[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Yo.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...253#post505253

Is that love? Is it? No. It's bigotry and hatred. How many verses was it, again, who say love thy neighbor?

I see, you haven't ever read the Bible.

First of all, God makes it clear that some people are lower in His eyes than others. For example, Jesus initially refused to help a Greek woman whose daughter had a demon, telling her that it wasn't right to give the children's bread to the dogs. Yes, He was calling her inferior, subhuman, a dog. Only when she debased herself and begged Him, saying that even the dogs eat the crumbs the children drop, did He reluctantly agree to help her.

Mark 7. Also, Matthew 15. Read it.

As for "neighbour", I have a little homework for you to do. I want you to go to either bible.com or biblegateway.com. Set it to the King James Version, and search "neighbour".

See what it means in context. There are three common meanings; I'll let you find out what they are.

You will soon realize that not one of them means "anybody and everybody". In fact, not only is that not a common meaning; it's not the meaning even once.

You may also wish to search "hate". This way, you can find out who the Lord hates, and who He commands us to hate. The Bible informs us much more about who God hates than who He loves; He only loves those who obey Him completely. Everyone else, He will torture for all eternity in a Lake of Fire.

You don't think of that as "love", do you?

Now, your selected post does not demonstrate what you accused us of, which is cherry-picking verses for personal gain. Try again.

[Eric the Hax]

Re: Yo.

We do love our neighbors, you nincompoop. We have our own community in Freehold, Iowa.

Where does it say that your neighbor means the person right next to you and no one else? The Burden of Proof is on you. Don't try using the excuse of what it means today. Languages change, and the Bible was written long before English existed, and the translations (such as the KJV), they are exactly that: translations.

In fact, love thy neighbor isn't entirely needed when there's Jesus. Seriously. What do you think Jesus said? "Exterminate all the |racial slur| and |racial slur|!"? No.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Yo.

Where does it say that your neighbor means the person right next to you and no one else? The Burden of Proof is on you. Don't try using the excuse of what it means today. Languages change, and the Bible was written long before English existed, and the translations (such as the KJV), they are exactly that: translations.

In fact, love thy neighbor isn't entirely needed when there's Jesus. Seriously. What do you think Jesus said? "Exterminate all the |racial slur| and |racial slur|!"? No.

First of all, Landover Baptist has a strict zero tolerance policy when it comes to racism, and you should desist using hatespeech in this forum.

Second of all, if the words in the Bible don't mean what the words mean today, then how do you judge their meaning? It sounds to me like you just make up whatever meaning you like.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Yo.

Where does it say that your neighbor means the person right next to you and no one else? The Burden of Proof is on you. Don't try using the excuse of what it means today. Languages change, and the Bible was written long before English existed, and the translations (such as the KJV), they are exactly that: translations.

In fact, love thy neighbor isn't entirely needed when there's Jesus. Seriously. What do you think Jesus said? "Exterminate all the |racial slur| and |racial slur|!"? No.

I already told you how to find out what the Bible means by "neighbour".

If we tell you, you won't believe us anyway. You will claim we are "cherry-picking for our own gain".

Go look it up. You are the one applying a modern, liberal, fluffy-bunny false Christian meaning of "anybody and everybody".

[Eric the Hax]

Re: Yo.

I see, you haven't ever read the Bible.

First of all, God makes it clear that some people are lower in His eyes than others. For example, Jesus initially refused to help a Greek woman whose daughter had a demon, telling her that it wasn't right to give the children's bread to the dogs. Yes, He was calling her inferior, subhuman, a dog. Only when she debased herself and begged Him, saying that even the dogs eat the crumbs the children drop, did He reluctantly agree to help her.

Mark 7. Also, Matthew 15. Read it.

As for "neighbour", I have a little homework for you to do. I want you to go to either bible.com or biblegateway.com. Set it to the King James Version, and search "neighbour".

See what it means in context. There are three common meanings; I'll let you find out what they are.

You will soon realize that not one of them means "anybody and everybody". In fact, not only is that not a common meaning; it's not the meaning even once.

Now, your selected post does not demonstrate what you accused us of, which is cherry-picking verses for personal gain. Try again.

Fine. In that case, we're all going to Hell, because we are dogs who don't get Jesus' love. We're all going to Hell, because Jesus doesn't care about Americans. We're all going to hell, because as Americans, most of us are interracial and don't know it. I'm getting tired of replying to such stupid things as a belief that Jesus, who loves everyone, doesn't give two ****s about us because we're not perfect.

Is that what you believe in? Do you believe Jesus is a hate machine?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Yo.

Fine. In that case, we're all going to Hell, because we are dogs who don't get Jesus' love. We're all going to Hell, because Jesus doesn't care about Americans. We're all going to hell, because as Americans, most of us are interracial and don't know it. I'm getting tired of replying to such stupid things as a belief that Jesus, who loves everyone, doesn't give two ****s about us because we're not perfect.

Is that what you believe in? Do you believe Jesus is a hate machine?

