[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Yes it does mean we true Christians follow ALL of the Old Testament laws as well as ALL of what Christ teaches in the New Testament threw Himself and His apostils. I though I was making that much clear with my previous statements. I would also like to state I BELIVE Jesus teachings are the ONLY WAY to a moral life. All other ways led to utter depravity.

(and before you ask; no, my clothes are only single fiber)

I appreciate your fastidious adherence to the Bible's sartorial ordinances. It is obvious that you are truly a man of the cloth. However, I'm more concerned with moral fiber than I am with the composition of your dungarees and shirts.

Just so I'm clear on this, you are saying every single Old Testament law is binding in its entirety on all Christians today, without exception, right? I'm sorry to be repetitive (especially after I have criticized the wordiness of Landover), but it seems to me that this point is the lynchpin of all that separates your doctrine from that of most other Christian denominations. I want to be sure that our discussion rests on a firm foundation.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

No, I think your Church is a joke because you write thousands upon thousands of words that don't address the question that I posed:


Finally, an answer to my question. There is at least one Evangelist at Landover, after all. You do think that the teachings of Jesus are a necessary component to leading a moral life. Hallelujah, we agree on at least one thing.

If you had been paying attention rather than having a radical communist agenda, you would have seen that several of us have already addressed your question.

Do you think this is some kind of quiz, and you are the headmaster? We are here to praise Jesus, not to be quizzed by a hippie who doesn't even accept the Holy KJV1611 Bible as the literal Word of God.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Finally, an answer to my question. There is at least one Evangelist at Landover, after all. You do think that the teachings of Jesus are a necessary component to leading a moral life. Hallelujah, we agree on at least one thing.

Here's one that will probably be easy for you to answer: Jesus said in Matthew 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (see also Luke 16:17). Does this mean that, according to Jesus, we must follow all of laws in the Old Testament, without exception? If not, would you please explain the relevance of Jesus' statemtent to leading a life of faith?.

Yes it does mean we true Christians follow ALL of the Old Testament laws as well as ALL of what Christ teaches in the New Testament threw Himself and His apostils. I though I was making that much clear with my previous statements. I would also like to state I BELIVE Jesus teachings are the ONLY WAY to a moral life. All other ways led to utter depravity.

(and before you ask; no, my clothes are only single fiber)

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Let me get this straight: you think our Church is a "joke" because we believe what God wrote in the Holy Bible?

No, I think your Church is a joke because you write thousands upon thousands of words that don't address the question that I posed:

Can any moral philosophy or religion be a valid guide for leading a righteous life if it ignores any of the lessons that Jesus preached? If so, which lessons of Jesus can we ignore?

I'm sorry to have missed this thread!

I'm sorry that, while you were composing the sequel to War and Peace, you forgot to address my question, too. It's a bit surprising, actually, since, unlike Brother Cletus, you seem to have a functioning mind. Have you perchance been taking obfuscation lessons from Ms. Phelps-Dodge? Anyway, why are you so afraid to answer a simple question about your faith? Are you ashamed of the things you believe?

The whole point of being a True Christian is to follow all of God’s teachings, not just the parts that sound good.

Except, it appears, Matthew 28:19, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, since for a group that guarantees salvation, you don't seem to be very interested in answering questions about the Bible.

No, of course not. The whole point of being a True Christian is to follow all of God’s teachings, not just the parts that sound good.

Finally, an answer to my question. There is at least one Evangelist at Landover, after all. You do think that the teachings of Jesus are a necessary component to leading a moral life. Hallelujah, we agree on at least one thing.

Here's one that will probably be easy for you to answer: Jesus said in Matthew 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (see also Luke 16:17). Does this mean that, according to Jesus, we must follow all of laws in the Old Testament, without exception? If not, would you please explain the relevance of Jesus' statemtent to leading a life of faith?

