[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Can you back any of that up with Scripture? Because unless God says it, we aren't buying it!

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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OK, I'll grant you that: with hypothetical communication technologies that rely on quantum entanglement, no information is technically transmitted.

But you're arguing semantics here. If a quantum entanglement communicator enables me to send an e-mail to somebody a billion light years away, and the e-mail "arrives" instantaneously, then how can you argue that no information has gotten from one place to another?

It's not that the information hasn't been transmitted, it's that quantum entanglement has eliminated the need for transmission as it's conventionally understood.

As to your second point, who ever said everything needs to be created? God didn't need to be created because, due to the fact that His existence is timeless, there was never a time when God did not exist.

Cool, but why can't the universe be timeless? Why does there need to be a timeless god to create a universe, why does there have to be a "middle man" there doesn't. Using quantum entanglement you cannot send an e-mail instantly. If you read the links and the papers referenced in the wiki article you would see why this is not the case. As you seem to have an incomplete knowledge of this phenomena I implore you to complete your knowledge. Note that yes the e-mail would arrive instantly, but it would arrive in the future (yes it's complicated but all explained in perfect, irrefutable maths). This means that faster than light travel is not compromised.

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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Can you back any of that up with Scripture? Because unless God says it, we aren't buying it!

Fine, but my issue with this is that your scripture, for a start does not come directly from god, only scribes that wrote it after his death. So God never said it, someone else did. God never went through the bible and checked it. If I was in your shoes I'd rather learn about God directly, not through the lens of someone else's writing. For example studying animals and grass to see how a God might have gone about designing it. Trying to find his nature from the way it was designed like you can understand the nature of an architect by looking at the style of his buildings instead of looking at a biography written by some co-workers family several generations after his death.

[Mary-Yves Lapierre]

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I have more evidence of the "invisible" stuff that i'm talking about than you do of your invisible God, of which there is no evidence for.

Except that we are existing, silly boy! Prove to me that your neutrons are existing!

If Adam and Eves had the retardeds grandschildren, why are we not all the down's syndromes?

Okay, mayb you are being the retardeds, but most of us are not!!

Your invisible stuffs, that you have seen, prove that to me silly boy! How am I knowing if you show me the images of an molecule, that you have not photoshopping this thing? Am I to be having faith?! So you are criticizing to me of having the faith in what you are not believing, but you are excepting me to have the faith in what you are believing!!!



You are so funny guy!! Come to Quebec! We can put you on the juste pour rire!! You will be the super hits!

[Faith_Machine]

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Fine, but my issue with this is that your scripture, for a start does not come directly from god, only scribes that wrote it after his death.

I assure you, friend, God was alive and well when he wrote the 1611 King James Bible.

[Faith_Machine]

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God never went through the bible and checked it.

Proof-reading is something human writers have to do, because they are fallible. God does not make mistakes, and it was therefore completely unnecessary for him to go through the Bible once he'd authored it. Duh.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Using quantum entanglement you cannot send an e-mail instantly. If you read the links and the papers referenced in the wiki article you would see why this is not the case. As you seem to have an incomplete knowledge of this phenomena I implore you to complete your knowledge. Note that yes the e-mail would arrive instantly, but it would arrive in the future (yes it's complicated but all explained in perfect, irrefutable maths).

You don't seem to get quantum entanglement at all. Please allow me to explain it to you.

Quantum entanglement only transports knowledge, it doesn't transport actual information. In layman's terms you can think of it as follows:

Say you have two boxes A and B, one of those boxes is filled with a marble, the other one is empty. You do not know which is which. If there is a huge distance between the boxes and you open one of them, you instantly know what is in the other box. So this knowledge travels unlimited distances in zero time. You can however not use this to transfer information, as you can not change the contents of either box.

This is how quantum entanglement works. Things arriving "instantly in the future" are a demonstration of your complete lack of understanding.

