Greetings!

[felicitysparrow]

Well hello there!
My name's Felicity and I'm a Christian hailing from the UK, I've been a Christian all my life and regularly attend my local Church where I see God doing amazing things. I consider myself to be non-denominational, my mother is a Protestant, my father bought up a Catholic and through this I have been lucky enough to see how very little is different between the two denominations, and how God works through them both.
I am a student, and curently study Clasical Civilisation, English literature and Archaeology at University. Going to University has massively improved my faith as I've had to trust God completely for me to get by in a strange new city. The subjects I've studied has also revealed to me the wonders of God as I have learned even people from 10 000 years ago saw cause to worship!
Unfortunately, I don't think you'll like my political standing very much! But anyway, I'm a Liberal/Socialist, but I see this too as a system that is very much how Jesus wanted us to act: unselfish, unjudgemental and fair to all, rich or poor.

But anyway, regardless of politics, it's nice to meet you!

Oh, and favourite bible verse/s? Psalm 139, it's wonderfully poetic, worshipful and a source of great comfort.
Especially this: vs.5 'You hem me in- behind and before; you have laid your hand upon me.'

[Felicity]

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@felicitysparrow Welcome, my name is also Felicity!

Since you are new here please look at our please read this before posting and our your rights on this forum threads! If you already did that, just do it again. There you can learn that this forum is not about debating or unsaved opinions but about praising Jesus!

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Oh, and favourite bible verse/s? Psalm 139, it's wonderfully poetic, worshipful and a source of great comfort.
Especially this: vs.5 'You hem me in- behind and before; you have laid your hand upon me.'

Hello. I really like your choice of Psalm 139. I just love the end part of it.

19Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
20For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
21Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
23Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

[Bible Student]

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Well hello there!
My name's Felicity and I'm a Christian hailing from the UK, I've been a Christian all my life and regularly attend my local Church where I see God doing amazing things. I consider myself to be non-denominational, my mother is a Protestant, my father bought up a Catholic and through this I have been lucky enough to see how very little is different between the two denominations, and how God works through them both.
I am a student, and curently study Clasical Civilisation, English literature and Archaeology at University. Going to University has massively improved my faith as I've had to trust God completely for me to get by in a strange new city. The subjects I've studied has also revealed to me the wonders of God as I have learned even people from 10 000 years ago saw cause to worship!
Unfortunately, I don't think you'll like my political standing very much! But anyway, I'm a Liberal/Socialist, but I see this too as a system that is very much how Jesus wanted us to act: unselfish, unjudgemental and fair to all, rich or poor.

But anyway, regardless of politics, it's nice to meet you!

Oh, and favourite bible verse/s? Psalm 139, it's wonderfully poetic, worshipful and a source of great comfort.
Especially this: vs.5 'You hem me in- behind and before; you have laid your hand upon me.'

When you get your degrees it might be interesting to talk with you. But until then you have made a number of errors, not the least of which is you believe in a 10,000 year history for a world that the Bible tells us is only a bit over 6,000 years old. The attributes with which you paint our Dear Lord Jesus shows either a complete lack of understanding your 1611 King James Bible, or a failure to have read the Bible at all.

Oh, and welcome to our friendly forum Felicity minor, aka Felicity Sparrow. Are you related to Captain Jack Sparrow perchance? Think about the question carefully. You might understand my meaning.

[felicitysparrow]

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When you get your degrees it might be interesting to talk with you. But until then you have made a number of errors, not the least of which is you believe in a 10,000 year history for a world that the Bible tells us is only a bit over 6,000 years old. The attributes with which you paint our Dear Lord Jesus shows either a complete lack of understanding your 1611 King James Bible, or a failure to have read the Bible at all.

Oh, and welcome to our friendly forum Felicity minor, aka Felicity Sparrow. Are you related to Captain Jack Sparrow perchance? Think about the question carefully. You might understand my meaning.

Interestingly, we just had a lecture on the very concept of a 6000 year old earth! I have a good understanding of the Bible, both King James and otherwise and I belive that the creation in seven days is an amazingly constucted metaphor to help communicate the concept of creation to the everyday person.
This can be seen in several ways, for example the failure in the original Hebrew text to assign the word 'day' as in a 24 hour day to the periods of creation. Instead the literal translation for the Hebrew word states 'a period of time', leving the amount of time open to interpretation.
Also, the creation story has large paralells to the Babylonian Creation myth as well as other creation myths around the east at the time, however it emphasises that God created all the things that the pagan religions worshipped, putting him in the position of an ultimate creator, whilst using a creation myth oncept that was easy for the people at the time to understand.
God is a pretty awesome author!

