[Levi Jones]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

Levi,

Do you believe God is trying to warn me against pedobaptism?

Calvinists don't believe in pedobaptism, if I recall correctly.

Why do you think I was given this affliction?

It's difficult to say. Perhaps it was so Jesus could heal you of it to show His mighty power.

John 9:2-3 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

It also could be that one of your ancestors sinned.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

But there's good news! Perhaps we could arrange to pray for you to heal you and arrange for God to forgive you of whatever sins you or your ancestors committed to receive this blemish.

James 5:14-15 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

If it doesn't work, it was your fault.

James 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

Why do you think I was given this affliction?

Not necessarily through any fault of yours.

EDIT: sorry, I didn't post the Scripture that was laid on my heart in that post:

DEUTERONOMY 5
6 ¶ I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the lande of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt haue none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any grauen image, or any likenesse of any thing that is in heauen aboue, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth.
9 Thou shalt not bow downe thy selfe vnto them, nor serue them: for I the Lord thy God am a ielous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers vpon the children, vnto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy vnto thousands, of them that loue me, and keepe my commandements.
©1611

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

I believe in a personal living God who is active in our lives all the time.

Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Levi,

Do you believe God is trying to warn me against pedobaptism? Why do you think I was given this affliction?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

So why do you say the Mormon Church is unsound? Our next President is from that Church and I find it disturbing to think the President would be a member of an unsound Church in such a Godfearing Country as the USA. Does that mean our next President is un-baptised in your view?

YIC

The Mormon church is unsound because they believe in the Book of Mormon, practise polygamy and wear funny underwear. Your next President, sadly, may well turn out to be an antichrist, leading your godfearing nation astray and deceiving, if it were possible, even the elect.

The problem stems from your system of government there in the US. Nowhere in the Bible does God sanction democracy as his chosen instrument of government. The only form of government endorsed in the Bible is a monarchy. In Australia we have Queen Elizabeth II ruling over us, who is a member of both the Church of England and the Church of Scotland , so we are really blessed here. We are preserved from the predicament you face over there. And the Netherlands, my home country, is also a monarchy.

I find it funny how in the US you guys think Republicans are conservative. In Australia republicans (those who want Australia to become a republic) are a bunch of ultra leftist weirdos. Perhaps you guys should rejoin the British Empire. Just a thought.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

Why do you think that there has to be a reason for suffering?

I believe in a personal living God who is active in our lives all the time.

Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

Dear friend,

You claim to be partially deaf. To what do you attribute said affliction? Do you think that perhaps Jesus is trying to tell you something about the Satanic practice of child sacrifice, aka paedobaptism?

I was born partially deaf. It is a genetic defect. Like everyone else, from the moment of conception, I was inherently evil. It just so happened that God chose to smite me with deafness, but others he smote with different afflictions. Why do you think that there has to be a reason for suffering? From where do you get this novel concept?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

The main points of Calvinism can be summed up by the mnemonic tulip.

Total depravity
Unconditional election (God's elect were not chosen based on any goodness within themselves)
Limited atonement (Jesus died only for the elect, NOT for everyone)
Irresistible calling (If you are elect, you have no choice; you will come to faith in Christ when the Holy Spirit calls you. God has not given us free will, as so many "evangelicals" claim)
Perseverance of the saints (If you really are a Christian you will persevere till the end. If you fall away, then you weren't really a Christian in the first place and God has shown you up for the reprobate soul that you are)

I know the five points very well. It's nice to have you. I think you'll find we agree on more than we don't.

[Noah Sole]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

Rev Rodimer,

To clarify my previous comment, if someone comes to faith in Christ as, say, an adolescent or an adult and they have not previously been baptised in a sound church (being baptised in a Mormon church wouldn't count, for that is not a sound church), then they should be baptised and the option of full immersion would be open to them. This is believer's baptism, and we practise this. The difference is that we do not practise believers-only baptism; we also practise pedobaptism. I hope that the Lord opens your heart to understanding.

So why do you say the Mormon Church is unsound? Our next President is from that Church and I find it disturbing to think the President would be a member of an unsound Church in such a Godfearing Country as the USA. Does that mean our next President is un-baptised in your view?

