Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

[Imperialfool]

Hello Baptists. I stumbled upon this site on an anime forums that I was browsing that was making fun of your methods of thinking. I personally find this community to be fascinating and as a fellow Christian, I figured I'd join, interact with you all and really get to know you guys better.

From what I've seen, you guys are really different from the Christianity I believe in. For example, I don't believe that Pentecostals are damned to Hell. In fact, I'm listening to one of Hillsong's music right now.

I also don't believe that Christians should shun everything in our current day and age. I see a lot of that around the forums. As evil as this World is, how can we go out there and rescue those unsaved souls without knowing how they think? What StarCraft II player not in Bronze would attack without scouting?

Anyway, my profile is all complete truth. I am a true Christian and I abide by the Westminster Confession of Faith. I am Calvinistic but believes strictly in Single (not Double) Predestination. I have hobbies aside from worshipping God, such as anime and gaming (which this forum has already deemed as an attack from Satan). As stated, I do not believe any of this to be a sin and I look forward to interesting discussions and a good time on the forums.

[Imperialfool]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

Oh, and my church. I go to Ebenzer Bible-Presbyterian Church in Melbourne CBD. My favourite Bible verse is Matthew 6:27, "Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?". I lived my whole life to this.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

If you don't believe in double predestination, how do you explain Romans 9, buddy boy?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

Oh, and my church. I go to Ebenzer Bible-Presbyterian Church in Melbourne CBD. My favourite Bible verse is Matthew 6:27, "Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?". I lived my whole life to this.

Which demonic "bible" are you quoting? It certainly isn't the KJV1611, the only one Approved by God Himself©.

Here is what you should have:

"Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?"

Doesn't that make a lot more sense? Isn't it more lyrical and beautiful and CORRECT?

That abomination you quoted looks like it could've been written by some POME gamer shemale-anime worshiper.



YiC,

Z. Smyth

[Imperialfool]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

If you don't believe in double predestination, how do you explain Romans 9, buddy boy?

I didn't join the forums for theology debates...we're all brothers in Christ. =/

But if you really want my answer to Romans 9, God predetermined whom He would love from among all the wicked of this world polluted with sin. He had mercy on whoever He wanted and predestinated 'them' that they would come to Christ and obtain Salvation. He did not predestinate Esau, He hated him and thus did not Save him from his own sin unto condemnation. He hardened Him or allowed him to sin willfully by taking away His hand of restraint, and using Esau's hardness of heart to His own glory. i.e., He did not actively 'make' Esau sin, He removed his hand of restraint over his sin. It is extremely important to understand this most basic of truths, in that God makes no man to sin. That is a constant, a given, and an immutable law. Therefore, let no man say that by God hardening his heart, He was predestinating, or actively predestining Esau to sin unto condemnation. That is an indefensible position. Thus again, double predestination is untenable.

It is also evident that God foreknew those whom He elected unto Salvation in a way that He never knew the non-elect. So what does that tell us of those that are not predestinated unto Salvation? It is quite clear that God did not know them personally, nor love them that they would be elect. Obviously it is not necessary that God actively work to 'not-know' the vessels of destruction, they simply do not actively receive the blessings, care, and love that is given to the chosen. In other words, God knows those whom He loves actively and intimately and He chose them, while there was no action taken for the rest to condemnation, they simply are allowed to continue in their sins unto judgment. Some more than others. Thus they are ordained by God unto condemnation. God never knew them to predetermine their works in Christ, or in Satan.

Which demonic "bible" are you quoting? It certainly isn't the KJV1611, the only one Approved by God Himself©.

That abomination you quoted looks like it could've been written by some POME gamer shemale-anime worshiper.

This is precisely the type of conversations I joined this forums to have. I personally do not believe that the NIV is anything 'demonic'. So much effort have been put into that translation and it has made the Bible more accessible than ever before. I'm sure millions of souls were saved reading the NIV.

I agree - King James is beautiful. I use it in my church. They are Bible-Presbyterian after all.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

I didn't join the forums for theology debates...we're all brothers in Christ. =/

Oh no, we certainly are not <add some stupid internet meme smiley>!

But if you really want my answer to Romans 9, God predetermined whom He would love from among all the wicked of this world polluted with sin. He had mercy on whoever He wanted and predestinated 'them' that they would come to Christ and obtain Salvation. He did not predestinate Esau, He hated him and thus did not Save him from his own sin unto condemnation. He hardened Him or allowed him to sin willfully by taking away His hand of restraint, and using Esau's hardness of heart to His own glory. i.e., He did not actively 'make' Esau sin, He removed his hand of restraint over his sin. It is extremely important to understand this most basic of truths, in that God makes no man to sin. That is a constant, a given, and an immutable law. Therefore, let no man say that by God hardening his heart, He was predestinating, or actively predestining Esau to sin unto condemnation. That is an indefensible position. Thus again, double predestination is untenable.

