[DanielBetti]

Re: Hello everyone!

hey conscript, do you have an AIM screenname?

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Hello everyone!

Must one be baptized to be a Christian? I was baptized when I was two, when I had no choice in the matter. I have since renounced that. Again, I am a non-denominational Christian, ma'am. I don't like labels.

Also, I'm afraid I live with my parents . I just don't have the financial means to move out on my own yet. My father worked for a company called Faurecia, but was laid off and the company is paying for him to go back to school. He has an interview for another job in a nearby town in a couple of weeks. He is a Tool and Die Engineer by trade. He is Christian, but not Catholic. The Catholic baptism was my MOTHER'S idea which she talked him into. If I speak ill of her, I won't be following the 5th. I forgive her for her error though. She isn't Catholic anymore either, thank the Lord.

The catholic baptism does not count because of obvious reasons, but even if you were brought up in another church, an infant Baptism would count for nought anyway! One must be Baptized when they are exercising their own free will to make the choice and at the age of 2-3 years old, that is hardly the case now is it? This conscious Baptism IS necessary!

I suggest you read Acts Chapter 22 for starters as well as Luke Chapter 13, Mark Chapter 16 and Hebrews Chapter 11. There are more references of course but these are relatively easy reads. Also as confirmation of this, read Revelation 2.


YIC

Phebe Carlyle.

[Conscript]

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Forgive me if I do not read those right away. It is 3 am here and I must get some rest. Have to be up at 6:45 to be ready for work and be there by 8. Sigh...such is the way of having two jobs and belonging to Godless slave drivers that run Speedway Super America Inc...But do not worry I will read those verses you have suggested to me.

[barton]

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... Do we not rely on the farmers to plant and harvest the grain, and the butcher to chop the meat?" But I may be taking it out of context. Please let me know if I am. I have a bad habit of that.

It's not context that's the problem, I think. Rather, it's the scope that tripping you up.

In a general sense, reliance or faith (with a lower case "f") on things we are accustomed to experiencing is just part of living the life God gave us. It's really not deep-rooted, though. Expecting chairs to hold us up, people to generally do their jobs, food to be available at the market, etc... these are things we expect to be true. However, there's a reliance web in place here. I rely on the butcher; the butcher relies on the rancher, the slaughterhouse, and the trucking company. The slaughterhouse relies on me (to fix their slaughtering equipment), and so on. Everything interconnects.

The True Christian™ knows that God is at the center of this web and that it all falls apart without His active presence in the world. However, Humanist scum don't acknowledge His Handiwork. They pretend to not see the big gaping hole at the center of the web, instead praising human ingenuity, sticktuitiveness, solidarity, cooperation, genetics, herd mentalities, culture, and everything else but God.

Humanists are deluded optimists with a perverse idea that people are basically good. Whatever "good" means to them, of course. They ignore God because, without Him, there is only subjective morality making "good" and "evil" loose concepts that can be defined and redefined at will. Humanists aren't willing to accept the utterly depraved, foul, sinful nature of all people.

The Bible is full of passages that describe the complete depraved nature of every person... a nature that, without salvation, condemns every one of us to eternal damnation. Here's a few:

Genesis 6: 5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually."

Proverbs 14: 12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death."

Romans 3: 9-11 "What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."

Humanists, in their defiance, paint themselves into a logical corner. By denying God, they deny Salvation. Without Salvation, they cannot acknowledge Man's fallen nature. To do so, would be to acknowledge there's no hope! Instead, they have to build some idiotic narrative about humanity's general propensity for "good". The only other option is to admit the utter futility of life and commit suicide.

True Christians™ understand human nature and are better prepared to face the world. It's no surprise because the Bible is an incredible, inerrant fount of knowledge on every topic! Psychology included.

I hope this helps clear things up for you!

[Conscript]

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It's not context that's the problem, I think. Rather, it's the scope that tripping you up.

In a general sense, reliance or faith (with a lower case "f") on things we are accustomed to experiencing is just part of living the life God gave us. It's really not deep-rooted, though. Expecting chairs to hold us up, people to generally do their jobs, food to be available at the market, etc... these are things we expect to be true. However, there's a reliance web in place here. I rely on the butcher; the butcher relies on the rancher, the slaughterhouse, and the trucking company. The slaughterhouse relies on me (to fix their slaughtering equipment), and so on. Everything interconnects.

