[James Hutchins]

Re: Hey There

Hi Octavia. Welcome. I have read most of what you have said and still, one simple question lingers for me as I am merely a country fellow. I am sure you have a simple and clear answer.
How did you decide what parts of the teaching of God did you know were unimportant (I guess you'd call them poorly thought out) or incorrect (I suppose you'd call them lies)? See, I have read the KJV at least once a month, cover to cover for almost all my life. You would think by now, based on your comments, that I would be able to readily identify the parts where God was not 100% serious.
Can you help me, please?

Your new Internet Friend in Christ,
James

[Deaner]

Re: Hey There

In your opinion, and according to your version of Christianity I am wrong. According to myself and many other believers I am not, though.

If we call you a slut for having sex with 60 men in a row; and some other lieberal church says you are just fine; who are you going to believe?

[Deaner]

Re: Hey There

You'd better get ON FIRE for Jesus soon, or you'll be ON FIRE forever!

That scared the shit out of me. Brother V; do you think I'll be alright?

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

Neither does intellectual snobism or thinking that everything is okay just because you think it.

I have not been an intellectual snob at all, if that's what you are implying. And I never said things are okay just because I think it. I've given a few verses from the Bible that show where my beliefs come from.

But you ARE wrong.

In your opinion, and according to your version of Christianity I am wrong. According to myself and many other believers I am not, though.

You'll have to understand that there are many different versions of Christianity because there are many different interpretations of what the Bible is saying.

You have your opinions on what the verses say, and I have mine.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hey There

Bashing other peoples beliefs, on the other hand, does not get you into Heaven.

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" -- 2 John 1:9-11


"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." -- 2 Chronicles 15:13

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hey There

Ever since I've been here, I've heard nothing except for "You're wrong because of this" and you tell me that my beliefs are bad.

But you ARE wrong.

What you say is plain wrong as far as scripture is concerned and where do you find out about the Christian God if not in scripture?

You can't find out about your make-believe God in the Bible because you made him up.

That, in essence, is your problem. I don't have to worry about whether I'm right because if I have any doubts I just reach for the Bible. My conscience is often wrong. When I check the Bible, sure enough I find out that God is really clear and unambiguous about what I actually should be doing.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hey There

...Bashing other peoples beliefs, on the other hand, does not get you into Heaven.

Then why does the Bible say 2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." ?

re·buke    [ri-byook] Show IPA verb, -buked, -buk·ing, noun verb (used with object)
1. to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand. noun
2. sharp, stern disapproval; reproof; reprimand.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rebuke

[s. warnin]

Re: Hey There

I do believe that you are the first to actually welcome me. Pleasure to meet you!



And I do believe Jesus died for our sins. If you believe that Jesus is your savior then that is your ticket to Heaven.

Bashing other peoples beliefs, on the other hand, does not get you into Heaven.

Neither does intellectual snobism or thinking that everything is okay just because you think it. You can believe that Jesus is your savior all you want..but what does God say? Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

See you left out the part about repenting, for example, Job 42:6 "Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent In dust and ashes."

Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

You also left out the part about being baptized. You must not simply believe you must also truly comprehend that you are a sinner, repent (that means don't don't keep sinning), and wash away your sins through baptism.

If you're gonna try to tell someone else how to be saved, at least tell them what the Bible says about it.

[s. warnin]

Re: Hey There

None of these tell me that I should look down upon those who do not believe.



A mature Christian. One that will do as God asks and love everyone. One that will treat everyone as his equal. One that will have respect for others. One that will worship God for all he has given him.

That is the kind of Christian I am.

You are not a mature Christian if you believe that what you just said is the criteria for being a mature Christian. Why should we worship God? Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

We should worship God because He is worthy to be worshiped...because He is God. He created all things for His pleasure...not ours. So, worshiping Him for all that he has given you misplaced; it's like loving your parents, not because they are you parents, but because they give you lots of stuff.

