[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

I have already discussed sattellites, GPS, Google Maps & Earth. They prove the earth is flat. To use your own words, "Open your eyes. It's all so blatant."

WOW. You are SO naive. It's only flat because, do you know how much time it would take for them to record every mountain, that would take a lot of time and the program would be HUGE. Google Earth would not be free, that's way too much to record.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Hello.

WOW. You are SO naive. It's only flat because, do you know how much time it would take for them to record every mountain, that would take a lot of time and the program would be HUGE. Google Earth would not be free, that's way too much to record.

So Google Earth wouldn't be free if the world was round, ergo the world is round?

I'm not sure I follow this reasoning.

[Lisa H]

Re: Hello.

WOW. You are SO naive. It's only flat because, do you know how much time it would take for them to record every mountain, that would take a lot of time and the program would be HUGE. Google Earth would not be free, that's way too much to record.

Google earth is flat because the earth is flat. Have you not noticed all navigational aids such as maps, etc are flat. Have you ever seen a spherical GPS unit, do you see pilots flying with spherical maps.

Have you not noticed mountains on Google earth. So I do not know why you have said that.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

So I see you've been banned for disagreeing with us have you? Is this part of your "reality"?


That's not what the Bible tells us.

1 John 2:22-23 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].


Except, as I have been repeatedly trying to tell you, your point of view doesn't make sense from any angle. I really do try and look at the world from other peoples viewpoints, but I can't understand yours other than you hate God and will accept any old crazy theory no matter how little sense it makes, as long as it doesn't require God. You've ducked and weaved every question on here and you're only "theory" has been "God doesn't exist so Nyahhh". That's not a theory, that's a 12-year-olds temper tantrum.



So we're bad because we don't change our minds with every new idea that comes on here? Why don't you go tell alll the wiccans why their wrong, or the Scientologists, or the Buddhists? Why are you picking on the Christians? Could it be because you are angry at God for something that happened in your life?

Again, using your Bible as evidence and proof. COMPLETELY useless.
Of course my viewpoint doesn't make sense to any of you, of how Christian you say you are, it seems like it's some form of rule not to be able to see other peoples' points of view.

You're just so immature and stubborn that you can't learn to try and look at what I'm saying. I'm really wasting my time here.

And you don't have to "change your minds," but you could say something other than "no you're wrong, so says a book that hasn't been proven true and by saying that, God exists and that is blatant because of said book."

No, I am not angry at something that never existed.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Hello.

Yes, that's correct. As long as the theory makes sense, and is logical, and is not backed up by something UNPROVED, like the Bible. Check out the thread "The Bible is not really the word of God."

Actually, I proved mine below using the scientific method. I noticed that you didn't even try.

Name to me 10. 10 that really happened, 10 that you're most amazed with. The only reason people believe the Bible is because of the coincidences. So yes, that's probably right. The Bible was written over a long period of time and by 40+ people, was it not? Easily made coincidences.

1. Ezekiel 37:21 21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
The children of Israel got their land back in May of 1948, long after the Bible was written.

2. Deuteronomy 18:15-19 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Moses spoke of the coming of Jesus

3. Psalms 22 explains the death an rising of Jesus. In fact Jesus started to quote it while on the cross (my father, my father, why hast thou forsaken me).

4. Christians would be persecuted throughout the world.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
We have been persecuted, from the crucifixion of Jesus, to being thrown to the Lions, to the catholics trying to wipe us out, to the new atheists fighting to get churches wiped off the planet.

5. 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Science will put our souls at risk, really I don't think leeches and horse drawn carriages were what he was talking about.

6. 2nd Thessalonians 2:11-13 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
God has sent strong delusions so that people would not believe in him, hence the rise in atheism.

7. Revelation 6. First seal, 2And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. world wars. Didn't happen in history until 1914.

8. Revelation 6. Second seal, 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. The last half of the 20th century had more wars than the rest of human history put together

9. Revelation 6. Third seal 6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The rice shortages of 2009? The fact that farmers are not growing food because growing corn for biofuel makes them more money? I believe this is where we are now.

10. Revelation 6. Fourth seal 8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Sounds like what's happening now with your "global warming".

