[Alvin]

Re: Physics Rules

Brother Alvin, while I most certainly applaud your effort to teach these retards a bit of their own "science", I have to state that Feynman is a filthy Joo. Even Columbia didn't accept him, so he had to make do with MIT. And yes, he did help God to punish the Japanese, but then again God can perfectly well do this without any kike help.

I also think that Feynman himself sabotaged the "Challenger". That, or all his mumbo jumbo about "O-rings" (sounds pretty sexural to me... "rubber"... "blowby" ) was just a hoax to hide the fact that God does NOT want intruders in His Heaven - even if they are American.

That said, I know your heart is in the right place, and I'm sure The Baby Jesus will forgive you.

Wide Open,

thank you for pointing out these important facts! I can see how my comment could be misunderstood to be somehow recommending Feynman, when I was merely pointing out that even this Physicisticians' false Idol was contradicting him.

In addition to your valuable comments, if there had ever been any doubt that our brains, lovingly designed by ALMIGHTY GOD to believe in and worship HIM, were simply not meant to be exposed to and twisted by advanced particle physics, this glorious evidence of how God obviously smote Feynman with Holy Dementia for all his sins should clear it up!

I hope Sweet Baby Jesus will forgive me.

GLORY!


YiC,

Alvin

[Reverand Stubber]

Re: Physics Rules

Ah yes, physics exists because I can test and verify any scientific principle I so desire each and every day. Can you call upon the name of god and have him/her/it appear each and every day for existence verification? I doubt it.

This whole Science thing is a joke. What can Science actually do? It can't predict the weather accurately. It can't stop earthquakes and tsunamis.It is unable to accurately predict and prevent global economic meltdown. It can't cure AIDS and it can't make a Hindi chase a cow. Only the Joy of the Good Lord in His Heaven can move mountains, bring to an end thermonuclear conflict and drive fornicatiors, adulterers and sodomites to full repentance. Repent for your hour glass is soon to be emptied.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Physics Rules

This whole Science thing is a joke. What can Science actually do? It can't predict the weather accurately. It can't stop earthquakes and tsunamis.It is unable to accurately predict and prevent global economic meltdown. It can't cure AIDS and it can't make a Hindi chase a cow. Only the Joy of the Good Lord in His Heaven can move mountains, bring to an end thermonuclear conflict and drive fornicatiors, adulterers and sodomites to full repentance. Repent for your hour glass is soon to be emptied.

Secular science is well described here by the Creation Science team, and by the Pastors as atheistic, communistic, satanic (exploiting demonic "energy") and anti-God.

The Bible does mention a different kind of science - TRUE science, with a 6,000 year established body of peer reviewed material that is second to none.

Daniel 1
3 And the king spake vnto Ashpenaz the master of his Eunuches, that he should bring certaine of the children of Israel, and of the kings seed, and of the Princes:
4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well fauoured, and skilfull in all wisedome, and cunning in knowledge, and
vnderstanding science, and such as had abilitie in them to stand in the Kings palace, and whom they might teach the learning, and the tongue of the Caldeans.
5 And the King appointed them a daily prouision of the kings meat, and of the wine which he dranke: so nourishing them three yeeres, that at the ende thereof they might stand before the king.
©1611

Even when the king went mad and started throwing them to lions and dumping them in fiery furnaces, their wisdom and their integrity gave them the faith they needed to be delivered - not by the cheap tricks of the physics laboratory, but by the Mighty Hand of God - a fact they at all times acknowledged. How unlike the modern secularist, wretched, obsessional, denying the very existence of the One True God, the ONLY GOD, who made them, made the world they live in and who breathed the first breath into the nostrils of Adam.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a liuing soule.
©1611

There are no hypotheses with God, no trial and error, no Aunt Sallys to knock down! In 6 days He made everything, the whole world and everything in it, the sky and everything attached to it and the very breath which sustains even those wretched fools who deny everything we see all around us.

Without God, all they have left is Satan.

[Reverand Stubber]

Re: Physics Rules

Secular science is well described here by the Creation Science team, and by the Pastors as atheistic, communistic, satanic (exploiting demonic "energy") and anti-God.