Make sense?

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

I have just returned from a science conference, I wish to welcome you to this place. You do indeed seem to be slightly less confused more anchored than most.

I do believe that you are the first to actually welcome me. Pleasure to meet you!

Look at what God says: John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"

And I do believe Jesus died for our sins. If you believe that Jesus is your savior then that is your ticket to Heaven.

Bashing other peoples beliefs, on the other hand, does not get you into Heaven.

[s. warnin]

Re: Hey There

So, I guess there isn't much to say other than that I am a new member here.

I am what you guys call a "Liberal Christian" but you said we, as well as atheists, are allowed to join and partake in discussions. I want to give it a shot because why not, right?

I will be sure to respect all beliefs here, and hope that mine are respected as well. Humans all think differently after all. We aren't clones.

Christianity isn't about respecting everyone's beliefs or thinking that just because we all think differently, we can just make up what God is okay with.

Look at what God says: John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"

Doesn't leave a whole lot of room for believing differently does it? Doesn't say anything about salvation by being a good person, or a nice person, or doing your best not to hurt anyone, or that we shouldn't own slaves or any of that, does it?

Many people come here with their fluffy, feel-goody ideas about God and how they can think and do whatever they want and that God's just cool with that. God specifies in His Word, exactly what He is okay with and what He isn't okay with...but in order to know that, you have to actually read God's Word. You can't call yourself a Christian if you don't have any idea what God's Word says, now can you?

Please do us all a favor and take the time to actually read what the Bible says before you bring up things that you think, or your friends say, without actually knowing the Truth.

[John Scopes]

Re: Hey There

I have just returned from a science conference, I wish to welcome you to this place. You do indeed seem to be slightly less confused more anchored than most.

None of these tell me that I should look down upon those who do not believe.



A mature Christian. One that will do as God asks and love everyone. One that will treat everyone as his equal. One that will have respect for others. One that will worship God for all he has given him.

That is the kind of Christian I am.

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

Why yes of course let's forget about Leviticus 20:23, Leviticus 26:30, Deuteronomy 32:19, Psalm 5:5, Psalm 5:6, Psalm 10:3, Psalm 11:5, Psalm 53:5, Psalm 73:20, Psalm 78:59, Psalm 106:40, Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 22:14, Lamentations 2:6, Hosea 9:15, Zechariah 11:8, Malachi 1:3 etc.

Who cares about Matthew 24:51, Mark 11:26, Romans 1:26-27, Romans 1:29-31, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Revelation 21:8 etc. that's all needless rubbish to you, right?

None of these tell me that I should look down upon those who do not believe.

What kind of Christian are you?

A mature Christian. One that will do as God asks and love everyone. One that will treat everyone as his equal. One that will have respect for others. One that will worship God for all he has given him.

That is the kind of Christian I am.

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Hey There

...Both my church and the Bible have taught me to love my neighbors AND my enemies.

Matthew 5:44 - But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

James 2:8 - If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well

Why yes of course let's forget about Leviticus 20:23, Leviticus 26:30, Deuteronomy 32:19, Psalm 5:5, Psalm 5:6, Psalm 10:3, Psalm 11:5, Psalm 53:5, Psalm 73:20, Psalm 78:59, Psalm 106:40, Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 22:14, Lamentations 2:6, Hosea 9:15, Zechariah 11:8, Malachi 1:3 etc.

Who cares about Matthew 24:51, Mark 11:26, Romans 1:26-27, Romans 1:29-31, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Revelation 21:8 etc. that's all needless rubbish to you, right?

What kind of Christian are you? Do you think that the Holy Bible is a salad bar?

Again:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him; Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hey There

...He gave all of you talents as well...

I'll share that with my neighbour, to whom He has given cystic fibrosis, and my friend's daughter, who He blessed with Down Syndrome.

Praise Him for His Heavenly Blessings!!!

Wait, what am I saying? Fuck that.