[RadicalBelief]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

Well, then you shouldn't have compared cars an potatoes.

It was a perfect comparison. It is a fact that there is only one true God and Saviour, just as it is a fact that cars are not fueled by potatoes. How you fail to see the connection is beyond me.

[JohnSwede]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

[QUOTE=Alphonse Alban;908669]Can you read at all? As I said, we try to get message of Jesus out to as many people as possible. Still, if that message never reaches that baby, he will end up in hell.
He is sinful, because his parents are sinful. They did not follow God.
[QUOTE]

I stopped reading there. We are all sinful as we are all related to Adam and Eve.

Yes, you are taught how they work - but there is only one true Saviour, and that is Our Saviour, Jesus Christ. You completely missed my point.

Well, then you shouldn't have compared cars an potatoes.




Anyway, I've been touched by God as a Lutheran. But as I said, I still have lots of questions that I don't think a man can answer correctly, only God and I will have an eternity to spend on asking those questions to someone that really knows the answers to 100% when I am in Heaven.

Praise the lord for he is understanding me!

[RadicalBelief]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

You are taught how the religions work, and not religions as a fact. I hope you understood that during your time in school. I understand you must have been extremely confused when you thought they were teaching religion as facts
Well, I am glad you found the path

Yes, you are taught how they work - but there is only one true Saviour, and that is Our Saviour, Jesus Christ. You completely missed my point.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

Shouldn't we illuminate them then? I do feel sorry for them, as it is not their fault and should be helped at all costs. That's what Jesus would do.
I doubt God wouldn't forgive a child born in sin, why then would God even allow the child to be born in the first place? Wouldn't that just help the Devil?

Can you read at all? As I said, we try to get message of Jesus out to as many people as possible. Still, if that message never reaches that baby, he will end up in hell.
He is sinful, because his parents are sinful. They did not follow God. If you would have ever read the bible, you know that you can inherit sins of your fathers. You forget that God is omnipotent. He is source of all evil too. You have free will to get saved, or spit in the face of Jesus. Like those people who turned to paganism did.

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Here is some more typical hate from the Baptist Church. Oh well.

We dont give false hope, we give them a choice. We are taught religion in School. You learn about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism Hinduism etc, and then it is up to you if you want to believe or not. How would you feel if you were put to a school when you're a child, and they only taught you about Islam, and that is the correct Religion and you didnt have another choice?
It is good that you learn about other cultures and religions in order to understand them better why they believe and what they believe - or not believe.

It is no hatred. It is a fact. Lutherans has forsaken the bible. They are teaching against the teachings of the bible. Jesus teaches that other religions are wrong, and those misguided people should be converted to Christianity. Jesus is the only way to salvation. It's that simple. If you do not believe it, you are saying that Jesus is wrong.

Mark 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I cannot blame or judge anyone not believing in God and the Holy Bible as many of them haven't seen a sign from God like you and I. How are you suppose to believe then? Any human can tell you this or that, about this is true and this is false, but how can you tell if he is right without any direct proof from God?

You should judge those people. Jesus commands you to judge them and rebuke their heathen ways.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

2 Timothy 4:1-2 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

[JohnSwede]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

Being Swedish myself, I was also forcefed the hair-raising, unholy, Godmocking bull about Islam, Buddhism, etcetera.

To give you a solid point: You claim that it is good that we teach our children about other religions. Would you think it is equally as good to teach them other non-facts? What if my teachers were to teach me that cars are fueled by potatoes? We all know that Our Lord is the only God, we all know that Jesus Christ is our Saviour - it is a fact. Why teach anything else than facts?

This is what is wrong with public education, and why I have decided to homeschool my children.

You are taught how the religions work, and not religions as a fact. I hope you understood that during your time in school. I understand you must have been extremely confused when you thought they were teaching religion as facts
Well, I am glad you found the path

[Jedediah]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

Can you please enlighten me about Matthew 12:31? What does it mean?
You don't like when you interpret literary, but now you say different?
Hypocrisy is a death sin.

Since you seem so fixated on distorting this particular verse of Scripture to suit your imaginary version of Christianity that exists only in your deluded imagination, I'll bite.

Matthew 12:30-37
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Isn't it interesting when we look at verses in context rather than trying to twist their meaning to suit your vain agenda? Sins can be forgiven, except for one. It's not a difficult concept. To be forgiven, you must be repent (Acts 2:28), become a True Christian™ (Matthew 12:30), and go forth and sin no more (I John 5:18). That is, you must become perfect, like we are.