The Bible does mention a different kind of science - TRUE science, with a 6,000 year established body of peer reviewed material that is second to none.

Daniel 1
3 And the king spake vnto Ashpenaz the master of his Eunuches, that he should bring certaine of the children of Israel, and of the kings seed, and of the Princes:
4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well fauoured, and skilfull in all wisedome, and cunning in knowledge, and
vnderstanding science, and such as had abilitie in them to stand in the Kings palace, and whom they might teach the learning, and the tongue of the Caldeans.
5 And the King appointed them a daily prouision of the kings meat, and of the wine which he dranke: so nourishing them three yeeres, that at the ende thereof they might stand before the king.
©1611

Even when the king went mad and started throwing them to lions and dumping them in fiery furnaces, their wisdom and their integrity gave them the faith they needed to be delivered - not by the cheap tricks of the physics laboratory, but by the Mighty Hand of God - a fact they at all times acknowledged. How unlike the modern secularist, wretched, obsessional, denying the very existence of the One True God, the ONLY GOD, who made them, made the world they live in and who breathed the first breath into the nostrils of Adam.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a liuing soule.
©1611

There are no hypotheses with God, no trial and error, no Aunt Sallys to knock down! In 6 days He made everything, the whole world and everything in it, the sky and everything attached to it and the very breath which sustains even those wretched fools who deny everything we see all around us.

Without God, all they have left is Satan.

Praise the Lord and save us All from the corruption, sodomy and blaspheming ways of the sorcerer-physicist!

[True Disciple]

Re: Physics Rules

The people on this forum appear to have degress in "dumbology". With your assistance, we might be able to convert a few of them to the truth through science.

Scientific "truth" will always lose out to God's Truth™. You seem to be trying to convert us to think rationally. However, every True Christian™ knows that the practice of independent thinking is considered a sin by God. You can read here why we believe that.

Just let me repeat some important Scripture where God says he hates rational thinking:

Luke 10:21:
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

You may think yourself to be very smart, but God closed your eyes to the Christian Truth™, Which He deliberately hid from you. Not a billion proven scientific facts can stand against that! Also, note that Jesus rejoiced because God did that: Obviously He didn't want Heaven to be filled with insufferable scientific smartasses. He prefers to see them suffer unspeakable agonies in Hell for all eternity.

1 Corinthians 3:18-20:
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

To become wise for God, we have to become fools for the world. This is why science and Christianity are irreconcilable. We don't care about your "logic," "rationality" and "facts:"

1 Timothy 6:3-5:
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

You can bombard us with a hundred "proofs" as to why the Bible and/or God would be wrong, but we aren't even allowed to listen to anyone who does not bring the True Doctrine™. So, don't even try, we'll just put our fingers in our ears as we always do. That's the Biblically Correct™ way.

Praise be to quantum mechanics!

I don't think there is a single person on this earth, friend, that doesn't think you're a loon after uttering that.

My PhD is in the field of Microbiology. I work in a federally funded lab where we are researching the origins of life. Solving this has been a thorn in our side for years but I am confident that we will triumph in the end. I earned my degree at Stanford.

We already have that answer. God did it.

And here we also see why True Christians™ are so much smarter than you atheists: we have known this as long as we exist, and no one has ever had to put more than a few seconds of thought into it. You, on the other hand, want to find a solution by yourself, resulting in many decades of tedious and exhausting work by thousands of scientists, constantly checking and double checking your results, and you still don't know.

Although the bible thumping on this site gives me a migraine there is more hope here than I have seen among my co-workers who cling to some outdated view of morality. At least the folks on this site agree with us about not wasting our resources on the handicapped and survival of the fittest. They call it by different names like, "god hates cripples" or "the bible supports slavery" but in the end we are on the same page.

This is very new for me as well, you know.

