My Introduction

[FindLoveNotReligion]

Pardon me for stepping into the threads before I introduced myself. It was very rude of me.

I no longer attend church because I find it a corrupt institution. Used by man to control others.

My favorite bible verse is Acts 7:60.
It proves that humans are capable of such compassion. Everything good about us is what is inspired through god. And if Stephen can be so compassionate as to look to heaven and ask god not to hold the sin of stoning him to death against those who stoned him it inspires me to be more loving of those around me.

I came to know Christ while I was at camp in 1997, when I was seven years old. I have always grown up in the church. Although I seek my own personal relationship with my god. Not one that is instructed through the church because not all relationships work the same way. My god loves me indefinitely and loves you and everyone else just as much. My gods love is not bounded. It has no limit. It is not vengeful.

[WinnerNotSinner]

Re: My Introduction

Welcome, thanks for making an introduction thread. Unfortunately I don't think you understand Christianity in any way, shape or form.

You have to trust in the LORD to know what's best, and this means reading His book (the KJV) and following it to the letter. You can't just ignore scripture and make it up as you go along, that is not Christianity. (Deuteronomy 12:32)

If you don't follow the Bible to the letter, you clearly don't care about what He has to say, you are deliberately disobeying Him. You are spitting on Christ as he dies on the cross, proclaiming "I am smarter than you, LORD, I will make my own rules".

GOD does not love everyone, He hates lots of people (Prov. 6:16-19, Hosea 9:15, Just two verses of many). This may make you feel uncomfortable, but this is how you need to live as a Christian to avoid the scolding heat inflicted on sinners. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: My Introduction

I no longer attend church

Why Should Christians Attend Church?

[FindLoveNotReligion]

Re: My Introduction

That's because I don't consider myself a christian. I am a follower of god. Not a christian. Christianity is a religion which has been warped over time to only see the ends to a greedy persons needs.

I believe a lot of the bible has been misconstrued.

I also believe that the new testament washes away some of the things that were said in the old. The sacrifice that god made in the form of his son washed away sacrifices and idols.

Even your own verses there imply that he hates the sin. Not the sinners. It never said in those verses that he hated the people who committed those sins. Just the sins themselves.

[WinnerNotSinner]

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That's because I don't consider myself a christian. I am a follower of god. Not a christian.

They are the SAME thing. You are following nobody but yourself.

Christianity is a religion which has been warped over time to only see the ends to a greedy persons needs.

Are you calling Christians greedy people? I'm a Christian and I tithe selflessly to the Church.

Even your own verses there imply that he hates the sin. Not the sinners. It never said in those verses that he hated the people who committed those sins. Just the sins themselves.

Wrong. GOD hates the sin and the sinner, is Esau a sin, or is he a sinner? (Malachi 1:2-3)

[Cranky Old Man]

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Even your own verses there imply that he hates the sin. Not the sinners.

Nonsense.

Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

[FindLoveNotReligion]

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They are the SAME thing.

A christian is described as one relating to or professing Christianity or it's teaching. I'm not a Christian because I don't profess Christianity. I think we can both agree that mankind is a corrupt species. So a religion run by humans for hundreds of years sounds like something that could be corrupt. I follow my god. Not a religion.

[QUOTE=WinnerNotSinner;717673]Are you calling Christians greedy people? I'm a Christian and I tithe selflessly to the Church.

Not at all. I just think that there are some greedy people out there who happen to be Christians. People who take advantage of Christianity for their own personal gain.
Not to mention just tithing to the church doesn't make you a selfless person. Do you volunteer at food shelters? When was the last time you helped someone in need outside of the church? I'm not saying you haven't. I would just like some examples.

Wrong. GOD hates the sin and the sinner, is Esau a sin, or is he a sinner? (Malachi 1:2-3)

Once again... that is an old testament quote. The entire concept of god changed with the sacrifice of his son.

[WinnerNotSinner]

Re: My Introduction

A christian is described as one relating to or professing Christianity or it's teaching. I'm not a Christian because I don't profess Christianity. I think we can both agree that mankind is a corrupt species. So a religion run by humans for hundreds of years sounds like something that could be corrupt. I follow my god. Not a religion.

You follow your own false god? (Exodus 34:14) That's not A-OK with the real GOD, you know that, right?

Not at all. I just think that there are some greedy people out there who happen to be Christians. People who take advantage of Christianity for their own personal gain.

Why would anyone do that, it says right here in the Bible that wealth is absolutely worthless, why would a Christian want something worthless! (Proverbs 11:4)

Not to mention just tithing to the church doesn't make you a selfless person. Do you volunteer at food shelters? When was the last time you helped someone in need outside of the church? I'm not saying you haven't. I would just like some examples.

I do volunteering all the time! I help with many of the youth groups, and go preaching, trying to help the unsaved get into Heaven with me!

The entire concept of god changed with the sacrifice of his son.

(Malachi 3:6). GOD doesn't change.

I can batter you over the head with scripture all day. I am the one who is the follower of GOD, not you. I am the one who is going to sit next to Jesus in heaven, not you.

Son, you are in deep trouble. I urge you, turn your life over to Jesus before it's too late!

[FindLoveNotReligion]

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You follow your own false god? (Exodus 34:14) That's not A-OK with the real GOD, you know that, right?

I don't follow my own false god. I follow the same god as you. The same god that is described in the Christian religion. I just have some very different beliefs about him. Same god. I just believe he is all loving. I believe that the Christian religion is corrupt. So I follow the core of Christianity (God). Just not that corrupt religion itself.

Why would anyone do that, it says right here in the Bible that wealth is absolutely worthless, why would a Christian want something worthless! (Proverbs 11:4)

Because not all Christians follow Christianity. A lot of Christians just wear the mask.

I do volunteering all the time! I help with many of the youth groups, and go preaching, trying to help the unsaved get into Heaven with me!

Good. I'm glad you do.
Now how many people do you condemn daily? How many do you scoff at and call a sinner? We're all sinners. Even you. Even me. A sin is a sin, is a sin. Regardless of what it is. You have no place to turn your nose up and call others evil.

(Malachi 3:6). GOD doesn't change.

I can batter you over the head with scripture all day. I am the one who is the follower of GOD, not you. I am the one who is going to sit next to Jesus in heaven, not you. Repent!

Believe what you want to believe. I have expressed my ideals of god. And you have expressed yours. Neither of us have moved so I must say that this conversation has reached it's conclusion. My god is loving. You don't believe that and choose to follow an angry murderous god.

[WinnerNotSinner]

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You don't believe that and choose to follow an angry murderous god.

Nope. I choose to follow the Biblical GOD.

This isn't going anywhere, no. You will not accept you are wrong, and your pride will sentence you to a one way ticket to hell. (Proverbs 8:13)

I try my hardest, I really do, but when people refuse to respect GOD, and GOD's Word, it saddens me.

Oh well, plenty more sinners in the sea, I'm sure I'll get over it!

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Once again... that is an old testament quote. The entire concept of god changed with the sacrifice of his son.

You sure about that, toots? Is this New Testament enough for you? Paul quoting Malachi.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

[It's Pink!]

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Believe what you want to believe. I have expressed my ideals of god. And you have expressed yours. Neither of us have moved so I must say that this conversation has reached it's conclusion. My god is loving. You don't believe that and choose to follow an angry murderous god.

Ur 'God' doesnt exist tho... and ours does.