The fact that you fail at rightly dividing the Word shows what a spiritual cripple you truly are. I give thanks to God that He guided you here, that you may have a chance to learn from our example and make something worthwhile of yourself.

I Corinthians 2:14-15
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

You damn yourself with every sass-mouthed word you utter in our direction. I suggest you take a few deep breaths, calm down, and share in Christian fellowship with us. We want you to join us in Heaven, but it's looking unlikely to happen with your sour attitude.

[RadicalBelief]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

We dont give false hope, we give them a choice. We are taught religion in School. You learn about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism Hinduism etc, and then it is up to you if you want to believe or not. How would you feel if you were put to a school when you're a child, and they only taught you about Islam, and that is the correct Religion and you didnt have another choice?

Being Swedish myself, I was also forcefed the hair-raising, unholy, Godmocking bull about Islam, Buddhism, etcetera.

To give you a solid point: You claim that it is good that we teach our children about other religions. Would you think it is equally as good to teach them other non-facts? What if my teachers were to teach me that cars are fueled by potatoes? We all know that Our Lord is the only God, we all know that Jesus Christ is our Saviour - it is a fact. Why teach anything else than facts?

This is what is wrong with public education, and why I have decided to homeschool my children.

[JohnSwede]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

Baby born in some desolate Amazonian jungle who will never even hear about Jesus, is just as sinful in the eyes of God than someone who willingly turns his back on love of Jesus. That baby is born of sin because his ancestors did forsake God when people were scattered all over the world. Jesus is the only way to salvation. Turn or burn.

Shouldn't we illuminate them then? I do feel sorry for them, as it is not their fault and should be helped at all costs. That's what Jesus would do.
I doubt God wouldn't forgive a child born in sin, why then would God even allow the child to be born in the first place? Wouldn't that just help the Devil?

Again you are mistaken. We are not ignoring that. We do love our neighbors and we give tithe to our Church to help ones needing help. We do not ignore parts of bible like you do. We are the most loving Christians and this is friendliest forum in all of the internet. There is no greater love than speading the true message of Jesus. Turn or burn.

Lots of cursing and mocking against others, like non-Americans. "Godless England" when you are reading King James' bible for an example.
You threaten people that do not think like you with violence in some cases, which I don't find very Christian and something Jesus would do. It is God's decision to punish, not yours.
If you think by Matthew 19:21, is to give to the poor means to your Church, you clearly haven't seen poverty and should open your eyes a little bit.

Liberal false-Christians, like your rotten lutheran church in Sweden, are the ones who does not love other people. They lie to people. They say it's OK to be gaysexual, muslim, joo or other heathen. We all know that it's not true. Everyone who is not baptized and does not believe ends up in hell. It is cruel to give false hope to people and not telling that in reality they are heading to hell. We do not lie to people. Because we care.

Here is some more typical hate from the Baptist Church. Oh well.

We dont give false hope, we give them a choice. We are taught religion in School. You learn about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism Hinduism etc, and then it is up to you if you want to believe or not. How would you feel if you were put to a school when you're a child, and they only taught you about Islam, and that is the correct Religion and you didnt have another choice?
It is good that you learn about other cultures and religions in order to understand them better why they believe and what they believe - or not believe.
I cannot blame or judge anyone not believing in God and the Holy Bible as many of them haven't seen a sign from God like you and I. How are you suppose to believe then? Any human can tell you this or that, about this is true and this is false, but how can you tell if he is right without any direct proof from God?

I would have lots of doubts if I wouldn't been saved, but it feels like now that Lutheranism is correct for me and that God is fine with that, and you are not the one to Judge me that that's not true, because God himself accepted me.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

Well, eventually more than 60 Billion people will go to hell, but at the moment we are far away from even had 60 Billion people walking the earth. It could take a thousand years before he has sent 60 billion people to hell, or it could take 60 billion years. We don't know how many made it to the Heaven.

That was the point. 6 billion or 600 billions, they will go to hell if they are not baptized and they do not believe. Baby born in some desolate Amazonian jungle who will never even hear about Jesus, is just as sinful in the eyes of God than someone who willingly turns his back on love of Jesus. That baby is born of sin because his ancestors did forsake God when people were scattered all over the world. Jesus is the only way to salvation. Turn or burn.

Loving your neighbors and helping the poor is something that is mentioned a lot as well.
Why do you ignore that?

Again you are mistaken. We are not ignoring that. We do love our neighbors and we give tithe to our Church to help ones needing help. We do not ignore parts of bible like you do. We are the most loving Christians and this is friendliest forum in all of the internet. There is no greater love than speading the true message of Jesus. Turn or burn.