As before, I will ignore the incessant obloquy and focus on your answer to my question, if you happen to have an answer and the willingness to share it.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

(4) Sling racial or sexual orientationist slurs (Brother Temperance, Pastor Ezekiel, Bobby-Joe).

That comment was a simple statement of fact about my friend and not directed at you friend. I am sorry if it came across as a personal attack. There is no room for hate at Landover.

(Universalism teaches that all persons will be reconciled to God. We do not believe that all faiths are true, just that there is some truth in all faiths. Yes, my faith demands that I respect your beliefs. So, for that matter, does basic human compassion. I asked a simple question about your beliefs, without hurling insults--that's the way respect works.

Well friend statements like
“One thing that strikes me as funny right off the bat is the way you seem to revel in negativity.”
Does come across as an attack.

To answer that question directly we celebrate all of God’s acts, even the ones you describe as “negative”.

So, let me rephrase my question: Can any moral philosophy or religion be a valid guide for leading a righteous life if it ignores any of the lessons that Jesus preached? If so, which lessons of Jesus can we ignore?

No, of course not. The whole point of being a True Christian is to follow all of God’s teachings, not just the parts that sound good. That’s why we come across shocking and stunning to some people. You see our critic of modern Christianity is in attempt to gain some fleeting popularity false teachers have distorted God’s message to pander to the unsaved.

You ask why we attack Father Martin; why? He’s a Catholic and they are classic case of chopping up the Word of God for their own ends. How can anyone be moral if they are willing to misled people into damnation for their own selfish ends?

Landover is the only church that can guarantee that if you follow our teachings you will not be damned.

[Brother Cletus]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Thanks for helping me to refine my list of tricks that Landover members use to avoid answering a question in a straightforward way.

Teaching Sound Doctrine from a Biblical perspective is about as straightforward as one can get, friend.

The right answer is to have a civil discussion in which you demonstrate to me why I am wrong. If you can't do that, and so far I haven't seen any evidence that you can, then you're Church is just a joke, and not a very good joke, at that.

Let me get this straight: you think our Church is a "joke" because we believe what God wrote in the Holy Bible? Are you here to persecute us too, just like your Unitarian forefather Servetus persecuted the great and Godly John Calvin?

Yes, yes, and yes. Are you familiar with Colossians 3:8-14? If so, what does it mean to you? Has that ever been a topic of a Landover forum discussion?

Friend, here at Landover Baptist, we believe in the ENTIRE Bible. We don't go for that Thomas-Jefferson-cut-and-paste feel-good crap. Here's what the Bible says about the unbelievers:

Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? - II Kings 18:27.

Universalism teaches that all persons will be reconciled to God.

The problem with that, my Unitarian Unicyclist friend, is that GOD says something completely different.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. -Revelation 21:8

At first, I had you pegged as secular activists trying to make spiritual people look bad. But, if that were the case, why would you drive people away with your litany of racism and non-sequitur answers and invective? Anti-Christian trolls would suck in their marks with a positive message (just like real Evangelicals do), then start dropping bombshells like the genocide of the Amalekites in 1 Samuel 27.

What in tarnation are you talking about? We're just simple God-fearing Baptist folk who believe the Bible in its ENTIRETY. We're not ashamed of the parts that make Episcopalians nervous to talk about.

OK, "is" is fine wth me (Einstein showed that the concept of now is a human construct, whereas creation is eternal).

Why do I care what some Communist Jew thinks about Creation? You may as well quote Marx and Stalin, hippie.

[JennyD]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

I'm sorry to have missed this thread!

Mister Starr -

Unlike most so-called "Christian" churches, we at Landover Baptist Church believe in the Truth, the WHOLE Truth, and NOTHING BUT the Truth.

Where do we find that Truth? Truth comes from God, not from the imaginings of men.

Where has God recorded His Truth? Why, in the King James Bible, of course!

Now, when God says in His Book that we are to have no other gods, then that means we are to have no other gods.

When God says in His Book that sodomites are an abomination in His eyes and should be put to death, well, that's exactly what He means.

