Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

[PeterEgan]

Hello! My name's Peter, and I am new to the forum.

I am 30 years old. Jesus Christ is my savior. I hail from the deep south, and currently reside in south Louisiana near the border with Mississippi.

For a living, I work as the executive director of a company that sells medical equipment and medical supplies. My entire family consists of healthcare professionals of varying specialties.

My mom's a nurse practitioner, father owns a home health care company and sister is an MD.

In an effort to help combat the lies, pornography and other filth on the internet, I founded (and privately fund) Free Church Websites, a Christian charitable non-profit organization that builds completely customized websites for Christian churches at no cost to the church or pastor. As several pastors for whom I have built websites can attest, there is no catch whatsoever, and I do all of the work and pay for all of the costs myself without the churches nor their respective reverends/pastors having to spend a single dime. The churches retail 100% of the rights to, and legal ownership of the websites.

Given the state of the world (most reading this will know exactly what I am talking about), with the battle lines between good and evil having been clearly drawn for all to see, I offer the service to Christian churches regardless of denomination, as it is my belief that those of us who believe in the Bible and the Word of Our Lord Jesus Christ must set aside our differences, bond around our shared beliefs and try to introduce as many people as possible to Jesus while there's still time to do so.

I know some might take issue with that, however the same argument used by those who do could also be made for Christians who believe it is their place to judge other Christians, condemning them to eternal damnation before their lives on earth are even over.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

Welcome Peter! I am a bit put off by your chosen profession, selling snake oil to the unfortunates of the world when you should be telling them to ask God to cure them.
Proverbs 3:7-8

King James Version (KJV)


7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

Why do you have so little faith in Jesus Christ, your Savior? You know He died for your sins. Is this how you repay Him?

[PeterEgan]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

On a side-note, why is there a message on my public profile deriding me as "unsaved trash"? Is that not for God and God alone to judge?

Is it really Christian to be levying such accusations against people you know nothing about and have never met? If it's a joke, please forgive my lack of a sense of humor.

That said, I've always marveled at men who are ready to denounce anyone and everyone who doesn't give him money as a blasphemous evildoer, and without knowing the nature and history of the description that appeared on my profile before my first correspondence with the community, I felt compelled to ask.

If indeed everyone who signs up is immediately labeled as "unsaved trash", and if the message is not meant to be a joke, maybe I'm in the wrong place because my Bible says nothing about sinners (all men not named Jesus Christ) being granted authority to judge other Christians' prospects for salvation based on literally zero information.

[The Lord's Sword]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

In an effort to help combat the lies, pornography and other filth on the internet, I founded (and privately fund) Free Church Websites, a Christian charitable non-profit organization that builds completely customized websites for Christian churches at no cost to the church or pastor.

I looked up your website:

At FreeChurchWebsites.org, our mission is to help spread the Word of God by building and hosting websites for Christian churches, Jewish Synagogues and Temples, priests, pastors and other religious organizations --- absolutely free-of-charge.

There is but one path to god and heaven above. Our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ. You failed to tell us that you support Joos, free of charge. I'm sure you build a lot of pages bragging about killing the Son of God, as it's free, and Joos can't resist anything that's free. It's like a Muslim trying not to blow themselves up or sodomize a goat, they just can't help themselves.

John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

Friend, this is not a place for selfish self promotion. This is where we promote our unending devotion to God.
All are trash until they are deemed worht by Him or a Registered Pastor(tm).
You sir, are a huckster.

[PeterEgan]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

Welcome Peter! I am a bit put off by your chosen profession, selling snake oil to the unfortunates of the world when you should be telling them to ask God to cure them.
Proverbs 3:7-8

King James Version (KJV)


7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

Why do you have so little faith in Jesus Christ, your Savior? You know He died for your sins. Is this how you repay Him?

No sales of snake oil. Just products that help people live at home as opposed to being shipped off to a nursing home. Who are you to pass judgement on me without knowing a thing about me.

You are not the final arbiter of salvation, Jesus is. If this is one of those forums where fake Christians and false prophets claim the only way to salvation is through them (as opposed to Jesus), then I'll happily go on my way and find a forum run and maintained by true believers.

You know not a thing about me except the industry of my profession, yet you've already slandered and judged me twice. I have a difficult time envisioning Jesus condoning such behavior. You know not who I am or the status of my personal relationship with Christ. For all you know, I could be a messenger of the Lord (speaking hypothetically), sent by Him to convey a specific message to you, and you'd have run me off, slandered, attacked and judged me because I work for a living. The fact that I work for a living might not in itself make me a virtuous person, but certainly does indicate the fact that I am NOT a parasite living off of the labor (or the stupidity) of other men. I provide something that people need at a fair price, and use a substantial portion of earnings to help advance the word of Jesus Christ.

The only "Snake Oil" in this conversation is the perverted Christianity preached by the likes of those who cast judgement on everyone in hopes that the ignorant, the stupid and the paranoid will give them money in exchange for assurance that they'll be admitted into Heaven upon death.