Are you really talking like this to a long standing member of our congregation?

This is precisely the type of conversations I joined this forums to have. I personally do not believe that the NIV is anything 'demonic'. So much effort have been put into that translation and it has made the Bible more accessible than ever before. I'm sure millions of souls were saved reading the NIV.

Girl, I have news for you. This is NOT a debate forum. If you'd have bothered to read the important threads, you would have known.

Instead, you chose to attack Brother Enoch, who is still studying the Holy KJV whilst trying to abstain from eating too much whale blubber. DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD THAT IS?

I agree - King James is beautiful. I use it in my church. They are Bible-Presbyterian after all.

It's not beautiful, it is the WORD OF GOD.

The idea of false Christians like you touching one makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

I didn't join the forums for theology debates...we're all brothers in Christ. =/

But if you really want my answer to Romans 9, God predetermined whom He would love from among all the wicked of this world polluted with sin. He had mercy on whoever He wanted and predestinated 'them' that they would come to Christ and obtain Salvation. He did not predestinate Esau, He hated him and thus did not Save him from his own sin unto condemnation. He hardened Him or allowed him to sin willfully by taking away His hand of restraint, and using Esau's hardness of heart to His own glory. i.e., He did not actively 'make' Esau sin, He removed his hand of restraint over his sin. It is extremely important to understand this most basic of truths, in that God makes no man to sin. That is a constant, a given, and an immutable law. Therefore, let no man say that by God hardening his heart, He was predestinating, or actively predestining Esau to sin unto condemnation. That is an indefensible position. Thus again, double predestination is untenable.

It is also evident that God foreknew those whom He elected unto Salvation in a way that He never knew the non-elect. So what does that tell us of those that are not predestinated unto Salvation? It is quite clear that God did not know them personally, nor love them that they would be elect. Obviously it is not necessary that God actively work to 'not-know' the vessels of destruction, they simply do not actively receive the blessings, care, and love that is given to the chosen. In other words, God knows those whom He loves actively and intimately and He chose them, while there was no action taken for the rest to condemnation, they simply are allowed to continue in their sins unto judgment. Some more than others. Thus they are ordained by God unto condemnation. God never knew them to predetermine their works in Christ, or in Satan.

You sure seem to attribute a lot to God that is not mentioned in the Bible.

Romans 1 tells us

21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (which says they at one point were aware of God, and later abandoned them. God did not just abandon them, but actually darkened their heart)

...

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

If these people were always evil because God never connected with them, God could not just "give them over to a reprobate mind" because they would already have been reprobates. God is darkening their hearts to make them even more evil.

2 Thessalonians tells us of those about the wicked,

2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God didn't just abandon their minds. He sent them delusions. He actively makes them believe lies, so that they may be damned.

God often makes people believe lies to lead them to their own ruination. He is actively involved in sending people to hell.

1 Kings 22:23 Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2 Chronicles 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.

Jeremiah 4:10 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.

Jeremiah 20:7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

This is precisely the type of conversations I joined this forums to have. I personally do not believe that the NIV is anything 'demonic'. So much effort have been put into that translation and it has made the Bible more accessible than ever before. I'm sure millions of souls were saved reading the NIV.

No.

http://www.av1611.org/niv.html

"This generation has a hunger for perversion. What was perversion just a few years ago, is now "normal". What was "hiding" in the closet is now "parading" in our streets. Perversion has found a welcome home - from the living room, to the White House; from our churches - to even the word of God! Our friend Webster, defines "pervert" as 1. to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true... 2. to twist the meaning or sense of: misinterpret (Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1977, p.856).
A perfect definition of The New International Version (NIV): "to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true" and "to twist the meaning or sense of". If you doubt that, before you start reading this tract - get the NIV and check it as you read this tract!

The NIV perverts the deity of Jesus Christ! I TIMOTHY 3:16: The clearest verse in the Bible proclaiming that Jesus Christ was God. The King James Bible (KJ reads, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH. . ." The King James says, plainly, "GOD was manifest in the flesh". The NIV reads, "HE appeared in a body". The NIV "twists" "GOD" to "HE". "HE appeared in a body"? So What? Everyone has "appeared in a body"! "He" is a pronoun that refers to a noun or antecedent. There is no antecedent in the context! The statement does NOT make sense!"

NIV Blasphemy:

www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/blasphemy.htm

"Did Jesus Christ ever begin? No, of course not, He has always been. Jesus is God, and has no origin (Hebrews 7:3). If He did, then He wouldn't be God. So if the NIV says that Jesus had an origin, you know it's blasphemy! In Micah 5:2, God the Father is prophesying the birth of His Son in a particular town, Bethlehem.

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." -Micah 5:2 (King James Bible)

Did you read that... "FROM EVERLASTING." Well that would be in the past forever. It means forever! Now read what the diabolical NIV says...