And unfortunately, Jack Sparrow is a fictional character, so I can't claim any relation xD

[Lycia The Repentant]

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Hello, friend.

Interestingly, we just had a lecture on the very concept of a 6000 year old earth! I have a good understanding of the Bible, both King James and otherwise and I belive that the creation in seven days is an amazingly constucted metaphor to help communicate the concept of creation to the everyday person.
This can be seen in several ways, for example the failure in the original Hebrew text to assign the word 'day' as in a 24 hour day to the periods of creation. Instead the literal translation for the Hebrew word states 'a period of time', leving the amount of time open to interpretation.
Also, the creation story has large paralells to the Babylonian Creation myth as well as other creation myths around the east at the time, however it emphasises that God created all the things that the pagan religions worshipped, putting him in the position of an ultimate creator, whilst using a creation myth oncept that was easy for the people at the time to understand.
God is a pretty awesome author!

And unfortunately, Jack Sparrow is a real character, so I can't claim any relation xD

Interesting, will you allow me to ask you a question though? Do you think other parts in the Bible are also metaphorical?

For example, do you think God literally created two people from which all of humanity descended? How about the Flood and Noah's Ark? The Tower of Babel? Jesus's virgin birth? Jesus's resurrection?

Thanks in advance for answering that for me.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Interestingly, we just had a lecture on the very concept of a 6000 year old earth! I have a good understanding of the Bible, both King James and otherwise and I belive that the creation in seven days is an amazingly constucted metaphor to help communicate the concept of creation to the everyday person.
This can be seen in several ways, for example the failure in the original Hebrew text to assign the word 'day' as in a 24 hour day to the periods of creation. Instead the literal translation for the Hebrew word states 'a period of time', leving the amount of time open to interpretation.

Funny, I was just explaining this to some unsaved trash the other day.

For in six days

days=yowm in Hebrew.

Strong's defines yowm as

b) day (24 hour period)
1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
2) as a division of time
a) a working day, a day's journey


For yet seven days yowm , and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days yowm and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Does that mean the earth went for a period nearly six times the creation with a man and all the animals on a boat?

Num 11:19 Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days yowm , neither ten days yowm , nor twenty days yowm ;

That is a long time to go without eating by your metric.

The term eon is Greek. Let's look at the Greek Septuagint. The Greek Old Testament hmera is used for day. Our friends over at studylight define hmera as

the day, used of the natural day, or the interval between sunrise and sunset, as distinguished from and contrasted with the night.

Do you still think the Bible is referring to a metaphorical day?

[Bible Student]

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Originally Posted by Bible Student
When you get your degrees it might be interesting to talk with you. But until then you have made a number of errors, not the least of which is you believe in a 10,000 year history for a world that the Bible tells us is only a bit over 6,000 years old. The attributes with which you paint our Dear Lord Jesus shows either a complete lack of understanding your 1611 King James Bible, or a failure to have read the Bible at all.

Oh, and welcome to our friendly forum Felicity minor, aka Felicity Sparrow. Are you related to Captain Jack Sparrow perchance? Think about the question carefully. You might understand my meaning.

Interestingly, we just had a lecture on the very concept of a 6000 year old earth! I have a good understanding of the Bible, both King James and otherwise and I belive that the creation in seven days is an amazingly constucted metaphor to help communicate the concept of creation to the everyday person.
This can be seen in several ways, for example the failure in the original Hebrew text to assign the word 'day' as in a 24 hour day to the periods of creation. Instead the literal translation for the Hebrew word states 'a period of time', leving the amount of time open to interpretation.
Also, the creation story has large paralells to the Babylonian Creation myth as well as other creation myths around the east at the time, however it emphasises that God created all the things that the pagan religions worshipped, putting him in the position of an ultimate creator, whilst using a creation myth oncept that was easy for the people at the time to understand.
God is a pretty awesome author!

And unfortunately, Jack Sparrow is a real character, so I can't claim any relation xD

RUN AWAY FROM THAT SCHOOL! You have idiots for instructors. They know nothing about Hebrew. Or they lied to you. Either way you need to ask for your money back.

How do you explain this passage taken from Genesis 1:5?