So, when you come along and talk about leading people to pray to Gaia, or Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and intentionally driving them from God's Truth, it tends to upset some of us. You see, we've devoted OUR lives to sharing the Good News, not a bunch of heathen lies.

Your original post was full of attacks on God and His Truth, and us as well. Shall I enumerate?

One of my parishoners, who, in tears, pointed me to this site as an example of a few bad apples spoiling all that is good and bountiful that the Lord has given to us. To tell the truth, I think maybe she understated the case

Here, you called us bad apples spoiling all that is good and bountiful. In fact, we are among very few who share the WHOLE Truth, the source of all that is good and bountiful, and also the source of all that is evil.

Truth comes only from understanding and openness and charity toward those who harbor a different viewpoint.

Here, as pointed out by several other Christians, you claim that Truth comes not from God, but from human reasoning and discussion. This is an outright lie about God.

One thing that strikes me as funny right off the bat is the way you seem to revel in negativity.

You claim that we are negative. Would it be positive for us to lie to people and say, "Yes, God will indeed let Homersexuals into Heaven!" or "Yes, it's fine for you to have a third divorce!" Of course not! We'd be LYING to people, and directing them straight to Hell!

We are overwhelmingly positive at Landover, as our only goal is to help people find that narrow path to God.

I have studied the Bible, along with Scriptures from many world religions. I find something good, something useful in my quest for spiritual development, in all of them

Here, you tell us that you spend your time studing books of witchcraft and demon-worship, and find them "useful in your quest for spiritual development". This is a lie. You cannot find those truly useful unless your goal is to develop as a Satanist. Sorry, Mister Starr, those books steer YOU away from God, and books of witchcraft and demonology like the Koran and Kama Sutra are forbidden.

but they were written by men

Those other books, certainly. But the Bible was dictated by God. Again you insult and denigrate God's Word and True Christian belief with your false assertions.

If you really want to bring others closer to the God that is inside all of us,

Which "god" is inside you? I'm wondering if perhaps Shirlee Phelps-Dodge hit it right on the head, Mister Starr. Because your actions are surely not dictated by our Lord.

I don't see how it helps your cause to insult a highly moral man like the Catholic priest Father Martin

What makes you think that Thomas Martin is highly moral? Do you know him personally? Are you perhaps a sock of his, trying to defend him against God's Truth?

I suggest you do a little research on Mary-worship, saint-worship, idolatry, and pedophilia before you start spouting off about how moral the pagan Catholics are.

Now, we have seen how many times and ways you have directly and indirectly insulted either us or God personally or our beliefs in your introductory post. For some reason, this is what you call "taking the high road"? And you expected, perhaps, a kind and loving response when you declare war on God's Word?

Sorry, Mr. Starr. We defend God's Word to the end, even if your delicate anti-Christ heathen feelings get hurt a wee bit.

Where is this UU church of yours? Perhaps some of us can come picket your lair of demon worship, and even help you -- or at least some of your horribly misguided congregation -- find the light of Jesus' love!

[Juliette]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

If you really want to bring others closer to the God that is inside all of us, I don't see how it helps your cause to insult a highly moral man like the Catholic priest Father Martin or to call everyone who disagrees with you a homosexual (I'm not a Catholic or a homosexual, but I wouldn't take it as an insult if you said that I were).

Do you want me to tell you something about the high moral standards of catholic priests i've met as a young girl Starsky?

Let's say i was lucky not to be a boy.

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

I left a Landover verbal trick off my list: (9) Make allegations that directly contradict the Bible without batting an eyelash.

Jesus THE Christ (it's not a last name, jackass, it's what He is! Christ Messiah!) was the earthly incarnation of GOD. Can you grasp that with your feeble pansy mind?

No, I thought not.

A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Thanks for helping me to refine my list of tricks that Landover members use to avoid answering a question in a straightforward way.

(1) Cite an unrelated passage from the Bible (Born Again Bob).