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." (New International Version)

...from ancient times? This makes Jesus a Creature within time. By the way, it's dumb to say "origins." How can you have more than one origin? How can you start more than once? This just shows how stupid these people are who put the NIV together. It says that Jesus originated... that His origins were within TIME. BLASPHEMY!!! It's wicked, vile, devilish, Hellish, blasphemy! That's your New Age NIV.
You are listening to Dr. Al Lacy preach against the damnable NIV. The following powerful Real Audio sermons defending the King James Bible are by Dr. Al Lacy:

• The King James Bible
• Buy a Sword, Not a Garden Tool
• Where is the Word of God?
  

Why Would Anyone Use the NIV?

A Despository of Information: The NIV and blasphemy

The NIV is full of errors

BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY GHOST IN NIV

Blasphemy of the NIV Translation

http://www.1john57.com/isaiah1412.htm

"This outline will clearly show that the NIV deceitfully manipulates the Hebrew definition of "heylel" to be defined as "morning star." The Book of Job clearly proves the error in the NIV. The definition of Satan does not define him as a "morning star." Morning Star is Jesus Christ. Lucifer was Satan's name when he was in heaven, "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." ---Ezekiel 28:15 The Hebrew word for "morning star" is boqer kowkab. Even the New Testament parallels Isaiah 14:12! NIV: Isaiah 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!"
KJV: Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
SCRIPTURAL PROOF Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From
going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlastingchains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every
god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the
beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their
multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. "

[Bible Student]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

Originally Posted by Brother Enoch
If you don't believe in double predestination, how do you explain Romans 9, buddy boy?

I didn't join the forums for theology debates...we're all brothers in Christ. =/

But if you really want my answer to Romans 9, God predetermined whom He would love from among all the wicked of this world polluted with sin. He had mercy on whoever He wanted and predestinated 'them' that they would come to Christ and obtain Salvation. He did not predestinate Esau, He hated him and thus did not Save him from his own sin unto condemnation. He hardened Him or allowed him to sin willfully by taking away His hand of restraint, and using Esau's hardness of heart to His own glory. i.e., He did not actively 'make' Esau sin, He removed his hand of restraint over his sin. It is extremely important to understand this most basic of truths, in that God makes no man to sin. That is a constant, a given, and an immutable law. Therefore, let no man say that by God hardening his heart, He was predestinating, or actively predestining Esau to sin unto condemnation. That is an indefensible position. Thus again, double predestination is untenable.

And yet you gave the very definition of double predestination. You just copied and pasted your explanation from somewhere else, didn't you? Worse yet, you did not understand what you copied.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

It is extremely important to understand this most basic of truths, in that God makes no man to sin.

God hardens Pharaoh's heart causing him to sin by not allowing the Children of Israel leave so He can show His power.
Exodus 9:16 And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.

God makes Pharaoh chase after Moses even after God has visited all the plagues upon Egypt.

Exodus 14:4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so.

God causes another army to go to hell by attacking Israel so they could be destroyed.

Joshua 11:20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Rehoboam is convinced by God to do wrong and make the yoke of the Israelites heavier so God can put Jeroboam on the throne.

1 Kings 12:15 Wherefore the king hearkened not unto the people; for the cause was from the LORD, that he might perform his saying, which the LORD spake by Ahijah the Shilonite unto Jeroboam the son of Nebat.

God hated Esau so much He punished his descendants.

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

God sends a spirit to make the entire nation of Egypt sin.

Isaiah 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

That is an indefensible position. Thus again, double predestination is untenable.

If God chooses whom He will save, what happens to those He doesn't choose to save? Of course God causes them to sin or else they would be believers in Jesus and would go to Heaven.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

And yet you gave the very definition of double predestination. You just copied and pasted your explanation from somewhere else, didn't you? Worse yet, you did not understand what you copied.

Maybe from right about HERE?

I've been told copypasta is a favorite meal of Pastafarians.

[Bible Student]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

Originally Posted by Bible Student
And yet you gave the very definition of double predestination. You just copied and pasted your explanation from somewhere else, didn't you? Worse yet, you did not understand what you copied.

Maybe from right about HERE?I've been told copypasta is a favorite meal of Pastafarians.

B - I - N - G - O.

[barton]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

I have hobbies aside from worshipping God, such as anime and gaming (which this forum has already deemed as an attack from Satan). As stated, I do not believe any of this to be a sin

You consider worshiping God to be a hobby, just like anime and gaming? You're not off to a very good start here! Do you even have permission from your husband to be here?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Evangelical Christian dropping in for a chat.

To be honest, I was quite let down. I thought we had a good challenge here, an artist who can twist Scripture so convincingly as to go toe-to-toe with our elite Biblical scholars. But, it was nothing more than a teenage weeaboo with cut-and-paste skills.