Since about the 16th Century, atheists and humanists around the world have been busying themselves destroying Biblical Morality worldwide by introducing demonic, unbiblical ideas like human rights, freedom of religion, science based on rational inquiry instead of unquestioning Faith, environmentalism, racial equality, cultural tolerance and lots of other utterly detestable things True Christians™ have opposed through the centuries, because they stuck to the Bible instead of their "conscience." Are you some kind of splinter group?

You and I beleive we should do genetic testing and nuke the handicap in the womb.

Again, you atheists are defending abortionism. But the fact is, if God punishes parents by giving them a retard baby (Exodus 4:1, God consciously creates retards), then we aren't allowed to evade this punishment by aborting them.

One day John Lennon's dream espoused in "Imagine" will come true. Who knows, maybe these are the beginnings? Let's work together to achieve Lennon's utopian dream!

Have you never heard that song? It wants people living in peace together, sharing everything and not caring about each other's iniquities, and other fluffy bunny hippie filth like that:

Imagine no possessions
It`s easy if you try
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

This Godmocking pervert was far from promoting the Godly, Biblical institutions like slavery and death penalty for unbelievers, I'm afraid.

Zechariah, good one. Ha you got me on that one! Even atheists have a sense of humor. That was obviously a typo. My recorded IQ is 157 but I can laugh at myself too. Some think we atheists have no sense of humor but we do.

Atheists certainly do have a sense of humor, which is why they aren't often sad people. However, we True Christians™ have no sense of humor, and we're proud of it. Mourning is better than laughing:

Proverbs 14:13
Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth is heaviness.

Ecclesiastes 2:2
I said of laughter, It is mad: and of mirth, What doeth it?

Ecclesiastes 7:3
Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.

James 4:8-10:
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

Dear True D.,

It is clear that you took a lot of time to answer my post and although I do not agree with much of what you say I at least owe you the respect of an answer for the effort that you put into it. So below is your question and under that is my answer.

You posted:

Since about the 16th Century, atheists and humanists around the world have been busying themselves destroying Biblical Morality worldwide by introducing demonic, unbiblical ideas like human rights, freedom of religion, science based on rational inquiry instead of unquestioning Faith, environmentalism, racial equality, cultural tolerance and lots of other utterly detestable things True Christians™ have opposed through the centuries, because they stuck to the Bible instead of their "conscience." Are you some kind of splinter group?

Here is my response:

It is true that humanists have been pushing things like human rights, environmentalism, racial equality, cultural tolerance and social reforms (yes even public health care) for several centuries. The mistake you make is lumping the true atheist-evolutionist together with the humanist. They are two different things. Humanists believe in some kind of pseudo-moralism that has its roots in Judeo-Christian thought and they usually don't even realize that they are stealing their morality from religion. A true athiest-evolutionist understands that there can be no morality in a universe of random mutations directed by natural selection. There is no room for morality in a world where the strong survive to pass on their genetic traits. If we allow ourselves to indulge in some kind of namby-pamby morality and start protecting the weak, the flawed and the dim witted then we will pass on inferior genetic material to future generations, endangering their ability to survive. We simply cannot afford this "feel good" humanist thinking. A true atheist-evolutionist takes a hard, almost harsh stance. We must boldy proclaim the fallacy of thought that accompanies this pseudo-religion called humanism.

So no, I am not from a "splinter group". I am part of the group of true believers (if you will) that bravely hold our heads high and embrace the consequences of evolutionary thought, rather than cowering to political correctness and to those who would call us hard hearted infidels for doing so. Yes to be sure there are those who call themselves atheists who hold to this pseudo-morality but they are not true atheists. They corrupt pure atheism and those of us who feel as I do hate them for it.

I hope this explains where I am coming from.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Physics Rules

Sounds rather cold hearted Rev. I thought you folks were supposed to love us sinners.

Tell me, Boob, is it "love" for me to continue to expend effort on someone uninterested in Jesus, thus neglecting someone who desires Salvation?

Were I to continue casting pearls before swine such as yourself, those eager for the Love of Jesus might do without, and end up joining you in Hell.

It supports my view that there is no real morality.

Well, there is no HUMAN morality. It only comes from God.

