[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Seeking the truth

Thanks, I see the plural is not to be taken literally. I was confused because "the earth" is singular but "the heavens" is plural. Using your example, although we have multiple oceans by name, the complete body of water surrounding the land masses (continents) is a singular connected ocean. I guess I am confused again, I used "ocean" singular when referring to this large water mass. I do not wish to debate whether there are multiple heavens. Please clarify the meaning of Genesis 2:4 so I can continue with my studies.

What exactly is there to clarify? It's talking about how God created the Earth.

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens," Genesis 2:4

When it's talking about the "heavens", it's not specifically referring to "Heaven" the place. It's referring to the sky, the firmament, the waters above the firmament, and Heaven the place.

The name of Heaven is derived from the word heavens, but they don't mean the same thing. Get it?

[StepTo]

Re: Seeking the truth

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Re: Seeking the truth

Thanks, I see the plural is not to be taken literally. I was confused because "the earth" is singular but "the heavens" is plural. Using your example, although we have multiple oceans by name, the complete body of water surrounding the land masses (continents) is a singular connected ocean. I guess I am confused again, I used "ocean" singular when referring to this large water mass. I do not wish to debate whether there are multiple heavens. Please clarify the meaning of Genesis 2:4 so I can continue with my studies.

I'm a little concerned about your reading comprehension, I assume you went to public school?

From the dictionary.

heav·en (hvn)n.1. The sky or universe as seen from the earth; the firmament. Often used in the plural.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Seeking the truth

Thanks, I see the plural is not to be taken literally. I was confused because "the earth" is singular but "the heavens" is plural. Using your example, although we have multiple oceans by name, the complete body of water surrounding the land masses (continents) is a singular connected ocean. I guess I am confused again, I used "ocean" singular when referring to this large water mass. I do not wish to debate whether there are multiple heavens. Please clarify the meaning of Genesis 2:4 so I can continue with my studies.

Genesis 1:1 The version of the Old Testament usually quoted in the New Testament is the Greek Alexandrian version (the NT is written in Greek).

FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT

Matthew 6:9
plural

(Our Father which art in heaven)

Matthew 6:10
singular

(..on earth as it is in heaven)
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FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created..

the heaven (singular)
NOTE: THERE WAS NOTHING IN IT YET


Genesis 2:1
Thus..

the heavens and the earth were finished..
NOTE: the Greek here is singular because it is connected to another word "the cosmos"

signifying all the things in the heaven.
Together there are many things in existence now (compared to Genesis 1:1) and naturally English uses the plural: heavens.


Genesis 2:4(a)(b)
In this verse there are two references to "the heavens" in conjunction with other aspects of creation (grouped together as "the earth"). The Greek translators used the singular (a)

for "heaven" and together with everything else created (b)

refer to their creation.

You can read a little about this early translation of the Old Testament here –> .

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But the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The same word:

is used in the passages in Genesis you mentioned.

I wonder what version of The Bible you are using?

Genesis 2
1 Thus the heauens and the earth were finished, and all the hoste of them.
2 And on the seuenth day God ended his worke, which hee had made: And he rested on the seuenth day from all his worke, which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seuenth day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his worke, which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heauens, & of the earth, when they were created; in the day that the LORD God made the earth, and the heauens,
5 And euery plant of the field, before it was in the earth, and euery herbe of the field, before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to raine vpon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
©1611

The heaven of Genesis 1:1 is singular, but as I mentioned, there was nothing in it yet. Once it had various items added (see Genesis 1:2-31) the plural is used (in English). In Hebrew (and in most early Greek) there is also something called the "dual" which is not singular, but in English we make do with just singular/plural and The Bible renders these passages quite accurately, quite beautifully and is altogether consistent. That is what you'd expect when God Himself directs the translators' hand.

When you choose to accept God's Perfect Love and His plan for salvation, brought to us in Jesus your life is complete - indeed when Jesus is your friend, the friend is the other self.

By accepting false "translations" of His word, directed by agenda driven academics or demon possessed papists, you are denying His Perfect Love and rejecting His forgivness. That is never a good idea!

GENESIS 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heauen, and the Earth.
©1611

[Idiocracy'sRevenge]

Re: Seeking the truth

Genesis 1:1 The version of the Old Testament usually quoted in the New Testament is the Greek Alexandrian version (the NT is written in Greek).

FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT

Matthew 6:9
plural

(Our Father which art in heaven)

Matthew 6:10
singular

(..on earth as it is in heaven)
________________

FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created..

the heaven (singular)
NOTE: THERE WAS NOTHING IN IT YET

Genesis 2:1
Thus..

the heavens and the earth were finished..
NOTE: the Greek here is singular because it is connected to another word "the cosmos"

signifying all the things in the heaven.
Together there are many things in existence now (compared to Genesis 1:1) and naturally English uses the plural: heavens.

Genesis 2:4(a)(b)
In this verse there are two references to "the heavens" in conjunction with other aspects of creation (grouped together as "the earth"). The Greek translators used the singular (a)

for "heaven" and together with everything else created (b)

refer to their creation.

You can read a little about this early translation of the Old Testament here –> .

________________

But the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The same word:

is used in the passages in Genesis you mentioned.

I wonder what version of The Bible you are using?

Genesis 2
1 Thus the heauens and the earth were finished, and all the hoste of them.
2 And on the seuenth day God ended his worke, which hee had made: And he rested on the seuenth day from all his worke, which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seuenth day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his worke, which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heauens, & of the earth, when they were created; in the day that the LORD God made the earth, and the heauens,
5 And euery plant of the field, before it was in the earth, and euery herbe of the field, before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to raine vpon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
©1611

The heaven of Genesis 1:1 is singular, but as I mentioned, there was nothing in it yet. Once it had various items added (see Genesis 1:2-31) the plural is used (in English). In Hebrew (and in most early Greek) there is also something called the "dual" which is not singular, but in English we make do with just singular/plural and The Bible renders these passages quite accurately, quite beautifully and is altogether consistent. That is what you'd expect when God Himself directs the translators' hand.

When you choose to accept God's Perfect Love and His plan for salvation, brought to us in Jesus your life is complete - indeed when Jesus is your friend, the friend is the other self.

By accepting false "translations" of His word, directed by agenda driven academics or demon possessed papists, you are denying His Perfect Love and rejecting His forgivness. That is never a good idea!

GENESIS 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heauen, and the Earth.
©1611

Thank you for the truly answering the question and continue to be blessed.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Seeking the truth

Confused? What would possibly make you think God hates my wife. If God hates my wife he must hate me too. By extension, why would God hate me?

Philthy Atheist was correct on this one.

Why would God give your wife cancer? Surely she brought it upon herself somehow. Has she repented of her sins?

If not, God still hates her, as He hates all sinners.

[Harold C. Howard]

Re: Seeking the truth

Philthy Atheist was correct on this one.

Why would God give your wife cancer? Surely she brought it upon herself somehow. Has she repented of her sins?

If not, God still hates her, as He hates all sinners.

Indeed. Cancer is but a tool of God bestowed upon sinners so that they may know of His wrath.

"Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD." Psalm 104:35