[Redeemed Papist]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

I can sit here for hours arguing the parameters of your completely warped view of what Christianity and God stands for , the bible i know ...

The Bible you know. Does it have lots of pages ripped out or verses blotted out with ink?

[ExGay Alex]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

i said the messages in the bible need to be interpreted with some discretion for example the killing of homosexuals i believe is not i the nature of the God, i think the message of Leviticus and the the story of the town of Sodom are not some superficial story to be taken literally but more so portray a broader meaning. God is all powerful he doesn't work in simple ways

I cannot imagine what could possibly bring you to believe this, other than you just can't stomach the idea that one of your gay friends is on a fast track to the pits of hell. God is pretty clear on this.

Is the whole story of Jesus dying for our sins just some sort of metaphor? Do you not believe that God created the world, or do you see that story is just some symbolic tale whose real meaning we are supposed to guess? At this rate, you might is well just chuck the whole Christian doctrine out the window in exchange for .... what? Your personal view/interpretation/conjecture on what God REALLY meant to say.

No, friend. You have it wrong. We have a sacred text for a reason. Just read it. It's not more mysterious or complicated than that. What is in the Bible is God's word, not for you to change. This is clearly set out in 2 Peter 1:20.

[ExGay Alex]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

I really can't, so get your abacus ready, because I need to know how damned I really am. Here's me in a nut shell:
1) I am female (boop! damned already)
2) I was born in Oregon (Where the homos and hippies thrive)
3) I was never baptized (My God-loving mother had to deal with my would-be older sisters death 4 short months after she was born, explain?)
4) I wear pants, because dresses are uncomfortable to wear all the time (skirts too) but I do wear nice dresses on occasions.
5) I don't dress as a whore, ever, but I was still tempted by a snake (man) and fell into his trap (crotch, if you will) and because of him I contracted Chlamydia (that I didn't know of for 8 months because of healthcare.) and now I'm 97% sterile.
6) I'm no longer a virgin, actually, I haven't been since I was raped at the age of 8 by a horribly perverted man that would have used my little sister too if I didn't but tied me up and forced me to anyways.
7) I work a security job, I'm not a stay-at-home kind of girl, I like adventure.
8) Despite everything bad that's happened to me, I found my soul mate when I was 18 and he was 16. He doesn't care for God, yet I know I am his forever. I will not force him to love God, and I respect that we share very similar views about many topics surrounding religion and politics. He respects me for who I am, and that is what makes our love perfect.
We're getting married too, tomorrow will be our 2 year anniversary.

I'm certainly not bashing anyone in this community, I'm sure you're all God-abiding citizens of a God-less nation, and you hate it. All that I ask for is respect as a human being, and an answer. I am NOT asking for harassment, so temper your minds before you cast stones. I am only looking for a way out.

From what I see, pretty damn damned.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

I can sit here for hours arguing the parameters of your completely warped view of what Christianity and God stands for , the bible i know preaches love between all people as God as a ubiquitous force has the power to reach all of his children. Your preaching portrays a vengeful God and the way you articulate your arguments concerning evil is implicate that we should worship some satanic practice.i don't wish to offend and correct me if i have misinterpreted what you have said. I love and believe in the bible although its messages are not one dimensional , God is not that simple , therefore the messages need to be taken in with some discretion for example do you believe the world is flat ??? ( i believe this is the third time i have asked this question )

i will pray for you

God Bless

As has been pointed out to you, yes, God is vengeful (Psalm 18:34). Next.

And God commands sodomites to be massacred. (2 Kings 23:7) Next.

Yes, the earth is flat (see Job 9:6; 1 Samuel 2:8; Matthew 4:8; Daniel 4:10-11).

The Bible says it. Why can't you accept it? Are we trying to vomit on the white carpet of God's pure truth with secular, scripture-twisting upchuck? I think so.

Accept the Word of God so God can accept you!

Next.

Pastor Ed

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

i said the messages in the bible need to be interpreted with some discretion for example the killing of homosexuals i believe is not i the nature of the God, i think the message of Leviticus and the the story of the town of Sodom are not some superficial story to be taken literally but more so portray a broader meaning. God is all powerful he doesn't work in simple ways

Where does the Bible say any of that?

When you say God's Word is not "superficial", not to be taken "literally", and it portrays a "broader" meaning, do you mean it is cryptic and vague? Only fools and crooks write that way. Are you saying God is a fool or a crook?

[WWJDnow]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

the bible i know preaches love between all people

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Vex the Midianites, and smite them. Numbers 25:16-17

Your preaching portrays a vengeful God

O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. Psalm 94:1

[Christianlover]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

i said the messages in the bible need to be interpreted with some discretion for example the killing of homosexuals i believe is not i the nature of the God, i think the message of Leviticus and the the story of the town of Sodom are not some superficial story to be taken literally but more so portray a broader meaning. God is all powerful he doesn't work in simple ways

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

You say the Bible you know preaches love and that is true but it also preaches that the gays should be killed in Leviticus 20:13.

How do you square believing the Bible one minute and not the next?

Yours in Christ.