If I saw true "unconditional" love coming from you (isn't that what you call it - unconditional?) then I might be inclined to think there is some evidence for a god but your cold assessment of me tells me that we are basically of the same belief system. Bravo!

Omnibenevolence is not a Biblical concept. It is a warm-fuzzy-self-help-false-Christian-Oprahist concept.

God hates more than He loves. If you read the Bible, you'd know this.

I am so smart I could beat you guys with half my brain tied behind my back!

I would be happy to help you attempt this. Which half of your brain will we tie behind your back?

Supergeek,

Thank you for the compliment. I am curious what your recorded IQ is. Mine is 57.

Amazing, you made the same "typo" twice. How does that work, exactly?

Who knows, maybe these are the beginnings? Let's work together to achieve Lenin's utopian dream!

Fixed that for you.

Humanists believe in some kind of pseudo-moralism that has its roots in Judeo-Christian thought and they usually don't even realize that they are stealing their morality from religion. A true athiest-evolutionist understands that there can be no morality in a universe of random mutations directed by natural selection. There is no room for morality in a world where the strong survive to pass on their genetic traits. If we allow ourselves to indulge in some kind of namby-pamby morality and start protecting the weak, the flawed and the dim witted then we will pass on inferior genetic material to future generations, endangering their ability to survive.

Interesting. It's nice to see an atheist come clean about what they all really believe. Usually they are all going on about how "society dictates morality" and that "morality is a human construct based on what is evolutionarily advantageous, working together and cooperating" and all that jazz. We all know that morality can only come from God, which is why Hindus and Buddhists and Muslims and atheists and Wiccans are all amoral monsters.

Now that you have taken this first step, will you follow up and admit that you atheists also worship Satan and eat Christian babies?

[LilyAmong]

Re: Physics Rules

A true athiest-evolutionist understands that there can be no morality in a universe of random mutations directed by natural selection. There is no room for morality in a world where the strong survive to pass on their genetic traits. If we allow ourselves to indulge in some kind of namby-pamby morality and start protecting the weak, the flawed and the dim witted then we will pass on inferior genetic material to future generations, endangering their ability to survive. We simply cannot afford this "feel good" humanist thinking. A true atheist-evolutionist takes a hard, almost harsh stance. We must boldy proclaim the fallacy of thought that accompanies this pseudo-religion called humanism.

That's a rather archaic take on evolution, one that I thought was mostly abandoned sometime around WWII. You have demonstrated how subjective "logic" and "science" are, and why the Bible is the only Truth.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: Physics Rules

they usually don't even realize that they are stealing their morality from religion.

I have met many militant atheists at my Universalist Unitarian Church, I can assure you they are moral people. They are simply misguided.

Their biggest problem with Christianity is with that nasty and overbearing Yahweh of the Old Testament and all that ghastly stuff that is going to happen in the Revelation of John.

We tell them to throw those parts of it out. If it offends your sensibilities, just throw it out. Let's be honest. The stories of all the things that can't speak that do in the Bible like snakes, donkeys, burning bushes and etc. are simply ridiculous. I'm sure you would agree with that, being an atheist. I'm sure you don't believe that a man could live inside the belly of a fish for three days. To do so, would make someone a complete idiot.

We have also accepted that the six day creation thing is bogus too and I tell people to strike it from the Ten Commandments. It's not literal, anyway. Just follow the six commandments, as we now call them.

Poopy parts I want stricken from the Bible.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.



Good stuff that everyone should strive for.

12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

I try to teach them that Jesus may not have even ever existed. It doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be good people and try to get social justice and equality to the proletariat.

A true athiest-evolutionist understands that there can be no morality in a universe of random mutations directed by natural selection. There is no room for morality in a world where the strong survive to pass on their genetic traits.

I believe some of your scientists would disagree with that notion. It turns out, that among mammals, there is a strong tendency to protect your own from a biological perspective. Morality and the golden rule help the species propagate as a whole, therefore traits of those who live by the golden rule tend to live longer than those who who display the, "Me first. I'll kill you," types.