(2) Put together a string of insults and pretend that is an answer (Joshua, whom I thought was the dimmest ornament on the Landover Christmas tree, but Brother Cletus just disabused me of that notion).

(3) Trivialize someone else's religion (Shirley Phelps-Dodge, Brother Temperance, Brother Cletus) BTW, Brother Temperance, I'm unrepentant because I live in God's grace.

(4) Sling racial or sexual orientationist slurs (Brother Temperance, Pastor Ezekiel, Bobby-Joe).

(5) Make assumptions regarding what others believe without bothering to ask them (Shirley Phelps-Dodge)

(6) Say that anyone who disagrees with you will go to Hell (Shirley Phelps-Dodge--she's obviously selling fire insurance, not spreading the Gospel).

(7) Put words (e.g., "hysterical") in other people's mouths (Shirley Phelps-Dodge).

At least Brother Temperance, Shirley Phelps-Dodge, and Pastor Ezekiel sprinkled their missives with a little substantive discussion of the question I posed, so maybe this won't be a total waste.

What do you think is the right answer? Persecuting us? Suppressing our freedom of speech? Realising that you're wrong and coming to agree with everything we say?

The right answer is to have a civil discussion in which you demonstrate to me why I am wrong. If you can't do that, and so far I haven't seen any evidence that you can, then you're Church is just a joke, and not a very good joke, at that.

...you ask why we're so negative? Have you even the slightest familiarity with GOD's word? Have you ever heard of Original Sin?

Yes, yes, and yes. Are you familiar with Colossians 3:8-14? If so, what does it mean to you? Has that ever been a topic of a Landover forum discussion?

Jesus THE Christ (it's not a last name, jackass, it's what He is! Christ = Messiah!)

Calling him Jesus Christ makes me a jackass?

I believe that Jesus Christ IS the only begotten son of God Almighty, who died temporarily for my sins.

Your words, Shirley, not mine.

Universality? Isn't that the branch of Unitarianism that holds all beliefs to be true, even atheism?.... At the very lest your 'own faith demands you respect my faith which tells me you are a hellbound sinner.

Universalism teaches that all persons will be reconciled to God. We do not believe that all faiths are true, just that there is some truth in all faiths. Yes, my faith demands that I respect your beliefs. So, for that matter, does basic human compassion. I asked a simple question about your beliefs, without hurling insults--that's the way respect works.

Now I have a question for you. Where in the Bible does it give you permission to perform marriages on sodomites?

Marriage is a committment of two or more persons to mutual support, love, and kindness. It is not a sacrament that requires a priestly blessing, and I am no priest. I can't perform a marriage for someone else. I can only celebrate it.

Do you begin to see the situation here?

I thought I did, but now I'm just perplexed. At first, I had you pegged as secular activists trying to make spiritual people look bad. But, if that were the case, why would you drive people away with your litany of racism and non-sequitur answers and invective? Anti-Christian trolls would suck in their marks with a positive message (just like real Evangelicals do), then start dropping bombshells like the genocide of the Amalekites in 1 Samuel 27.

Jesus IS, not was. He came to save Mankind, not give us a lecture on morality. The entire Holy KJV1611 Bible teaches morality, of course. But to label Jesus as a mere teacher is to trivialize Him.

OK, "is" is fine wth me (Einstein showed that the concept of now is a human construct, whereas creation is eternal). I never claimed that Jesus was a "mere" teacher (I believe he was, among other things, an extraordinary teacher, and about as far from trivial as a human being could get).

So, let me rephrase my question: Can any moral philosophy or religion be a valid guide for leading a righteous life if it ignores any of the lessons that Jesus preached? If so, which lessons of Jesus can we ignore?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Hi, everyone. I'm a recently ordained Unitarian Universalist minister. One of my parishoners, who, in tears, pointed me to this site as an example of a few bad apples spoiling all that is good and bountiful that the Lord has given to us. To tell the truth, I think maybe she understated the case, but I don't think tears (honest expression of a valid emotion though they certainly were) are the right answer. Truth comes only from understanding and openness and charity toward those who harbor a different viewpoint.