The True Christian™ knows that God is at the center of this web and that it all falls apart without His active presence in the world. However, Humanist scum don't acknowledge His Handiwork. They pretend to not see the big gaping hole at the center of the web, instead praising human ingenuity, sticktuitiveness, solidarity, cooperation, genetics, herd mentalities, culture, and everything else but God.

Humanists are deluded optimists with a perverse idea that people are basically good. Whatever "good" means to them, of course. They ignore God because, without Him, there is only subjective morality making "good" and "evil" loose concepts that can be defined and redefined at will. Humanists aren't willing to accept the utterly depraved, foul, sinful nature of all people.

The Bible is full of passages that describe the complete depraved nature of every person... a nature that, without salvation, condemns every one of us to eternal damnation. Here's a few:

Genesis 6: 5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually."

Proverbs 14: 12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death."

Romans 3: 9-11 "What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."

Humanists, in their defiance, paint themselves into a logical corner. By denying God, they deny Salvation. Without Salvation, they cannot acknowledge Man's fallen nature. To do so, would be to acknowledge there's no hope! Instead, they have to build some idiotic narrative about humanity's general propensity for "good". The only other option is to admit the utter futility of life and commit suicide.

True Christians™ understand human nature and are better prepared to face the world. It's no surprise because the Bible is an incredible, inerrant fount of knowledge on every topic! Psychology included.

I hope this helps clear things up for you!

Woohoo just got offa work. 11 hours part time money under my belt. Maybe I can get my car paid off now...6 months early !

And yes that really helped clear things up barton. I'd also like to know why you included ingenuity and cooperation into that. God guides us, and it is through Him that we are able to build better technologies to increase output in the various fields of labor. Cooperation is another big thing. If we don't cooperate with each other, how do things get done in the world? I mean, I don't like half the people I work with at my main job because they're a bunch of gossipy Godless women who have nothing better to do than talk about each other behind one another's backs. But I still cooperate with them at least in some form to push out parts for whoever we happen to be sending them to that week. Again I think the scope is tripping me up with this one...

[barton]

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I'd also like to know why you included ingenuity and cooperation into that.

The point is that humanists deny the existence... the necessity ...of God. Ingenuity and cooperation are not, by themselves, hateful concepts. These are gifts from God! We should use them to glorify His name!

It's the Godless way they are perceived by humanists that makes it all evil. It's the here-and-now, let's-be-practical methods they employ that damn their souls. They root themselves to the world, proclaiming mastery of all creation, denying His existence, denying Him His due praise.

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

2nd Timothy 2:3-4 "Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier."

Everything I accomplish is only because He willed it. I praise Him in everything. I am nothing without Him.

[Conscript]

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Since you, a higher ranking member of this forum than I, say that ingenuity and cooperation aren't hateful by themselves, does that mean that practicality isn't a bad thing by itself either? I mean, as with all great things that man has created with the guidance of God, don't our inventions have to be practical in order to be taken seriously? Imagine if, say, Eli Whitney had mad the cotton gin gargantuan, so massive it couldn't be operated effectively. Imagine where we'd be today. We'd be paying through the nose for good cotton T-Shirts that what.

I may be going a little overboard with that explanation, theory and outcome there, but I'm sure you can see the value behind practicality.

As for the "here and now" bull...no...just no. I, for one, think people need to be constantly thinking of their eternal souls rather than earthly pleasures. Mind you, earthly pleasure may be nice and expensive, but can you take those things to Heaven with you?

[barton]

Re: Hello everyone!

Since you, a higher ranking member of this forum than I, say that ingenuity and cooperation aren't hateful by themselves, does that mean that practicality isn't a bad thing by itself either?

Either something glorifies God or it does not. Ingenuity, cooperation and even practicality are, in the absence of further information, neutral. However, in the absence of this further information, these ideas are also meaningless! Useless, until they are applied to specific subjects with specific motivations. In other words, some inventions are Godly and some aren't.

The humanist approach is inherently evil. Everything they do, because they deny God His due Praise, is by definition evil. If Eli Whitney was not a True Christian™ then yes, his invention was the product of evil. (This does not mean that the items derived from that invention cannot be used for God's Glory)

Psalm 58:3 "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies."

Ephesians 2:3 "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

So, to put things another way... there exists Christian ingenuity, Christian cooperation, Christian practicality. Christians worship God and then exhibit these traits as Grace fills them up and overflows!

2nd Corinthians 4:15 "For all things [are] for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God."

Humanists ignore God and worship these traits directly, themselves. I'm worried a bit for your soul as you seem to be very much drawn into worship at the altar of Practicality.