Even among dogs, there is a pecking order, but the alphas still allow their females to eat to feed their offspring. I'm sure that's the way God made them to behave morally, but it's such a shame that they will never get to Heaven as they couldn't accept Christ and be Baptized.

If we allow ourselves to indulge in some kind of namby-pamby morality and start protecting the weak, the flawed and the dim witted then we will pass on inferior genetic material to future generations, endangering their ability to survive.

That is an interesting premise, but the opposite seems to be happening in the U.S. The almost mentally handicapped conservative fundamentalists are the ones who are having scads of children and the Catholic Hispanics.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Physics Rules

...
A true athiest-evolutionist understands that there can be no morality in a universe of random mutations directed by natural selection. There is no room for morality in a world where the strong survive to pass on their genetic traits. If we allow ourselves to indulge in some kind of namby-pamby morality and start protecting the weak, the flawed and the dim witted then we will pass on inferior genetic material to future generations, endangering their ability to survive. We simply cannot afford this "feel good" humanist thinking. A true atheist-evolutionist takes a hard, almost harsh stance. We must boldy proclaim the fallacy of thought that accompanies this pseudo-religion called humanism.

So no, I am not from a "splinter group". I am part of the group of true believers (if you will) that bravely hold our heads high and embrace the consequences of evolutionary thought, rather than cowering to political correctness and to those who would call us hard hearted infidels for doing so. Yes to be sure there are those who call themselves atheists who hold to this pseudo-morality but they are not true atheists. They corrupt pure atheism and those of us who feel as I do hate them for it.

I hope this explains where I am coming from.

Nice little piece of sophistry there Bob the Boob, but let's see if you can stand up to being outed as a common troll, and not a very smart one at that.

If you indeed claim to adhere to your "fundamentalist" atheism and evolution, then where do you get off claiming that your little protons, neutrons, electrons, and Higgs bosons can spontaneously form DNA and somehow adopt an anthropomorphic "will" to "survive" through some higher level "genetic material" that got there through some undefined process and "wants" to be passed on. Indeed, your espoused reductionism backs you into an impossible intellectual corner when confronting the basic entropy put forward by your "science". You even lack the language to argue your point successfully, much less explain how this came about through some "big bang" and a "quark soup" that simmered in its own juices until it magically appeared ready made for your assertions.

Jesus is ready and waiting for you when you decide to abandon your hubris.

[True Disciple]

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It is true that humanists have been pushing things like human rights, environmentalism, racial equality, cultural tolerance and social reforms (yes even public health care) for several centuries. The mistake you make is lumping the true atheist-evolutionist together with the humanist. They are two different things.

There may be some sectarian difference, but I don't care very much. My point is that Darwin's evilutionism was based in the despicable culture of humanist secular science, instead of the Bible.

If Darwin had believed in God, he would have realized that it is wrong to just research what is in nature and draw logical conclusions based on your findings, because God forbids that in the Bible, and His Logic always trumps our logic, as He is the Creator of the Heaven and the Earth, while we are puny, insignificant mortals, and most of us are created primarily to serve as fuel for the Fires of Hell (Proverbs 16:4).

Humanists believe in some kind of pseudo-moralism that has its roots in Judeo-Christian thought and they usually don't even realize that they are stealing their morality from religion.

That, my friend, is complete nonsense, and I don't like it that you insult my religion by claiming that it would promote that secular hogwash!

I have explained in this thread why each and every one of the things I named are brainchilds of Godless, demonic, humanist freethinking, not Christianity.

A true athiest-evolutionist understands that there can be no morality in a universe of random mutations directed by natural selection.

I've never met one who actually said that, even though it is true, of course, that atheism negates morality. After all, the only thing keeping most of the human population from doing evil things is their Fear of God (read here again why this is important). If there wasn't Fear of God, we would all start murdering, raping and pillaging each other, while now, we only murder, rape and pillage when God allows it, as He did allow the Israelites to murder, rape and pillage the Midianites in Numbers 31:

Numbers 31:1-18:
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

There is no room for morality in a world where the strong survive to pass on their genetic traits.