Notice how I make no judgement of your actions (that is God's job). Only YOU know if you're selling Snake Oil Christianity, and apparently your conscience has more than a hair of guilt, based upon your reaction to me signing up for the forum and introducing myself, as I was instructed to do upon joining.

Telling people they're going to go to hell if they don't pay you money is a serious sin, and if that is indeed what is going on here, please know that I forgive you and will pray for your souls.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

Interesting.

Opens with multiple sales pitches:

Hello! My name's Peter, and I am new to the forum.

I am 30 years old. Jesus Christ is my savior. I hail from the deep south, and currently reside in south Louisiana near the border with Mississippi.

For a living, I work as the executive director of a company that sells medical <SPAM LINK REMOVED>. My entire family consists of healthcare professionals of varying specialties.

My mom's a <SPAM LINK REMOVED>, father owns a home health care company and sister is an MD.

In an effort to help combat the lies, pornography and other filth on the internet, I founded (and privately fund) <SPAM LINK REMOVED>,

Follows this with judgment of True Christians™, who do not condemn anyone to anyplace, but do tell them what God says in His Word:

I know some might take issue with that, however the same argument used by those who do could also be made for Christians who believe it is their place to judge other Christians, condemning them to eternal damnation before their lives on earth are even over.

Then, after judging people he knows nothing about and has never met, whines,

On a side-note, why is there a message on my public profile deriding me as "unsaved trash"? Is that not for God and God alone to judge?

Is it really Christian to be levying such accusations against people you know nothing about and have never met?

Why not crawl back under your bridge, troll-boy?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

You are not the final arbiter of salvation, Jesus is.

Nobody here claims to be the FINAL arbiter of salvation. But a TRUE Christian(tm) has read the King James Bible and knows what sort of life leads to Heaven and what sort of life leads to Hell. If you are upset that people can identify your chosen path, then it sounds to me like you are duly ashamed. I will give you that much.

[PeterEgan]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

Friend, this is not a place for selfish self promotion. This is where we promote our unending devotion to God.
All are trash until they are deemed worht by Him or a Registered Pastor™.
You sir, are a huckster.

I was merely introducing myself. Sheesh. Most forums to which I contribute allow one to identify his or her business interests in the introductions section. This is for the sake of full disclosure, and to help other members get to know each other better.

Most forums center around a topic. Usually, like-minded people tend to use the same forums as other like-minded people. Spamming would have been to post a completely unrelated message promoting an unrelated product or service. Linking to an employer when introducing oneself is not spamming.

For a bunch of people who claim to be Christians, those who have replied are an awfully judgmental bunch. Those links to my affiliated sites mean nothing to me. I have dozens of websites that are infinitely more authoritative than this forum, and any value they would have toward my business interests is negligible.

If you like, take them down. Do you think it will bother me? Why even ask people to introduce themselves if this is how you treat them afterward?

I don't know you, and even if I did, it is not my place to cast judgment on you or anyone else. That said, real Christians at least make an effort to try and conduct themselves in a manner reminiscent of Christ.

Attacking a new member, slandering him and levying bizarre accusations against him is not how Christians are supposed to behave. Maybe you two are just aberrations and do not represent the community as a whole. I don't know. I haven't met everyone here.

That said, based on the manner in which a genuine Christian man and humble servant of the Lord has been treated for no reason other than joining a forum purportedly for Christians and centered around the topic of Christianity makes me question whether or not the sincerity of the wolves in sheep's clothing that have attacked and slandered me without just cause.

Shame on you.

You could have welcomed me and addressed me in a civilized manner if you took issue to my introductory post, and politely brought up the source of your contention. Adults could then have reached a resolution. Unfortunately, you opted to attack rather than conduct yourselves as disciples of Jesus.

We could have had a civilized exchange, and if I needed to modify my post to avoid it constituting a breach of this forum's rules, you could have politely indicated that and I would have gladly changed it, with no one attacked and no one engaging in sinful activities by attacking a man who had done you no wrong.

Why bait people into such an attack by asking who they are and what they do, then providing a text editor that enables them to link to resources on the web?

I don't know what your motivations are, but it's pretty clear that they have nothing to do with educating people about Christ or trying to save those in need as the world approaches the Second Coming.

I work for a living. You attack me for that. However, rather than work, you just threaten those who don't know Christ with eternal damnation and tell them they're saved if they give you money? Is that what's really going on here?

If so..... False Prophets indeed.

If that is in fact the case, my forgiveness (which you have received) mightn't be enough for you. I will pray that you receive forgiveness from the only person who counts.

Though you have attacked me and made it clear before you knew a word about me that I am not welcome here in this Snake-Oil-Christianity-Sales-Pit disguised as a Baptist forum, I do not wish for you to perish, have fully forgiven you and will pray for your souls.