[Faith_Machine]

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For example studying animals and grass to see how a God might have gone about designing it. Trying to find his nature from the way it was designed like you can understand the nature of an architect by looking at the style of his buildings instead of looking at a biography written by some co-workers family several generations after his death.

It is exactly this sort of brainless reasoning which has lead "scientists" to dig up fossils and wrongly conclude that giant lizards existed millions of years before the advent of human life.

If those fools had just bothered to check in with somebody who wasn't Biblically illiterate, they would have known Satan specifically hid those bones there just to trick us, and God let him do it to test our faith.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Fine, but my issue with this is that your scripture, for a start does not come directly from god, only scribes that wrote it after his death. So God never said it, someone else did. God never went through the bible and checked it. If I was in your shoes I'd rather learn about God directly, not through the lens of someone else's writing. For example studying animals and grass to see how a God might have gone about designing it. Trying to find his nature from the way it was designed like you can understand the nature of an architect by looking at the style of his buildings instead of looking at a biography written by some co-workers family several generations after his death.

You are a liar sent by satan. Read THIS.

And THIS.

Then apologize to Jesus!

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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You don't seem to get quantum entanglement at all. Please allow me to explain it to you.

Quantum entanglement only transports knowledge, it doesn't transport actual information. In layman's terms you can think of it as follows:

Say you have two boxes A and B, one of those boxes is filled with a marble, the other one is empty. You do not know which is which. If there is a huge distance between the boxes and you open one of them, you instantly know what is in the other box. So this knowledge travels unlimited distances in zero time. You can however not use this to transfer information, as you can not change the contents of either box.

This is how quantum entanglement works. Things arriving "instantly in the future" are a demonstration of your complete lack of understanding.

Yes that is completely true, my point that data cannot travel faster than light still stands. However I was talking about a different property, the case when information is actually transmitted I was talking about this paper [demonic link deleted] . This is a case when information is carried. Both are effects of entanglement however.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Yes that is completely true, my point that data cannot travel faster than light still stands. However I was talking about a different property, the case when information is actually transmitted I was talking about this paper http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...101.2565v1.pdf. This is a case when information is carried. Both are effects of entanglement however.

You are kidding right? No one in the world takes this paper from the Australian kangaroo University serious.

I wonder, do you prefer Mach's Principle, otherwise known as the Woodward effect or are you more a Cramer's retro-causality guy?

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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It is exactly this sort of brainless reasoning which has lead "scientists" to dig up fossils and wrongly conclude that giant lizards existed millions of years before the advent of human life.

If those fools had just bothered to check in with somebody who wasn't Biblically illiterate, they would have known Satan specifically hid those bones there just to trick us, and God let him do it to test our faith.

Radioactive dating, which is infallible puts dinosaur bones way before humans had evolved on earth. I hardly think that trying to understand the nature of God by looking at his "creations" is brainless. On the contrary I believe that what I said previously still stands it is a stronger source than the bible.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Radioactive dating, which is infallible puts dinosaur bones way before humans had evolved on earth. I hardly think that trying to understand the nature of God by looking at his "creations" is brainless. On the contrary I believe that what I said previously still stands it is a stronger source than the bible.

"Radioactive dating?" What is that? Do you mean Radiometric dating? That has been proven to be a lie.

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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"Radioactive dating?" What is that? Do you mean Radiometric dating? That has been proven to be a lie.

Radioactive dating is a perfectly suitable way of labelling the procedure. It is dating using radioactivity. It is also not limited to carbon 14. Several other isotopes can be used. Also earth layers can help to support this evidence and further validate it. The video has taken unique circumstances and only focused on them. Also I believe that ice layers also show the melting and thawing of the icecaps over a larger amount of time than the bible suggests it is possible. i.e. the ice layers correspond to winter summer cycles longer than the ridiculously short time suggested by the bible.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Why did you not click on the link Pastor Ezekiel provided instead of looking like a fool?