That is true. The obvious existence of morality is therefore definite proof that genes don't exist, and modern genetics is a ridiculous atheist lie.

We simply cannot afford this "feel good" humanist thinking. A true atheist-evolutionist takes a hard, almost harsh stance. We must boldy proclaim the fallacy of thought that accompanies this pseudo-religion called humanism.

Again, friend, you might try to save your face by dissociating yourself from this evil, humanist way of thinking, but you're not fooling God, and neither are you fooling me. We all know very well that most atheists are humanists, and they use their silly theory of evilution to prove that empathy and morality "evolved to strengthen groups of people" when living together, as it supposedly does as well in other animal groups. How stupid is that? Animals have no feelings, every True Christian(tm) knows that!

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

That's a rather archaic take on evolution, one that I thought was mostly abandoned sometime around WWII. You have demonstrated how subjective "logic" and "science" are, and why the Bible is the only Truth.

Dear Lily,

My view of atheism was abandoned by weak, fearful atheists who cowered to public opinion. In an effort to be popular my ex-comrades adopted a pseudo-religious atheism filled with soft, disgusting notions about "human rights". Recently many of them even supported the public health care bill! This is a distortion of true atheism that would have Darwin rolling in his grave! How dare they disrupt the natural order and use the resources of the strong to prop up the weak. We will never evolve to the next level with sick thinking of this sort. I am trying to convince my fellow atheists to abandon their error and see the truth that I see. The are acting like some christians I know. How disgusting! (Not the christians running this board of course. You have a much more enlightened view of christianity even though I would disagree with your basis for it. You are almost on the right path though with your posts on slavery and cripples).

In conclusion I urge you not to lump a true atheist together with these idiots who call themselves atheists while supporting an agenda of human rights, and continually pumping our resrouces in the wrong direction. We should be using our resources to help the strong gain even more advantage! Hitler is a popular whipping boy these days but at least he had his head on straight about this topic.

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

There may be some sectarian difference, but I don't care very much. My point is that Darwin's evilutionism was based in the despicable culture of humanist secular science, instead of the Bible.

If Darwin had believed in God, he would have realized that it is wrong to just research what is in nature and draw logical conclusions based on your findings, because God forbids that in the Bible, and His Logic always trumps our logic, as He is the Creator of the Heaven and the Earth, while we are puny, insignificant mortals, and most of us are created primarily to serve as fuel for the Fires of Hell (Proverbs 16:4).



That, my friend, is complete nonsense, and I don't like it that you insult my religion by claiming that it would promote that secular hogwash!

I have explained in this thread why each and every one of the things I named are brainchilds of Godless, demonic, humanist freethinking, not Christianity.



I've never met one who actually said that, even though it is true, of course, that atheism negates morality. After all, the only thing keeping most of the human population from doing evil things is their Fear of God (read here again why this is important). If there wasn't Fear of God, we would all start murdering, raping and pillaging each other, while now, we only murder, rape and pillage when God allows it, as He did allow the Israelites to murder, rape and pillage the Midianites in Numbers 31:

Numbers 31:1-18:
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.





That is true. The obvious existence of morality is therefore definite proof that genes don't exist, and modern genetics is a ridiculous atheist lie.



Again, friend, you might try to save your face by dissociating yourself from this evil, humanist way of thinking, but you're not fooling God, and neither are you fooling me. We all know very well that most atheists are humanists, and they use their silly theory of evilution to prove that empathy and morality "evolved to strengthen groups of people" when living together, as it supposedly does as well in other animal groups. How stupid is that? Animals have no feelings, every True Christian(tm) knows that!

Dear True,

See my response to Lily above. I am so tired of being misunderstood.

When I said:

Quote:
Humanists believe in some kind of pseudo-moralism that has its roots in Judeo-Christian thought and they usually don't even realize that they are stealing their morality from religion.
Humanists believe in some kind of pseudo-moralism that has its roots in Judeo-Christian thought and they usually don't even realize that they are stealing their morality from religion.