[PeterEgan]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

Wow! You all are incredible.

Amazing how you speak of the King James Bible but have not the first clue what's between the covers. You will be in my prayers - despite the demonic manner in which you've treated me.

I won't be back, and I won't stoop to your level and attack you as you have done me.

The attacks and name-calling speak for themselves. True believers do not behave as though they are filled with demonic influence. I'm sure in real life, you're all better people at heart than your behavior here today would indicate.

I hope Jesus can one day enter each of your hearts, so that you may know Him and experience the joy that comes with embracing Christ's love.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

That's a lot of blather, Mr. Ego. For someone who has just arrived, and couldn't bother to read this forum before joining, you sure do have a lot to say.

It's been said, Mr. Ego, that God gave us two ears and one mouth for a reason. Comprende?

How about instead of worrying about why you're labeled "Unsaved Trash" -- which everyone who joins is until they are confirmed as True Christians(tm), we don't want some troll confusing people and leading them to Hell -- or trying to make a buck off us (which, let's face it, is what you really want), you focus on sharing how you came to know Jesus, your favorite Scriptures, and what manner of church you attend?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

Friend, We try to sell nothing. We only live by the Bible. I am a bit put off by your "I know better than God" attitude. Please show us the scripture that says a person should shamlesless self promote.
I know what God sad about pride though:
Psalm 10:4

King James Version (KJV)

4The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.


As far as judging, God has empowered all True Christians(tm) to work tirelesssly for Him, this includes weeding out the riff raft.
2nd Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
1st Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1st Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

All you seem to be doing to the talk of a fast paced city man trying to pull the wool over our eyes. But we know, any man that does not talk with with scripture on his breath is a man whispering for the devil.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

Wow! You all are incredible.

True, thank you.

You see, instead of telling lies like "God loves everybody" and "All dogs go to Heaven", we tell the Bible as it is, and explain God as He has chosen to be described in the Bible.

Most people will spend eternity in His Lake of Fire because they choose not to obey, or not to believe, or both.

I pray you will get off the "fluffy bunny Christian" path and read the Bible for yourself, instead of listening to Pastor Feelgood's lies.

[Roberta]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

Old news:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=221865&highlight=loserana#post221865

[PeterEgan]

Re: Why am I being described as "Unsaved Trash"?

True, thank you.

You see, instead of telling lies like "God loves everybody" and "All dogs go to Heaven", we tell the Bible as it is, and explain God as He has chosen to be described in the Bible.

Most people will spend eternity in His Lake of Fire because they choose not to obey, or not to believe, or both.

I pray you will get off the "fluffy bunny Christian" path and read the Bible for yourself, instead of listening to Pastor Feelgood's lies.

I have one more observation before I bid this forum farewell. Going through my comments, I cannot find where I stated that "God loves everybody" or that "All dogs go to heaven".

Your mischaracterization of my remarks and attempt to paint me in a false light by attributing to me statements that I did not make in an effort to discredit me and attack my character is the very same tactic used by the secular humanist left to brainwash America's youth into accepting the cultural rot that has led to the country's fall from grace.

True Christians, as you purport to be, have the truth on their side and need not resort to such underhanded tactics as those espoused by the King of Lies --- he who is behind the secularist movement that seeks to unite the world under a single government to be ruled by Satan himself.

Rather than condemn you, I simply point out the fact that you invoke the same lies and deceptive tricks used by the secular left to distance a nation built upon God's law from the principles that made America great. Those principles just happen to be consistent with Christian beliefs, unlike the secular society into which the nation has been transformed.

There will be judgment alright. All I said is that I will not be the one to judge. Without Christ's forgiveness, I would perish in hell for all eternity, and I am mindful of that fact, and mindful of the fact that God will judge all when their time comes, alleviating the need for me to act in a pompous manner as though I were God Himself, judging others based on zero information and condemning them to eternal hellfire.

I never said that judgment will not be handed down. You nonetheless lied in asserting that I did make such a claim, and then attributing several other statements to me that I did not make, nor did I imply.

I spent countless hours of my time and well over 10% of my income using my God-given abilities to help spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ online. For this, you accuse me of "spamming", and in your condemnation of me resort to those tactics that are easily identifiable by any true believer who's eyes are open as the very same tactics used by Satan to attack and destroy truth.

Are you acting on behalf of Satan? Only you, God and the devil know that. It is not my place to judge your soul.

That said, I can see the forest for the trees, and I can see by the very fact that the truth is not sufficient grounds for you to make your point that you are in need of prayer.

As I said before, I will pray for you, and I forgive you, as hopefully Christ will forgive me for my own transgressions when my day cometh.

For anyone reading this thread who isn't sure what to make of it, note the fact that I can articulate my point without attacking the individuals with whom I converse. Also take note of the fact that they need to put words into my mouth that I did not say, and attack my character in hopes of discrediting me as an individual rather than take issue with the contents of my remarks.