If you read the Bible, which you haven't, you'd know that the apostles were sent to the Gentiles because the Jews rejected them.

Wow. Your ignorance is astounding.

Why don't you actually try reading the Bible, God's Word, before telling us what you THINK it says?

If you think Jesus loves everyone, then you have a very sick idea of what "love" is.

If you'd read the Bible, which we've solidly established you haven't, you'd know that the dead are dead until Judgment. The Saved will be resurrected to reign with Jesus on earth for 1,000 years. Then the unsaved will be resurrected bodily, judged, and cast into eternal torment in the Lake of Fire.

If God "loved" the unbelievers, wouldn't you think He would just leave them dead and unknowing? Instead, He will resurrect billions of people so He may torture them forever and ever. That's what you call "love"?

[Eric the Hax]

Re: Yo.

If you read the Bible, which you haven't, you'd know that the apostles were sent to the Gentiles because the Jews rejected them.

Wow. Your ignorance is astounding.

Why don't you actually try reading the Bible, God's Word, before telling us what you THINK it says?

If you think Jesus loves everyone, then you have a very sick idea of what "love" is.

If you'd read the Bible, which we've solidly established you haven't, you'd know that the dead are dead until Judgment. The Saved will be resurrected to reign with Jesus on earth for 1,000 years. Then the unsaved will be resurrected bodily, judged, and cast into eternal torment in the Lake of Fire.

If God "loved" the unbelievers, wouldn't you think He would just leave them dead and unknowing? Instead, He will resurrect billions of people so He may torture them forever and ever. That's what you call "love"?

Okay, that's it. I've been very patient with you. Proof that God loves everyone. Ever heard of tough love? Of course he'll punish the nonbelievers. If he didn't, what would be the point? Here's a verse for you: John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. That's the EXACT words from the KJV as seen on biblegateway. And if Jesus didn't love everyone, why did he DIE for everyone's SINS? Which also points back to John 3:16. whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. If you can't accept that, I am done speaking with you.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Yo.

Okay, that's it. I've been very patient with you. Proof that God loves everyone. Ever heard of tough love? Of course he'll punish the nonbelievers. If he didn't, what would be the point? Here's a verse for you: John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. That's the EXACT words from the KJV as seen on biblegateway. And if Jesus didn't love everyone, why did he DIE for everyone's SINS? Which also points back to John 3:16. whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. If you can't accept that, I am done speaking with you.

You seem to be skipping the key part of the verse, cherry-picker.

Whosoever believeth in Him.

Not EVERYONE. He did not die temporarily for EVERYONE, only for those who BELIEVE.

ALL non-Christians still go to Hell. So do false Christians like you, who pluck out half of one verse and treat the rest of God's Word as so much toilet paper.

Sorry, charlie. Enjoy Hell.

[Eric the Hax]

Re: Yo.

You seem to be skipping the key part of the verse, cherry-picker.

Whosoever believeth in Him.

Not EVERYONE. He did not die temporarily for EVERYONE, only for those who BELIEVE.

ALL non-Christians still go to Hell. So do false Christians like you, who pluck out half of one verse and treat the rest of God's Word as so much toilet paper.

Sorry, charlie. Enjoy Hell.

That's it, I'm done. 1) I mentioned tough love. Punishment is not an act of hatred, but a consequence.
2) He loves everyone and WANTS everyone to believe in him. Do you think he WANTS you to be evil and be damned to Hell? No. That's his punishment for not believing.
3) He gave his only begotten son. Why? For everyone's sins. The love is there, it's their choice to accept it.
4) Loved the world means loved the world. Not loved the perfect. If everyone believes in him, no one shall perish... Unless he did not love everyone.

I'm done here. I've taken all I could, you're too stubborn. BTW, hate is evil. Pure evil. If you're a christian, you should know that. You're going on YouTube. Congrats.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Yo.

That's it, I'm done. 1) I mentioned tough love. Punishment is not an act of hatred, but a consequence.

Resurrecting the dead so you may torture them for all eternity for not believing in you isn't love.

2) He loves everyone and WANTS everyone to believe in him. Do you think he WANTS you to be evil and be damned to Hell? No. That's his punishment for not believing.

It is "love" to demand faith and then punish those unable to give it? You have very sick ideas of what love is.

3) He gave his only begotten son. Why? For everyone's sins. The love is there, it's their choice to accept it.

No. For those who believe, ONLY for those who believe. AS YOU YOURSELF QUOTED.

4) Loved the world means loved the world. Not loved the perfect. If everyone believes in him, no one shall perish... Unless he did not love everyone.

I'm done here. I've taken all I could, you're too stubborn. BTW, hate is evil. Pure evil. If you're a christian, you should know that. You're going on YouTube. Congrats.

What exactly have you "taken"? You have never read the Bible. You insist that you know God's Word while never having read it, and are upset that we will not abandon God's Word for some random teenager's fluffy-bunny hippy love god . . . the one that you created in your own mind, the one who thinks what YOU think he should think, the one who loves everyone YOU think he should love, and whom YOU named "Jesus".

Please read the Bible, cherry-picker.