Universality? Isn't that the branch of Unitarianism that holds all beliefs to be true, even atheism? My Hellbound San Fransissyco friend Bob L told me that one atheist group in his area meets in a Unitarian church. By your' own beliefs friend we TRUE Christians(tm) are right. At the very lest your 'own faith demands you respect my faith which tells me you are a hellbound sinner.

Anyway welcome to our church forum friend. I hope your stay here will help you escape the sinful doctrine of toleration.

[Brother Cletus]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Now I have a question for you. Where in the Bible does it give you permission to perform marriages on sodomites?

Pastor Zeke, those Unitarian Unicorns don't even use the Bible!!! They'd rather read atheist books by hippie Communists like Timothy Queery and Jack Kerry-whack or that homer Walt Whitman.

I'm not surprised at all that those wicked little socialists marry sodomites. They have the only "church" in the world where you can stand up and say your religion is Jedi Knight, and get applause for it! Those folks are just downright crazy.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Let's start here: I believe that Jesus Christ was a great moral teacher, in fact, the greatest moral educator ever. Do you agree?

No. I believe that Jesus Christ IS the only begotten son of God Almighty, who died temporarily for my sins. I believe that He IS one-third of the Holy Trinity. I believe that Jesus IS God, and that by His Grace I am Saved and washed clean of sin with His Blood.

Jesus IS, not was. He came to save Mankind, not give us a lecture on morality. The entire Holy KJV1611 Bible teaches morality, of course. But to label Jesus as a mere teacher is to trivialize Him.

Now I have a question for you. Where in the Bible does it give you permission to perform marriages on sodomites?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Hi, everyone. I'm a recently ordained Unitarian Universalist minister.

You say in your topic title that you're an unrepentant Unitarian. Would you be willing to consider repenting of your foolish unicorn cult any time soon?

One of my parishoners, who, in tears, pointed me to this site as an example of a few bad apples spoiling all that is good and bountiful that the Lord has given to us. To tell the truth, I think maybe she understated the case, but I don't think tears (honest expression of a valid emotion though they certainly were) are the right answer.

What do you think is the right answer? Persecuting us? Suppressing our freedom of speech? Realising that you're wrong and coming to agree with everything we say?

Truth comes only from understanding and openness and charity toward those who harbor a different viewpoint.

No. As has already been pointed out, truth comes only from GOD, and GOD alone.

One thing that strikes me as funny right off the bat is the way you seem to revel in negativity. If your only point is that there are cruelties and contradictions in the Bible, you won't get an argument from me. I have studied the Bible, along with Scriptures from many world religions.

What on earth would you want to study "world religions" for? Is there a secret code in the demon Koran that tells you where the sand negroes are going to strike next? If so, please don't keep it to yourself.

I find something good, something useful in my quest for spiritual development, in all of them, but they were written by men (and, in a few cases, by women).

Why am I reminded of Deuteronomy 13?
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Mankind does err, and mankind does sin, so it's not surprising to see that reflected in holy writings. There's a lot more to God than stonings and historical inaccuracies in a book, though.

If you really want to bring others closer to the God that is inside all of us, I don't see how it helps your cause to insult a highly moral man like the Catholic priest Father Martin or to call everyone who disagrees with you a homosexual (I'm not a Catholic or a homosexual, but I wouldn't take it as an insult if you said that I were).

He's a Catholic! How could he possibly be moral? And how is being called an abomination to God not an insult?

So I'd like to take the high road and look for some common ground with the Baptistry of Landover. Let's start here: I believe that Jesus Christ was a great moral teacher, in fact, the greatest moral educator ever. Do you agree?

Yes. Good start. But anyway, you ask why we're so negative? Have you even the slightest familiarity with GOD's word? Have you ever heard of Original Sin?