Of course they're not what scientists say. It's rooted off of theories. Like theories are supposed to work. I have gotten very high grades in science, but my science classes were not governed by some stupid belief of God creating it. That's all. And no, what I'm "spewing" is my theories, good ones at that, and nothing from the Internet. All of this is original content.

You just hate God, that's all there is to it. I actually respect an atheist who has put some thought into it. At least they realize what they're fighting about, but you sound like the "rebel without a cause" what are you fighting against? Whatever we've got.

No, I am not 12. And yes, I am over 15. My age really is not important. An age is an age, though some of you are acting quite immature. And yes, I did. You dis-acknowledged it.

You were the one who brought up age. I also find it interesting that we have answered every question you have asked us but all you do is duck and weave like a loosing boxer.

I know I'm right because all the theories I've come up with and science to back me up is just so blatant that I am correct. You also believe this, you're right because God exists. So in that logic, God exists because he does. That makes much more sense.



I honestly don't care about Dawkins.

Oh, now you know more about atheism than Dawkins. That's funny, you know it all, you're smarter than us Christians and you're smarter than your atheist leaders.

Life: Molecules/DNA mixed.
Universe: Something to do with the Big Bang.
Until some of those coincidences are named, they are coincidences and just that. I bet you I could prove each and every one coincidence.
P.S. Life is created every day. You have no proof it's God who creates it.

That's not the scientific method. Here, I'll start it for you and you fill in the blanks.

Hypothesis: God does not exist
Test that DISPROVES your hypothesis:
Actually do the test:
Did you disprove your hypothesis.

Come on now, if you did so well in science you should be able to do this at least. Or has secular school really dumbed down this much?

I have displayed MANY theories. You just don't have the brain mass to actually understand what and where they are, you're just ignoring everything because you don't know how to fight what I'm saying. It's pathetic, really.

Yeah, your right, I've got two secular degrees sitting on my wall, but I'm too stupid to understand the ramblings of an Internet troll.

Of course they were. LOL...
What an effective way to tell the seasons.
Planets orbit the sun. They do not stay the same every single season.

Genesis 1:14-19 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

>mature
I was doing it immaturely, to mock your immaturity. So in a way, you just proved to yourself that you are immature.
>your
Hum. Amazing grammar.

You know you still haven't answered one of my questions. Not one.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Hello.

You didn't answer the part about you being banned. After all, we ban EVERYONE who disagrees with us.

Again, using your Bible as evidence and proof. COMPLETELY useless.
Of course my viewpoint doesn't make sense to any of you, of how Christian you say you are, it seems like it's some form of rule not to be able to see other peoples' points of view.

Then explain this sunshine, if I was too stupid to understand all dem big wurds in dem dar buks, how exactly did I get a BSc. with honors from the University of Lethbridge? Could it be because I actually do understand what the scientists say, but realize that it is just conjecture and theory on their part?

You're just so immature and stubborn that you can't learn to try and look at what I'm saying. I'm really wasting my time here.

Enough with the insults, I have not insulted you and all you've done is called me immature and retarded. If you're wasting your time here, GO READ A BOOK! ANY BOOK! AS LONG AS IT'S SOMETHING YOU WILL ACTUALLY LEARN FROM! Arghh. my children have a better grasp of the scientific method.

And you don't have to "change your minds," but you could say something other than "no you're wrong, so says a book that hasn't been proven true and by saying that, God exists and that is blatant because of said book."

No, I am not angry at something that never existed.

We have given you lots of evidence showing that God exists, beyond books. Do you even bother to read our posts? You skip over anything that would require you to think and say that the questions that you brought up are irrelevant. To be honest, I really am hoping that you are only 15 or so, because if you're over 20 and think at this level all of your teachers should be rounded up and beaten severely.

You are the prime example of why, even if I wasn't a Christian, I would home school my children. They've gotten away from teaching children things and gone into the liebral brainwashing profession. I look at my nephews, grade 3 they can't read, but they sure know what homosexualism is and why it's good and they know that smoking is bad. But then again, since Obamanomics is only going to get them McDonalds jobs, why do they need to know how to read anyway.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

Actually, I proved mine below using the scientific method. I noticed that you didn't even try.