Genesis 1:5 -- And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום אחד

ויהי־ and there was
ערב evening
ויהי־ and there was
בקר morning
יום day
אחד one

Now compare that verse with:

Genesis 3:8 -- And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves
from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

לרוח היום

לרוח the cool
היום of the day

Exactly how many eons do you think God was walking in the garden and Adam and his wife were hiding? Eons seem like a very long time to play a hide and seek game. Let us explore one more example to show how ignorant your pretend teachers really are.

Genesis 7:13 -- In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

בעצם היום

בעצם the very
היום day

I know that Adam and his wife were getting along in years but do you really think it took them eons to walk up the Ark ramp? For your information ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר was the Hebrew poetic method of designating a 24 hour day. Conversely "and it was day and it was night" also conveyed the meaning of a 24 hour day.

You might also want to do a search on Billy Bob Black's recent post for more examples of how wrong your teachers are.

[Jedediah]

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Interestingly, we just had a lecture on the very concept of a 6000 year old earth! I have a good understanding of the Bible, both King James and otherwise and I belive that the creation in seven days is an amazingly constucted metaphor to help communicate the concept of creation to the everyday person.
This can be seen in several ways, for example the failure in the original Hebrew text to assign the word 'day' as in a 24 hour day to the periods of creation. Instead the literal translation for the Hebrew word states 'a period of time', leving the amount of time open to interpretation.
Also, the creation story has large paralells to the Babylonian Creation myth as well as other creation myths around the east at the time, however it emphasises that God created all the things that the pagan religions worshipped, putting him in the position of an ultimate creator, whilst using a creation myth oncept that was easy for the people at the time to understand.
God is a pretty awesome author!

I have a hard time seeing how someone who refuses to accept God's Word at face value is truly motivated by the Holy Spirit. Young miss, I have read the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) several times, and I talk with Jesus multiple times every day. My thoughts, words and deeds are guided by the Holy Spirit. Not once has my analysis of the Bible, my examination of the supposed "evidence" for an "old earth", or the voice of the Spirit inside me led me to believe in this farce you advocate. Your bucket holds no water, lady.

The only people who claim that the Holy Bible is metaphorical are false Christians who want to have their cake and eat it too. They cherry-pick verses of Scripture that do not conflict with their vain, preconceived worldview just as they cherry-pick the so-called "findings" of secular science to fit what they would like to believe is true. True Christians™ follow the entire Bible, and our discernment in determining what is True and what is not is guided by the Holy Spirit. Not once has the Spirit told me to ignore a single verse of Scripture.

II Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You're playing with fire when you get into this game of picking and choosing which verses of Scripture to follow and which ones to ignore. If you start throwing verses of Scripture under the bus, where does it stop for you? Do you throw out the Ten Commandments? Do you throw out the prohibitions against bestiality? You're on a slippery slope, and it seems that God has brought you here just in time.

Are you going to follow the Word of God and be guided by the Holy Spirit, or are you going to be deceived by fallen men who concoct these bizarre "theories" either out of ignorance or contempt for the Judeo-Christian Principles upon which our Great Nation was founded? I suggest you contemplate on the following verse of Scripture. I do not think that it can be overemphasized.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Our job is not to ask "why." Our job is to glorify God in all that we do and to seek His Face. He has told us all that we need to know in the Holy Bible, and He has given us the Holy Spirit to guide our actions on a day-to-day basis.

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor? Simply put, it is a principle that states that the simplest explanation is always correct. What simpler explanation could there be for these questions (which, incidentally, are largely beside the point, as they are not Salvation™ issues) than to just say "the Bible is right"?

[felicitysparrow]

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I have a hard time seeing how someone who refuses to accept God's Word at face value is truly motivated by the Holy Spirit.

The Bible is a book right? I have absolutely no doubt that God wouldn't have written a book unless he wanted it to be subject to interpretation.

I don't see myself as picking and choosing, but reading respectively in a time when Science has shown us the wonders of God's meticulous design, just as those people who read the 7 day creation myth would have found it relevent to their context thousands of years ago.

But each to his own, I might find it cause for worship at the complexity of evolution and the big bang, and you may not. In the end, it is our trust in Jesus and the slavation that comes with asking for forgiveness that will get us to Heaven not how long it took to create the earth!

[Zechariah Smyth]

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The Bible is a book right?

Yes, in the same way that the Grand Canyon is a ditch.

I have absolutely no doubt that God wouldn't have written a book unless he wanted it to be subject to interpretation.

