Hey there, I'm Tom

[Musae Tocki]

Been an avid Christian since very early on; I realized I can't escape his glory any longer and decided to fear and pray him in order to save my then-doomed soul.

Anyway. I'm in the university, and very recently, our teacher assigned us a task that required us to test our debating skills. I of course chose to represent the christian side when the topic came up and then we went on. I managed fairly well when the matter of humor and intelligence came up, for instance, I referenced a very prominent genesis scripture.
27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


But eventually, the other side started discussing what they called unchangeable universal laws. They started talking about math, how God's omnipotence saw it's limit to mathematical restrictions. I of course asked them to back this up and found little to criticise.


A circle and pi. They said that pi is the ratio of any circle's circumference to its diameter, in other words, pi is 3,14 plus an infinite number of decimals. How can God's infinite power and creativity change the value of pi as a mathematical law when a circle must exist in this universe or not?

What could I possibly answer to that? Mind clearing God's relations with math? It isn't directly mentioned in any scriptures of the bible that I currently know of.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

Your Bible doesn't have 1 Kings?

(1 Kings 7:23) "And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

Ten cubits across, thirty around: pi=3.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth
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[Bible Student]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

Been an avid Christian since very early on; I realized I can't escape his glory any longer and decided to fear and pray him in order to save my then-doomed soul.

Anyway. I'm in the university, and very recently, our teacher assigned us a task that required us to test our debating skills. I of course chose to represent the christian side when the topic came up and then we went on. I managed fairly well when the matter of humor and intelligence came up, for instance, I referenced a very prominent genesis scripture.
27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

But eventually, the other side started discussing what they called unchangeable universal laws. They started talking about math, how God's omnipotence saw it's limit to mathematical restrictions. I of course asked them to back this up and found little to criticise.


A circle and pi. They said that pi is the ratio of any circle's circumference to its diameter, in other words, pi is 3,14 plus an infinite number of decimals. How can God's infinite power and creativity change the value of pi as a mathematical law when a circle must exist in this universe or not?

What could I possibly answer to that? Mind clearing God's relations with math? It isn't directly mentioned in any scriptures of the bible that I currently know of.

Instead of having us do your homework for you why don't you spend some time here reading all the Introductory threads. What your opponents (if we believe your story) are asking is, "If God is omnipotent then why can't He do...." This question has been asked and answered multiple times just in this Introductory forum alone. I know because I answered it myself. Start with the premise of what omnipotence really means. Not understanding the definition is your first mistake.

Your second mistake is in thinking a circle must exist in this universe. Please explain why God could not have fashioned a universe without a circle?

By the way did you come here via a gaming channel or DeviantArt channel? I see you are not American. How about a proper introduction, please.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

Welcome friend! Not sure what all that mumbling was about but my favorite pie is apple. My wifes pie is a little too crusty for my tastes (apparently Zeke's driver keeps coming and begging for it) but my nieces, Mandi and Sandi, can whip out delicious creamy ones.

How has Jesus taken control of your life and molded you in to a perfect Christian Soldier?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

How can God's infinite power and creativity change the value of pi as a mathematical law when a circle must exist in this universe or not?

If God wanted pi to be 4, it would become 4!

There is no limit to what God can do. He can make a triangle with 4 sides, eat French "meat" without vomiting and create a fire that never stops burning for God mockers.

Luke 18:27 "And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God."

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

...How can God's infinite power and creativity change the value of pi as a mathematical law when a circle must exist in this universe...

God is not some village magician performing miracles to amuse you. God created everything including a perfect circle; why should He change His perfect creation? To prove you that He’s not omnipotent and omniscent?

The ages old so-called “omnipotence paradox” – articulated in this or the other way - is a semantic paradox, not a logical one. Thomas Aquinas answered on it a bit less than eight centuries ago: since God is omnipotent, the phrase "…that God cannot…" doesn't make sense and the paradox is meaningless.

YiC, DUH

[Musae Tocki]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

If God wanted pi to be 4, it would become 4!

There is no limit to what God can do. He can make a triangle with 4 sides, eat French "meat" without vomiting and create a fire that never stops burning for God mockers.

Luke 18:27 "And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God."

Thanks, it makes sense now. I shouldn't have questioned His greatness

God is not some village magician performing miracles to amuse you. God created everything including a perfect circle; why should He change His perfect creation? To prove you that He’s not omnipotent and omniscent?

