the holy spirit had them Speak in tongues that Peter could not understand.

[EPH289]

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The Jews were still making sacrifices when Jesus came to earth, but it appears they were doing so against God's will.

That's where you are wrong. It is with the coming of Jesus that the Hebrews sacrifices were no longer desirable. Jesus came to accomplish the old laws, and teach a new way to follow God.

[BelieverInGod]

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I wont enter such debate, as unless I'm mistaking, your from the USA right? Your people have went through the same path we are going. Trying to leave the then English empire to follow your own ideology. I think that with your history, you should actually be more appreciative of people that are trying to go through the same process you have. The only difference, is that we are not inclined in killing people of our Ideologies.

Actually I'm born and raised Canadian, I only moved to the US a month ago. My father grew up in Northern Quebec. You don't want to leave, you want to have the Canadian dollar, Canadian protection, and everything good from Canada, but you don't want to deal with any of the real issues. You even ignore the people who live outside of the fort cities that don't want to leave. You know, all the people who live up in the North who are actually happy being Canadians. You're like 5-year-olds who run away to the tree fort and expect mommy to bring you milk and cookies and make it all right.

Handling the snakes in church is a derivation of when Paul was bitten by a snake and didn't die when he was on the island of people that had never even heard of God and yet believed he was one due to not dying from the poison.

It's their own personal believe that if they truly believe in God then they will be protected. Do I agree? In principle I understand why they are doing it, but at the same time Jesus says, do not tempt faith. So no my church do not handle snakes in our gathering.

Huh, I thought that was part of the Panticostal thing, to tempt fate prove your faith by handling snakes and drinking poison. Perhaps your leaders don't have the faith that you think they do.

When Peter when to the house of the unsaved. He was not the one speaking in tongues, They were. They did not know God, they did not read the scriptures. He was invited by them so He could teach them about his God. But the holy spirit had them Speak in tongues that Peter could not understand.

You just completely ignored everything that Brother Jedediah wrote. I'll repeat the scripture for you.

Acts 2
1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

So according to the Bible, if you are REALLY speaking in tongues, every person will understand you in their native language. Flopping around on the ground speaking gibberish is not a miracle.

That's where you are wrong. It is with the coming of Jesus that the Hebrews sacrifices were no longer desirable. Jesus came to accomplish the old laws, and teach a new way to follow God.

Of course you have scripture to back this up?