I was not accusing your religion of promoting anything. I am condemning my false-atheist friends for hijacking something that belongs to you! (well maybe not you but the people you call false christians). I denounce their soft-minded view of darwinism. A true darwinist understands that we must promote policies that allow the weak to suffer their demise as quickly as possible before they have a chance to pass on their flawed genetic material to future generations, while using our resources to promote the strong and the advantaged even further. A true atheist realizes that our utopian dream can be realized only if we do as much as possible to inject only the advanced genes (such as mine) into the gene pool. I donate to the sperm bank as often as they will allow in hope that my superior IQ will be provided to future generations. (I hope this does not offend you but I am a practical darwinist).

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Physics Rules

I was not accusing your religion of promoting anything. I am condemning my false-atheist friends for hijacking something that belongs to you! (well maybe not you but the people you call false christians). I denounce their soft-minded view of darwinism. A true darwinist understands that we must promote policies that allow the weak to suffer their demise as quickly as possible before they have a chance to pass on their flawed genetic material to future generations, while using our resources to promote the strong and the advantaged even further. A true atheist realizes that our utopian dream can be realized only if we do as much as possible to inject only the advanced genes (such as mine) into the gene pool. I donate to the sperm bank as often as they will allow in hope that my superior IQ will be provided to future generations. (I hope this does not offend you but I am a practical darwinist).

Darwin taught NATURAL selection. You are right there is no morality in Darwinism, it is a random NATURAL process. There is no reason at all to resort to eugenics as you try to suggest. A person with a high IQ is just as likely as anyone else to produce sperm that will have defects and have say, a child with downs syndrome. And in the wild, the system that "god" created, a deformed animal would be abandoned by its pack and left to die. But the reason humans have become as advanced as they are is that they know how to circumvent nature. We can easily take care of people with genetic defects, and they bring good to the world - the physically disabled can be geniuses like Hawkins, and even the most mentally disabled can bring happiness to their families lives.

I don't support eugenics, it is too Christian for me. Just like the Christian Nazis who set up the biggest eugenics project in history:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party
g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.
Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)
h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism


How the Nazi Regime converted the people:
a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”
b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.
d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.
e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.
f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.
g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.
h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.
“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933



"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922


"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf


"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)
“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf



“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

Darwin taught NATURAL selection. You are right there is no morality in Darwinism, it is a random NATURAL process. There is no reason at all to resort to eugenics as you try to suggest. A person with a high IQ is just as likely as anyone else to produce sperm that will have defects and have say, a child with downs syndrome. And in the wild, the system that "god" created, a deformed animal would be abandoned by its pack and left to die. But the reason humans have become as advanced as they are is that they know how to circumvent nature. We can easily take care of people with genetic defects, and they bring good to the world - the physically disabled can be geniuses like Hawkins, and even the most mentally disabled can bring happiness to their families lives.

I don't support eugenics, it is too Christian for me. Just like the Christian Nazis who set up the biggest eugenics project in history:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party
g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.
Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)
h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism


How the Nazi Regime converted the people:
a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”
b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.
d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.
e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.
f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.
g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.
h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.
“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933



"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922


"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf


"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)
“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf



“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

Dear Bogdana,

Thank you for your well thought out post and for agreeing with me about Darwinism having no place for morality.

Honestly I have no interest in Hitler's background. I am a pragmatic atheist in that I only care about the results, not in how one gets there. Actually I admire Hitler for his clever use of christianity to achieve Darwinian goals. That is a fine example of "survival of the fittest". In nature you see it all the time. A clever predator pretending to be the prey by using a disguise that makes the stupid predator think its on of his own. Hitler was brilliantly using the same mechanism!

I'm sorry that you do not see the wisdom of eugenics as Hitler did. Although I applaud you for your scientific acuity, your view on eugenics is flawed. More progressive atheists such as myself understand the pragmatism of its employment. By doing so we are only helping evolution skip ahead by a few million years. Eventually the weak and flawed will be selected out of the gene pool anyway, but why wait when we can have the future now! I am sure you will see the logic in this if only you consider it with your keen intellect.

Thank you again for your reply.