[Christianlover]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

I can sit here for hours arguing the parameters of your completely warped view of what Christianity and God stands for , the bible i know preaches love between all people as God as a ubiquitous force has the power to reach all of his children. Your preaching portrays a vengeful God and the way you articulate your arguments concerning evil is implicate that we should worship some satanic practice.i don't wish to offend and correct me if i have misinterpreted what you have said. I love and believe in the bible although its messages are not one dimensional , God is not that simple , therefore the messages need to be taken in with some discretion for example do you believe the world is flat ??? ( i believe this is the third time i have asked this question )

i will pray for you

God Bless

[Brother Enoch]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

so do you believe the world is flat ? i believe you may have misread my question , i said is Satan evil ? not who created evil. And if Satan is evil why does he punish Homosexuals and sinners?

You weren't paying attention. God created evil (see above) God also created Satan. God created everything.

Did you really not get that far into the Bible? God created everything, it's on the first page!!

Have you been skipping your ritalin?

[Noah Sole]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

so do you believe the world is flat ? i believe you may have misread my question , i said is Satan evil ? not who created evil. And if Satan is evil why does he punish Homosexuals and sinners?

God is omnipotent and so Satan is doing what he is told by burning sinners (e.g. homers) in Hell. Here is an example of God commanding Satan:

Job 2:6
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.

This is why he burns homers:

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

All the best

[Christianlover]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

so do you believe the world is flat ? i believe you may have misread my question , i said is Satan evil ? not who created evil. And if Satan is evil why does he punish Homosexuals and sinners?

[Brother Enoch]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

Reverend i am afraid i am straying from the lord. i recently calculated that in the bible God Kills over 2 million people while the devil only kills 10 , why? Are we not supposed to love thy neighbor ? Does satan punish evil people ? if so wouldn't that make good as he is punishing homosexuals and sinners ?

Who is the reverand you're talking to and what the Hell are you talking about? All deaths in the Bible are by God's hand, some to bring the faithful to deliverance and eternal salvation, others to be damned to Hell for all eternity. Deaths that occurred at Satan's hand were at Gods behest. Do you really think Satan can kill people willy-nilly on Earth? No, that's what God does when they deserve it for not following him!

Check this out! God's judgement on the unfaithful Japs!

Shout glory!!

God created evil, not Satan.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Satan is just one of God's tools.

Please buy a Bible.

[Christianlover]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

Reverend i am afraid i am straying from the lord. i recently calculated that in the bible God Kills over 2 million people while the devil only kills 10 , why? Are we not supposed to love thy neighbor ? Does satan punish evil people ? if so wouldn't that make good as he is punishing homosexuals and sinners ?

[Brother Enoch]

Re: So exactly how damned am I?

I really can't, so get your abacus ready, because I need to know how damned I really am. Here's me in a nut shell:
1) I am female (boop! damned already)

Not true, women are saved through childbirth.

2) I was born in Oregon (Where the homos and hippies thrive)

And I was born in Canada, even worse. Does not mean you can't be saved.

3) I was never baptized (My God-loving mother had to deal with my would-be older sisters death 4 short months after she was born, explain?)

You might want to get on with a baptism, forthwith.

4) I wear pants, because dresses are uncomfortable to wear all the time (skirts too) but I do wear nice dresses on occasions.

As long as you're not trying to be slutty, I just blame that on cultural idiosyncrasities.

5) I don't dress as a whore, ever, but I was still tempted by a snake (man) and fell into his trap (crotch, if you will) and because of him I contracted Chlamydia (that I didn't know of for 8 months because of healthcare.) and now I'm 97% sterile.

Sounds like you've already been punished for that sin. God's justice can be swift.

6) I'm no longer a virgin, actually, I haven't been since I was raped at the age of 8 by a horribly perverted man that would have used my little sister too if I didn't but tied me up and forced me to anyways.

Sounds like you've had a rough life. My sympathies, but I'm guessing Jesus was trying to teach you something.

7) I work a security job, I'm not a stay-at-home kind of girl, I like adventure.

I'm all for security. We definitely need people to stop children from littering on the playground.

8) Despite everything bad that's happened to me, I found my soul mate when I was 18 and he was 16. He doesn't care for God, yet I know I am his forever. I will not force him to love God, and I respect that we share very similar views about many topics surrounding religion and politics. He respects me for who I am, and that is what makes our love perfect.
We're getting married too, tomorrow will be our 2 year anniversary.

Congratulations. But if you really love him you should probably bring him to Jesus so he doesn't burn in Hell. Love isn't letting people drive themselves off cliffs.

I'm certainly not bashing anyone in this community, I'm sure you're all God-abiding citizens of a God-less nation, and you hate it. All that I ask for is respect as a human being, and an answer. I am NOT asking for harassment, so temper your minds before you cast stones. I am only looking for a way out.

No stones, it doesn't sound like you're hopeless just yet. But buy a KJV soon and follow it to the letter, because none of us how much time we have left to make the right choice. And I do hope you make that right choice and Jesus doesn't cast you into the pit.

All the best.
Enoch