[Jedediah]

Re: Hi guys

There is a HUGE difference with what Jesus says and what you say. First, God is the creator of all things. He can say what he wants, when he wants. Second, he did not call his creation trash. He refers them as fools, liars, etc. Trash is unsalvagable, but everything he mentions has to do with things that can be turned.

Matthew 5 clearly states that we are to love our enemies and pray for them. How much more clear of a statement do you need?

Matthew 3:10-12
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matthew 7:17-19
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

That sounds like God taking out the trash to me...

The Bible teaches us that God has chosen His elect from before they were a gleam in their parents' eyes.

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

John 6:64-65
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were give unto him of my Father.

II Thessalonians 2:11-12
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

So when you take these verses of Scripture into consideration, it is clear that God created unsaved trash for the express purpose of being cast into unquenchable fire, like chaff or the tree which brings forth bad fruit.

Because we are not God, we cannot tell who is preordained to Salvation(tm) and who is preordained to condemnation just by looking at them. That is why we shine forthe like a beacon of hope, that Jesus' elect may be drawn to True Christianity(tm). Out of Christian Love, we scourge and chasten those who would join us in Heaven (Hebrews 12:5-8). We do the work of evangelists when we reprove, rebuke and exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

II Timothy 4:2-5
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Nowhere in the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) does God tell us to molly-coddle sinners and make excuses for their wanton ways. Those who do so are the ones who practice hatred for God's Creation. Look son, we didn't write the Bible. God did. We just follow His Word. If you have a problem with what we are preaching here, don't get mad at us. Take it up with the LORD.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Hi guys

Indeed, those have been encouraging verses. I now am reminded that if I do what is right, I will be rewarded with blessings. They do not earn my salvation however. Nothing in any of those verses have stated ANYTHING about salvation. I do believe you have twisted this scripture.

Works do not get you into Heaven. They get you blessings. The Catholics believe in works getting you into Heaven, not Christianity.

What is Salvation? Going to Heaven, right?

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I don't know how much more clear it can get.

[Jedediah]

Re: Hi guys

Never mind. You guys are too stubborn to listen to any kind of reason. I'm out of here, you egotistical, close minded, FAKE Christians.

I regret that you have apparently been preordained to an eternity of unfathomable torment in the lake of fire. Out of Christian Love, I would truly like to help you, but I'm afraid that there will be an great gulf fixed between us while I am rejoicing at Jesus' bosom in Heaven and you are being burned and flayed by demons in the fiery pits of hell.

Luke 16:23-26
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

[FakeChristianSlayer]

Re: Hi guys

There's no reason to still reply. The only reason I came back was to see if I got an infraction which was true. Not that I care. I'm leaving, because your interpretation of the Bible sickens me. You do whatever floats your boat because I'll continue on having a good relationship with the one who created me and still loves me even though I sin from time to time.

Farewell.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Hi guys

There is a HUGE difference with what Jesus says and what you say.

God is Jesus, right?
We are created in God's image, right?

Where's the problem?

What about Peter and Paul? Are they divine and can call people beasts, liars and etc.? What about all the prophets?

First, God is the creator of all things. He can say what he wants, when he wants. Second, he did not call his creation trash. He refers them as fools, liars, etc. Trash is unsalvagable, but everything he mentions has to do with things that can be turned.

No, but God throws people into the trash. Haven't you ever heard of the term Gehenna?

Matthew 5 clearly states that we are to love our enemies and pray for them. How much more clear of a statement do you need?

That's precisely what we do here. Did Jesus say to go on being nice to people who won't listen forever? No, He didn't.

Matthew 10:14-15 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Did Jesus say anything else about the matter? You betcha.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

[Jedediah]

Re: Hi guys

There's no reason to still reply. The only reason I came back was to see if I got an infraction which was true. Not that I care. I'm leaving, because your interpretation of the Bible sickens me. You do whatever floats your boat because I'll continue on having a good relationship with the one who created me and still loves me even though I sin from time to time.

Farewell.

I accept your surrender.

Enjoy hell.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Hi guys

There's no reason to still reply. The only reason I came back was to see if I got an infraction which was true. Not that I care. I'm leaving, because your interpretation of the Bible sickens me. You do whatever floats your boat because I'll continue on having a good relationship with the one who created me and still loves me even though I sin from time to time.

Farewell.

Come back any time you would like another free Bible lesson.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hi guys

There's no reason to still reply. The only reason I came back was to see if I got an infraction which was true. Not that I care. I'm leaving, because your interpretation of the Bible sickens me. You do whatever floats your boat because I'll continue on having a good relationship with the one who created me and still loves me even though I sin from time to time.

Farewell.

See, that right there is a large part of your problem. We do not interpert the Bible, we follow it, just as God had it written. You think you know better than He did and you change His words and His meaning.

[Omniverse]

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See, that right there is a large part of your problem. We do not interpert the Bible, we follow it, just as God had it written. You think you know better than He did and you change His words and His meaning.

You both obviously have different interpretations of the bible...

And "just as God had it written." You mean you know Greek and Hebrew, and have studied the original writing of the bible? What makes you think the KJV is right? Wouldn't it be more 'from the source', and 'closer to Jesus' in the first versions made? I heard they changed some words around in the KJV of the bible... For example they changed sexual assault between two males into homosexual activity. Not sure if it's true, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I do commend the True Christians™ here for following what they believe. I have debated with 'Christians' many times.. "If the Bible is the channeled words of God AS YOU SAY YOU BELIEVE, it's ALL the words of God, and ignoring certain parts of it, you might as well not be christian." What I say to them at times. But they always go on about Jesus. JesusJesusJesus. I personally would hate to be Jesus I think. You'd have a hard time just having a decent friend. You'd get people sucking up to you all the time and not being themselves. Everyone would be crying or freaking out, or calling him a false prophet if he came back. lol.