1. Ezekiel 37:21 21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
The children of Israel got their land back in May of 1948, long after the Bible was written.

Easily a coincidence, it was bound to happen. Maybe it was influenced by the bible, not some sort of prophet.

2. Deuteronomy 18:15-19 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Moses spoke of the coming of Jesus

That dates back to then, there's no proof that Jesus actually came.

3. Psalms 22 explains the death an rising of Jesus. In fact Jesus started to quote it while on the cross (my father, my father, why hast thou forsaken me).

And? That's not even prophetic.

4. Christians would be persecuted throughout the world.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
We have been persecuted, from the crucifixion of Jesus, to being thrown to the Lions, to the catholics trying to wipe us out, to the new atheists fighting to get churches wiped off the planet.

With the Bible not being believed in the future in mind, that was put in there purposely so that it wouldn't happen.

5. 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Science will put our souls at risk, really I don't think leeches and horse drawn carriages were what he was talking about.

>Science will prove the Bible wrong
fixed.
Without Science, you would get nowhere in life. Do you think God gives you TV? Did he invent the lightbulb?
I think not, sir.

6. 2nd Thessalonians 2:11-13 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
God has sent strong delusions so that people would not believe in him, hence the rise in atheism.

Another thing written in the Bible in the case that the Bible is not believed. In order to strengthen belief in the Bible. You fell for it.

7. Revelation 6. First seal, 2And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. world wars. Didn't happen in history until 1914.

>he
That is a WIDELY random assumption, there was BOUND to be some sort of war, based on how life was back in "Jesus'" days.

8. Revelation 6. Second seal, 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. The last half of the 20th century had more wars than the rest of human history put together

>there was given unto him a great sword.
>given unto him a great sword.
>great sword.
>sword.
There were GUNS in the wars, not swords and bows. That's also why things were so violent.

9. Revelation 6. Third seal 6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The rice shortages of 2009? The fact that farmers are not growing food because growing corn for biofuel makes them more money? I believe this is where we are now.

Limited resources? You really think this is prophetic? Come on.

10. Revelation 6. Fourth seal 8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Sounds like what's happening now with your "global warming".

>Hell
>Swords
>Hunger
None of that has any type of correlation with Global Warming. And it won't be a long time until death has correlation with it.

You just hate God, that's all there is to it. I actually respect an atheist who has put some thought into it. At least they realize what they're fighting about, but you sound like the "rebel without a cause" what are you fighting against? Whatever we've got.

I'm not going to read the rest of this post, the challenge that I gave you, you have failed hard. I'm sure the rest of this post fails too.

I'll reply to this. Atheist leader? Atheists have no leader. There's no Atheist standard as a leader. There never has been. I've never even heard of him. And so you're saying you respect an Atheist who thinks like you and agrees with you that God exists? I've been doing just fine as far as this goes, but the magnitude of stubbornness is just unbearable. I think I'm done here.

This isn't getting anywhere. Have fun with your beliefs of God, and wasting your life. Not actually doing something. Any "job" that has to do with God isn't a real job. Have fun with your fake lifestyle, I really couldn't care less.

Goodbye.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Hello.

I have read through this thread in its entirety and I have noticed several things, but the most glaring issue is this "i can justify that" fellow's inability to justify anything!

Sister BiG, I certainly applaud your patience with him. It must come from raising children of your own.

I also agree with your observation as to his hatred toward God. It's more than apparent that he is blaming The Lord for some failing in his own life.

YIC

Sister Phebe.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

This isn't getting anywhere. Have fun with your beliefs of God, and wasting your life. Not actually doing something. Any "job" that has to do with God isn't a real job. Have fun with your genuine lifestyle, I really couldn't care less.

Goodbye.

What a horrible word filter. F a k e filters to genuine. Interesting.
To reiterate more correctly;
Have fun with your f ake lifestyles, it's really quite pathetic.

ONE last thing. You banned Asphyxia and Moogitar, and other people on this forum I have also seen have been banned. I haven't been banned as of yet simply because of me complaining about the bannings, or you just think you're getting the better of me. Haha, alright then.

I'm out of here. I pity all of you. It's quite sad. I'm astonished over how blind you all are.