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Do you begin to see the situation here? We are ALL sinners, and the vast majority of us are damned to eternal torment in the Lake of Fire. Toss that copy of "Chant and be Happy" or "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" or whatever mumbo-jumbo you're using as scripture out of the window (extra points if you manage to hit one of your witless hippy congregants with it) and try getting stuck into some proper Christian reading, like "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God."

[Shirlee Phelps-Dodge]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

I don't usually wander around making postings, StarrwarsDad, but in your case, I'll make an exception!

Hi, everyone. I'm a recently ordained Unitarian Universalist minister.

So that means what, exactly? You responded to the ad in the back of Hustler magazine to become ordained, so you can perform same-sex weddings in the eyes of Satan? Or maybe you drew Sparky the Turtle really well, like on the matchbook?

One of my parishoners, who, in tears, pointed me to this site as an example of a few bad apples spoiling all that is good and bountiful that the Lord has given to us. To tell the truth, I think maybe she understated the case, but I don't think tears (honest expression of a valid emotion though they certainly were) are the right answer.

Oh, I didn't realize you were a girl, StarrfishMadd. That, or a limp-wristed "sensitive" little pansy. Which is it?

Truth comes only from understanding and openness and charity toward those who harbor a different viewpoint.

Wrong, Starsky and Hutch! Truth comes from GOD, from His Word, and not from your Unitarian Universe-worshipping foolishness!

One thing that strikes me as funny right off the bat is the way you seem to revel in negativity. If your only point is that there are cruelties and contradictions in the Bible, you won't get an argument from me. I have studied the Bible, along with Scriptures from many world religions. I find something good, something useful in my quest for spiritual development, in all of them, but they were written by men (and, in a few cases, by women).

That must be why you are an atheist, eh? You believe that God's Word was written by MEN, like ridiculous fictional trash such as the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, or anything by that jackass Richard Dawkins. How much of HIS schlock do you use in your "sermons", preacher?

Do you realize that Satan is using you to drive innocent souls straight to Hell? Is that why you saved up all those cereal box tops, so you could become a Eunuchtarian Unsavedness preacher and Save Souls for Satan?

Mankind does err, and mankind does sin, so it's not surprising to see that reflected in holy writings. There's a lot more to God than stonings and historical inaccuracies in a book, though.

Your obsession with inaccuracies in God's Word tells me that you don't read it. There are no inaccuracies. God's Word has no contradictions. It is His Holy testament to humanity!

Maybe, just maybe, you should actually STUDY the Bible before you start claiming it to be full of "hysterical inaccuracies"?

If you really want to bring others closer to the God that is inside all of us, I don't see how it helps your cause to insult a highly moral man like the Catholic priest Father Martin or to call everyone who disagrees with you a homosexual (I'm not a Catholic or a homosexual, but I wouldn't take it as an insult if you said that I were).

The "God" that is inside YOU is but a demon in your colon, mister! There is nothing "moral" about that pedophilic syphilitic freak Thomas Martin; he comes to this Godly site to mock Christ and promote Mary-worship, sexual perversion, and cannibalism! Didn't they teach you about Catholics in your mail-order Foolitarian "schooling"?

So I'd like to take the high road

You're taking the high road? I thought your kind preferred the old dirt road!

and look for some common ground with the Bapistry of Landover.

And now you're seeking common ground with the big tub in the church where our Pastors baptize people?

What are you, a Jacuzzi?

Well COOL YOUR JETS, mister! This isn't a hot-tub kind of congregation!

Let's start here: I believe that Jesus Christ was a great moral teacher, in fact, the greatest moral educator ever. Do you agree?

Unequivocally, NO.

Jesus THE Christ (it's not a last name, jackass, it's what He is! Christ = Messiah!) was the earthly incarnation of GOD. Can you grasp that with your feeble pansy mind?

No, I thought not.

Thanks for writing us. Good luck in Hell.