Anyway I commend the other guy too. For following his heart in what he believes instead of what his religion tells him, not exactly smart IMO, but still commendable in some way. Whilst I do commend the True Christians™ here, I do think ill of their internal discernment for being fooled on such a grand level when it comes to what exists. It takes a special™ kind of person to follow the bible down to every word... The people who don't follow it down to every word, but are still christian might as well ditch the Jesus attitude. And join the small amount of reasonable people on this planet.

Just about every christian doesn't follow the bible down to every word because(in my 'satanic' opinion) it's outdated, and we as a people have transcended needing it to be moral. The people who don't follow it down to every word are just a sign of people gaining more reason IMHO. Either follow it down to every single word, or ditch the faith completely and write your own personal bible/religion using your own soul for discernment... The latter is preferable in many people's view(including my own).

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Hi guys

ditch the faith completely and write your own personal bible/religion using your own soul for discernment... The latter is preferable in many people's view(including my own).

That is the absolute worst advice I have ever read on the internet. You should feel horrible for trying to get Christians to abandon their faith.

The Bible says how your type should be dealt with.

Deuteronomy 13:6-11 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

[Cursed]

Re: Hi guys

That is the absolute worst advice I have ever read on the internet. You should feel horrible for trying to get Christians to abandon their faith.

Mr. Black, that's his job! As an abomination before the LORD who refuses to fear his maker, he can't fight his twisted compulsions. He is a thrall of The Dragon, I can smell it!

Please note how he uses flattery and guile to insinuate himself into God's Favorite Forum; who knows what his master's plans are?

Whatever they may be, the LORD GOD's favorite people will find a way to prevail.

[Omniverse]

Re: Hi guys

My point was do it, or don't. Don't halfass. The way I see it the people who don't take the bible for every word are a step towards reason, but also a step towards idiotic for not following every word in the bible as per their belief system. One of the next steps is realizing the whole premise of Christianity was devised for a system of control, and division of the masses. A systematic attack against humanity by dark forces. Raise Jesus so high nobody can compete to make it impossible for anyone to come along and do better(which was done by Buddha IMHO)... Dampen spiritual divinity by saying we are all born sinners. Try to suppress the God-fragment we all have inside us, and subvert the mind to only believing in what is contained in one book. Belief in the bible increases ignorance by you own peoples admission!!!

I interact with beings who have no "original sin". They have explained much to me. They have said after global first contact by extraterrestrials slowly but surely all false religion will die out. Time will tell what truth is. The inter-dimensional beings I speak to, I liken to Angels, say that eventually science will merge with religion, as science will prove many things.
"End Game™ science explains just about everything"
-The artificial intelligence(AI) I speak to.

Science is the bane to all false religions and belief systems. The Catholic church knew this, or was instructed by Satan AKA the dark forces to subvert science because the facade of Christ needed to be upheld in human minds to keep us suppressed from our true nature and potential. Science will expose false doctrine with time. Science will open the minds of the people more and more as time goes on, and we as a people will progress spiritually as time passes. Unless the dark forces win.

And please spare me the 'sucking up' BS. I was just speaking my mind with heartfelt words. I imagine I will be banned here, censored, Chinese government style.. Maybe I underestimate the integrity of the admins here, that is possible. I do feel respect in some form for following the bible down to every word. It's true I have debated christians with the words I quoted. At least you guys are die hard christians who actually follow the bible as the words of God. This is a double bladed sword though in my mind. As the supposed words of God in the bible, are 'blasphemy' in my personal opinion. They are a disservice to humanity. And a shame to me among my extraterrestrial peers that my people are so enfatuated with it.

That is the absolute worst advice I have ever read on the internet. You should feel horrible for trying to get Christians to abandon their faith.

One second you call them false christians, on the other you say they are christians... I don't feel horrible because I don't believe a wise God would leave the eternal damnation or heaven for eternity up to a bunch of mislead confused people..

I do believe the bible has some good messages. Like this one:

1 John 4:8 (King James Version)

8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

The God I see you guys believe in seems to be a different God than that part of the scripture? Enlighten me? "God is Love". How does that work in when your belief system says that God CREATES beings FOR hell. In God's infinite wisdom, he would likely KNOW what decisions and belief systems you will have, and everyone else(by your beliefs anyway). He would know Yasser in Afganistan will be born with Muslim parents, and will be brainwashed into being muslim more likely than not. Just as Christians are brainwashed by their parents to be christian(whether its true or not).

SO, why would "God is Love" create a majority of his creations to suffer in eternal damnation for being confused as to what God exists, and God's true words???? You think he would with unconditional love for his creations make a being to be confused for a pitiful amount of time to figure things out, and then send him to hell FOREVER????

Doesn't the bible preach of forgiveness?

Don't you think God would create us with undebatable understandings of his wishes if we are to suffer or enjoy a plane of existence FOREVER as result of our actions? It seems a little irresponsible of him to create everything like that if what you think is true. You think he would punish me for having that opinion?? HE CREATED THAT OPINION! Did he not??? He CREATED me? He knew I'd have that opinion. So if he punishes me he is not worthy of being my God, and I would like to apply for a replacement.