Then again, it's pretty funny.
May your God burn in Hell.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Hello.

Your moogato friend has not been banned. He is on moderation.

Obviously like science, reading comprehension is not a strong point of yours either.



YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

I have read through this thread in its entirety and I have noticed several things, but the most glaring issue is this "i can justify that" fellow's inability to justify anything!

Sister BiG, I certainly applaud your patience with him. It must come from raising children of your own.

I also agree with your observation as to his hatred toward God. It's more than apparent that he is blaming The Lord for some failing in his own life.

YIC

Sister Phebe.

Okay, one last thing, this is pathetic assumptions.

I have not failed in my life with anything, nor am I blaming something that doesn't exist on it. Nor did I blame it on "The Lord" when I did believe in him.

It's just so funny how you can think this. If you are ever converted to the truth, I would love to see every single one of your reactions when you find out how blind you've been.

AND, Moogitar told me himself he was banned, and he got a PM saying he was. So sorry for misunderstanding "You are banned, the ban will never be lifted."

Pathetic. That will be all.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Hello.

Sister BiG,

I noticed that fellow and his cohorts were rambling on at one point, that without secular science, humans would not be as advanced as they are today.

I tend to disagree and in fact, if anything I think we would be much further advanced if people HAD just listened to God.

My reason is viable. I look at things like the Pyramids. That is a technology from 6000 odd years ago (biblical times to boot) that has these sooooo advanced secular scientists just scratching their heads. I have seen documentaries where even using the alleged "hi-tech" methods available these days, the building of such structures just cannot be replicated. Science books were not around back then. Just belief in God.

Imagine, if people had not fallen to the wayside and decided to follow satan over God, I am sure things that seem new-fangled in this day and age, would seem like old hat and probably invented hundreds of years ago if not thousands.

Oh... also did you see how he mentioned TV's and lightbulbs? lol Gosh, neither of those things would work if GOD had not provided the electricity in the first place.

YIC

Sister Phebe.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Hello.

Okay, one last thing, this is pathetic assumptions.

I have not failed in my life with anything, nor am I blaming something that doesn't exist on it. Nor did I blame it on "The Lord" when I did believe in him.

It's just so funny how you can think this. If you are ever converted to the truth, I would love to see every single one of your reactions when you find out how blind you've been.

AND, Moogitar told me himself he was banned, and he got a PM saying he was. So sorry for misunderstanding "You are banned, the ban will never be lifted."

Pathetic. That will be all.

Your comment was far more telling than you realize. you continue to live in your denial though.


Oh and your friend moogatoo lied. It is OBVIOUS he is on moderation and not banned, as ON MODERATION is emblazened next to his username!

[Jedediah]

Re: Hello.

I have not failed in my life with anything, nor am I blaming something that doesn't exist on it.

Sorry, pal. If you reject Jesus, then you fail at life. You will realize this for yourself on the day of judgment. And yes, you will have only yourself to blame for rejecting Christ's infinite love.

Oh, how you will scream as the demons tear you limb from limb. And oh, how we will laugh at you, from the bosom of Jesus, as you ask us and Him for the help you reject now while you still have the opportunity. But by then, it will be too late.

It's not too late to repent. But it will be one day. Repent now while you still have the chance!

[Lisa H]

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Ugh, you're such a pretty face, but a dead brain.. Look, that's what I basically said about cars. They pull on the road, and of course the road doesn't move, so they get traction, and it pulls them forwards. Car goes in reverse, wheels go other way, traction the other way, then they go that way. It's basically impossible to get you off the God and Satan thing about how they send you ideas, so well, this is my last post. I figured it'd be better off to just intermingle with my own religion than to try to convert people of another religion who don't have a firm grasp of reality & science.

PS; I won't see any reply you make to this comment, so it's probably not worth replying. Also, I'm in moderation, so what is in this comment may be changed from it's original text.

Cars propel themselves on the road not pull. An example of pulling is a horse and cart. A horse pulls the cart behind it as it walks along.

You should really start loving the Lord instead of mocking him. If you want to hanging around with nonbelievers then thats your choice. God gave you the will to do so.

I feel sorry that you want to hanging around people who do not have any knowledge of true Christian science and the reality God made the world.