The ages old so-called “omnipotence paradox” – articulated in this or the other way - is a semantic paradox, not a logical one. Thomas Aquinas answered on it a bit less than eight centuries ago: since God is omnipotent, the phrase "…that God cannot…" doesn't make sense and the paradox is meaningless.

YiC, DUH

This made no sense at all. If God can he also can (not)

[Bible Student]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

Thanks, it makes sense now. I shouldn't have questioned His greatness

Originally Posted by Dan U. Holier
God is not some village magician performing miracles to amuse you. God created everything including a perfect circle; why should He change His perfect creation? To prove you that He’s not omnipotent and omniscent?

The ages old so-called “omnipotence paradox” – articulated in this or the other way - is a semantic paradox, not a logical one. Thomas Aquinas answered on it a bit less than eight centuries ago: since God is omnipotent, the phrase "…that God cannot…" doesn't make sense and the paradox is meaningless.

YiC, DUH

This made no sense at all. If God can he also can (not)

Might I suggest reading Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica? Then it will make sense. Although reading it as I did in the original Latin will give you a better idea of Aquinas' thoughts on the matter, the English should suffice for a newbie.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/aquinas/summa/index.htm

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

...How can God's infinite power and creativity change the value of pi as a mathematical law when a circle must exist in this universe or not?...

This made no sense at all. If God can he also can (not)

Son, your initial question makes no sense to begin with. You fail at syntax and logic; you’re unable to formulate a question in an approximately intelligible manner; no wonders you have severe reading comprehension issues as well. Apparently, I overestimated you.

YiC, DUH

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

Thanks, it makes sense now. I shouldn't have questioned His greatness

This made no sense at all. If God can he also can (not)

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Musae Tocki]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

Son, your initial question makes no sense to begin with. You fail at syntax and logic; you’re unable to formulate a question in an approximately intelligible manner; no wonders you have severe reading comprehension issues as well. Apparently, I overestimated you.

YiC, DUH

First of all, don't underestimate me. I might be foreign to you, but I graduated second at my bible studies class for kids with special needs.

Secondly, don't blame me for not reading your unholy philosophical literature. I've only read two books in my life, and that is the king james' bible and the douay bible, though with the douay bible I noticed some slight inaccuracies by the first few pages, so I skipped to the end and that spoiled the whole book for me.

Thirdly, your arguments can be easily refuted by the Ew Hohl thought experiment regarding observable information. Ew Hohls idea is that observation doesn't dictate wether information exists or not, which seems to be the popular acceptance of how information works if you look at reactions to unholy ideas like the Schroedinger's cat experiment. This means that even though God (praise be to Her) didn't introduce us to circles, circles would still exist as potential information thus they exist even though they don't actually exist. If you don't see this point, you are indeed the unsaved one.

Fourthealy (it's a word in the bible), I was going to elaborate, but then I realized I shouldn't waste my time on landover's website when the Westboro baptist church is the more biblically correct baptist church, so I butchered it and posted so I wouldn't have wasted the 5 hours it took me to write that.

[Deaner]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

Been an avid Christian since very early on...

A circle and pi. They said that pi is the ratio of any circle's circumference to its diameter, in other words, pi is 3,14 plus an infinite number of decimals.

If you are an avid Christian, where in the Bible does it discuss "pi" and infinite number of "decimals"? Darkies steal pies; but I doubt they could steal an infinite number of them; although I'm sure they'd try.

Are you some kind of negro defender?

[Deaner]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

First of all, don't underestimate me. I might be foreign to you, but I graduated second at my bible studies class for kids with special needs.

So you got beat out by a retard that was smarter than you? What decided the victory; window licking?

[Musae Tocki]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

So you got beat out by a retard that was smarter than you? What decided the victory; window licking?

He knew more scriptures than me when quizzed at the end of the teaching semester. I think he cheated, but oh well. I'll be the one laughing when he's burning in hell for it.

[Deaner]

Re: Hey there, I'm Tom

He knew more scriptures than me when quizzed at the end of the teaching semester. I think he cheated, but oh well. I'll be the one laughing when he's burning in hell for it.

If what you say is true, you will be the one burning in hell for not punching out a lying retard.