If you have "absolutely no doubt" then I'm sure you wouldn't have any trouble whatsoever providing a biblical chapter and verse to support that extraordinary claim.

I don't see myself as picking and choosing

Of course you don't. Every fluffy bunny picker-and-chooser that I've ever encountered has said the EXACT SAME THING.

but reading respectively in a time when Science has shown us the wonders of God's meticulous design, just as those people who read the 7 day creation myth would have found it relevent to their context thousands of years ago.

Why does the passage of time have to diminish God's Word? If anything it gets better all the time!

But each to his own, I might find it cause for worship at the complexity of evolution and the big bang, and you may not. In the end, it is our trust in Jesus and the slavation that comes with asking for forgiveness that will get us to Heaven not how long it took to create the earth!

Why can't you simply bask in the Glory that all He has made without trying to complicate it with a lot of scientific mumbo-jumbo? Seriously, people insist on making things so complicated, when in fact they are quite simple.

YiC,

The Vicar

[PetitionLady]

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Welcome miss, and keep learning. There's a wealth of Godly information on this forum which Jesus led you to. Glory!

---------------

Brother Vicar

Why can't you simply bask in the Glory that all He has made without trying to complicate it with a lot of scientific mumbo-jumbo? Seriously, people insist on making things so complicated, when in fact they are quite simple.

YiC,

The Vicar

Beautifully said! Whenever I come across mumbo-jumbo and my mind starts to wander, I remind myself of the first few words of Psalm 46:10. Be still, and know that I am God

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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The Bible is a book right? I have absolutely no doubt that God wouldn't have written a book unless he wanted it to be subject to interpretation.

Except the scriptures themselves would say otherwise.

2 Peter 1:20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I don't see myself as picking and choosing, but reading respectively in a time when Science has shown us the wonders of God's meticulous design, just as those people who read the 7 day creation myth would have found it relevent to their context thousands of years ago.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that you are essentially either calling God a liar or His prophets liars.

Couldn't God have easily told Moses that the earth is round, it is older than he could imagine and etc? Of course instead, God tells Moses that He created the earth is six days.

9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Did God lie to Moses? Of course not. God cannot lie.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Did Moses lie? Was he a charlatan who didn't really talk to God and he made the Ten Commandments up to get an unruly mob of desert wanderers to behave?

Of course not! Moses was second only to Jesus.

Hebrews 3:1-2 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

But each to his own, I might find it cause for worship at the complexity of evolution and the big bang, and you may not. In the end, it is our trust in Jesus and the slavation that comes with asking for forgiveness that will get us to Heaven not how long it took to create the earth!

By next semester you'll be telling us that Jesus wasn't really born of a virgin because science says it's impossible. He didn't really die and come back to life. He was just in a coma for three dies after being crucified.

[felicitysparrow]

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Except the scriptures themselves would say otherwise.

2 Peter 1:20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.



The problem with that line of reasoning is that you are essentially either calling God a liar or His prophets liars.

Couldn't God have easily told Moses that the earth is round, it is older than he could imagine and etc? Of course instead, God tells Moses that He created the earth is six days.

9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Did God lie to Moses? Of course not. God cannot lie.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Did Moses lie? Was he a charlatan who didn't really talk to God and he made the Ten Commandments up to get an unruly mob of desert wanderers to behave?

Of course not! Moses was second only to Jesus.

Hebrews 3:1-2 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.



By next semester you'll be telling us that Jesus wasn't really born of a virgin because science says it's impossible. He didn't really die and come back to life. He was just in a coma for three dies after being crucified.

Unfortunately, I will be unable to fulfill your expected theological changes by next semester as, number one, I'm a Christian, and number two, this is Archaeology we're studying, not Religious Education.
The conflict with archaeology and the young earthers is of couse that they belive that it didn't exist 10 000 years ago when it sort of did. And there were people on it.

And God didn't lie to Moses, there is a big difference between metaphor/allegory and a lie. Just look at the parables and ask yourself, did Jesus lie about the morals presented in his stories just beciause the situations didn't happen?

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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And God didn't lie to Moses, there is a big difference between metaphor/allegory and a lie.

Didn't I already explain to you using the Hebrew how it is not allegorical?

Just look at the parables and ask yourself, did Jesus lie about the morals presented in his stories just beciause the situations didn't happen?

Not at all. In fact, you are making my point for me. When Jesus speaks in parables, it is clearly marked as a parable. When He speaks plainly, it doesn't say anything about Jesus speaking in a parable.

Do you see how that works?