YIC

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

Well, which is it, friend?

Do you believe in believer's baptism, or do you baptize children who are not old enough to understand to what they commit? You can't have it both ways. A child who barely grasps "mama" or "papa" can hardly be competent to make decisions about his immortal soul.

Also, you seem to think that there are "levels of Hell" somehow, yet it is just a vast lake of fire. Where do you get these "levels of torment"?

Rev Rodimer,

To clarify my previous comment, if someone comes to faith in Christ as, say, an adolescent or an adult and they have not previously been baptised in a sound church (being baptised in a Mormon church wouldn't count, for that is not a sound church), then they should be baptised and the option of full immersion would be open to them. This is believer's baptism, and we practise this. The difference is that we do not practise believers-only baptism; we also practise pedobaptism. I hope that the Lord opens your heart to understanding.

As to your comment about "levels of torment", yes, there would seem to be different levels of torment. Matt 23:14 — "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the GREATER DAMNATION." Mark 14:21 — "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born." In the first verse Jesus says that the pharisees will receive greater condemnation than everyone else. In the latter he says that it would have been better for Judas had he never been born, probably indicating that he suffers a worse fate in eternity than most of the reprobate do.

[Christianzionist]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

Dear friend,

You claim to be partially deaf. To what do you attribute said affliction? Do you think that perhaps Jesus is trying to tell you something about the Satanic practice of child sacrifice, aka paedobaptism?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

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[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

Baptism is a sign of God's covenant with his people. According to the grammatical-historical method of exegesis, Col 2:11-12 states that baptism replaces circumcision. Just as under the Old Covenant, the children of God's chosen people had to be circumcised, so now the children of God's elect must be baptised so that they may become non-communicant members of God's church. Acts 2:38-39 states that believers should "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children." If in later life these children grow up to reject Christ, they will receive greater condemnation because they had the benefit of the sacrament. By not baptising your children you run the risk of reducing their eternal torment should they not repent of their evil, wicked ways. I don't think anyone in their right mind would want that.

Like all churches we practice believer's baptism. If a new believer has never been baptised in a sound church, then he should be baptised in obedience to Christ.

Well, which is it, friend?

Do you believe in believer's baptism, or do you baptize children who are not old enough to understand to what they commit? You can't have it both ways. A child who barely grasps "mama" or "papa" can hardly be competent to make decisions about his immortal soul.

Also, you seem to think that there are "levels of Hell" somehow, yet it is just a vast lake of fire. Where do you get these "levels of torment"?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

Kindly explain to me the meaning of baptism and the role the baptized must play in being baptized.

Baptism is a sign of God's covenant with his people. According to the grammatical-historical method of exegesis, Col 2:11-12 states that baptism replaces circumcision. Just as under the Old Covenant, the children of God's chosen people had to be circumcised, so now the children of God's elect must be baptised so that they may become non-communicant members of God's church. Acts 2:38-39 states that believers should "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children." If in later life these children grow up to reject Christ, they will receive greater condemnation because they had the benefit of the sacrament. By not baptising your children you run the risk of reducing their eternal torment should they not repent of their evil, wicked ways. I don't think anyone in their right mind would want that.

Like all churches we practice believer's baptism. If a new believer has never been baptised in a sound church, then he should be baptised in obedience to Christ.

In our church the normal mode of baptism for children is by sprinkling or pouring. Acts 2:17 states that God will "pour out His Spirit on all flesh." Ezekiel 36:25 states that God will "sprinkle clean water" on his people. Obviously, infants play no role in being baptised. Covenant theology is not a democracy. In our church baptism of adults may be done by immersion if the subject requests it, even though this method is not explicitly mentioned in scripture.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

I see that there is the potential for conflict, but I do not intend to be the cause of any, as I am a guest on this forum. Personally, I do not hold to baptistic doctrine. I am, naturally, a pedobaptist.

Kindly explain to me the meaning of baptism and the role the baptized must play in being baptized.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Greetings from Down Under

pedobaptist

People like you should be locked up

Children are our future, you know?

YIC