God hates many, and declares such in the Bible. Hatred therefore is not evil.

Psalm 11:5
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Did you get that? HATES THE WICKED.

However, there is no man that I hate. I want people to see the error of their ways and come to Jesus, abandoning their lives of sin, so they may avoid eternal torture.

Where do you think evil comes from? Seriously? Do you think anything can exist in the world, if it is not God's Plan?

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

GOD CREATES EVIL.

You actually believe that God loves all people, yet allows literally billions to grow up, live, and die never hearing the Gospel, meaning they must all spend eternity in Hell for simply being born in the wrong part of the world?

God knows all. He knows who will be Saved and who will not, before they are even born. He knows who will never learn of Him and will be damned from pure ignorance. Does He change it? No. Therefore, He must WANT them to go to Hell.

Fluffy bunny, read the Bible before telling others what it says, or who God is. All you are doing is giving sinners false hope and belief that they can continue in their lives of sin without infinite torture as punishment for finite sins.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.



Oh, and YouTube? What, you're going to make a video demonstrating to the world that you have never read the Bible yet claim to know what it says?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Yo.

That's it, I'm done. 1) I mentioned tough love. Punishment is not an act of hatred, but a consequence.

How is sending someone to Hell for an eternity "tough love"? Tough love is when you allow a consequence to happen to someone because it's the only way they'll learn. Like if your teenage son messes around with drinking, and you keep telling him to stop. Then he gets picked up by the cops and wants to be bailed out, but you leave him in there. Why? To teach him a lesson. You love him, but you're using tough love on him.

You, on the other hand, think that taking that teenage son and instead keeping him chained up in the basement for the rest of his life, complete with whippings and starvation, would constitute "tough love". There's no lesson to be learned...it's simply senseless, cruel punishment.

And senseless, cruel punishment is what God does to sinners by sending them to Hell. Why does He do that? Who are we to question His authority?

2) He loves everyone and WANTS everyone to believe in him. Do you think he WANTS you to be evil and be damned to Hell? No. That's his punishment for not believing.

Funny how the Bible mentions specific people that God hates.

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Psalm 5:5-6

The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence His soul hateth.
Psalm 11:5

Tell me again, where does the "love everyone" part come in?

3) He gave his only begotten son. Why? For everyone's sins. The love is there, it's their choice to accept it.

Yes, you make a good point about choice. It is up to us to accept Jesus Christ as our savior. If we do, we get eternal life. If not, Hell. It's really quite simple.

4) Loved the world means loved the world. Not loved the perfect. If everyone believes in him, no one shall perish... Unless he did not love everyone.

Not everyone believes in Him, and nor did God ever intend everybody to believe in Him. Jesus tells us that only a few people will get into Heaven.
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Notice Jesus didn't say there is some 8-lane expressway where everyone can go to Heaven. No, the wide road leads to Hell and the narrow one to Heaven.....and "few there be that find it."

I'm done here. I've taken all I could, you're too stubborn. BTW, hate is evil. Pure evil. If you're a christian, you should know that. You're going on YouTube. Congrats.

I'm already on YouTube.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Yo.

If I were new to this topic, here's what I'd see. On one side are people who know enough of the Bible to back up just about everything they say with extensive quotations of Scripture. On the other side is a person who consistently ducks questions about the Bible, quotes Scripture sparingly as though there weren't enough to go around, and skips key parts even when he does quote it. Which side should I believe, and why?

[Eric the Hax]

Re: Yo.

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YouTube, huh? Apparently the people on your site believe Google is satanic (YouTube is Google...)

Like I said, I'm done with you. Mods/admins can go ahead and lock this thread. I'm done trying to reason with relentless bigots. My original message was clear: Not everything that's not of God is of Satan. If that were so, what are YOU doing here?
(actually use of clothing is likely to be of Satan. Look back to Genesis. They ate of the tree, then they covered themselves.)
I'm outta here. I don't want to be associated with such hypocritical, hateful, evil jerks. Unless God forgives you, you're going to Hell along with the quran burners. Again: Hate is evil.

And if your forum links to a site in the bookmarks and you turn around and call it satanic, you are a hypocrite. Goodbye.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Yo.

Hate is evil.

You say that in response to a post by Rev. Jim, listing Bible verses clearly stating that God hates? Fascinating.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Yo.

My original message was clear: Not everything that's not of God is of Satan.

No, your original "message" was an accusation that we cherry-pick Scripture for personal gain. You never demonstrated that; instead, you demonstrated that you have never read the Bible, and that you personally cherry-pick parts of verses that say what you want to hear, and ignore all the rest of God's Word.

The Lord provided us a Book. I'm sorry that you choose to ignore it. I can only hope that you will wake up from your feelgood dreams about the hippie "Jesus" you've created in your own mind before it is too late.

Otherwise, you will be in Hell yourself.

Incidentally, the Quran is blasphemous and heretical. It is of the devil, claiming Jesus is not the Son of God and denying His gift of Salvation to those who choose it. Burning the Quran is a good thing.