Liberal false-Christians, like your rotten lutheran church in Sweden, are the ones who does not love other people. They lie to people. They say it's OK to be gaysexual, muslim, joo or other heathen. We all know that it's not true. Everyone who is not baptized and does not believe ends up in hell. It is cruel to give false hope to people and not telling that in reality they are heading to hell. We do not lie to people. Because we care.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

Of course we shall live by the words that proceedeth out of the mouth of God?

Doesn't change the fact that you won't be forgiven if you unintentionally fail some of his words.

Leviticus 4:26-28 :

"He shall burn all the fat on the altar as he burned the fat of the fellowship offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for the leader’s sin, and he will be forgiven.

“‘If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, when they realize their guilt and the sin they have committed becomes known, they must bring as their offering for the sin they committed a female goat without defect."



Plus, it clearly states, in pure plain text, that all sins can be forgiven except blasphemy against God. No one can deny that. Matthew 12:31 clearly states that.

EVERY WORD

And nobody is denying that if you blaspheme the holy spirit you are going to Hell with no hope of reprieve.

God loves us so much that even if you are a mass murderer you go to Heaven if you repent truly. God hates blasphemy so much it doesn't matter how much you try to sneak your black and hateful heart past Him by doing good works you will go to Hell.

GLORY!

[JohnSwede]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

He will send 60 billion and more to hell, if they do not follow his word. If you do not believe in the bible, you are not a Christian. This is the message of the bible, no matter the translation. Even in your liberal Swiss translation people who does not belive will be damned and so they were damned in Greek texts as well. This is all in that New Testament you clearly have not been reading.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

I believe, you know that.

Well, eventually more than 60 Billion people will go to hell, but at the moment we are far away from even had 60 Billion people walking the earth. It could take a thousand years before he has sent 60 billion people to hell, or it could take 60 billion years. We don't know how many made it to the Heaven.

I believe in the Bible, but we all do mistakes as I said previously and according to the Bible, you can be forgiven.
Enemies are non-believers, not people who unintentionally sin, therefore he can forgive you.

The Bible states that you should hate your enemy, but it is just a small piece of the Bible, but it is something the Baptist Church mostly focus on even though Loving your neighbors and helping the poor is something that is mentioned a lot as well.
Why do you ignore that?

Can you please enlighten me about Matthew 12:31? What does it mean?
You don't like when you interpret literary, but now you say different?
Hypocrisy is a death sin.

[Deaner]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

The doctors wanted to use Chemotherapy as an attempt to get me cured, but me and my parents decided not to go through it, and instead Pray and spend time in the church instead and hope God would forgive me for what I might have done to deserve the sickness, and here I am 10 years later asking myself why God chose to first make me sick and then give me this second chance and how to make it up for him.

The answer seems pretty obvious to me. Did you sin while you were in the womb? Did you lust after your mother and masturbate? God see's everything; including our thoughts.

If not your mother, do you have any sisters that you may have carnally sensed while in your mother's tummy?

It's hard to figure out why God does what he does sometimes. Just be glad he didn't order his angels to smash your head against a rock.

YIC

Deaner

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

I just dont think that God will send around 6 billion people currently living on earth to hell. Last time I read the new testament, He was pretty forgiving.

He will send 60 billion and more to hell, if they do not follow his word. If you do not believe in the bible, you are not a Christian. This is the message of the bible, no matter the translation. Even in your liberal Swiss translation people who does not belive will be damned and so they were damned in Greek texts as well. This is all in that New Testament you clearly have not been reading.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

[JohnSwede]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

Friend, you are absolutely incorrect. You cannot be forgiven unless you repent of your sceptical ways that lead to damnation.

Luke
17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

However, you cannot repent unless the Father broods over you and draws you to Jesus.

John
6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

In other words, your personal interpretation of the scripture does not matter, and you will not get saved when you want to. The Lord® makes that choice, not you.

And in rebuttal, before you say it: you cannot just call on the name of the Lord, or call Him Blessed unless the Lord moves you to call on Him.

1 Corinthians
12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

In further rebuttal, if you go ahead and say it: it will render a false-witness and will lead you further into damnation.

Friend, if you would read(instead of cherry-pick) the KJV Bible, you would be aware of this.

I follow the Lord, and I think I am following the Bible in a way that God will accept, but everyone makes mistakes, there is no one perfect except God.

You guys have stated that you take the Bible literary but now you say you shouldn't take Matthew 12:31 literary?
Matthew 12:31 is pretty plain and simple and difficult to interpret in another way. The verses you posted, would be "easier" to interpret into something that would suit your beliefs more than other's.

I have read the KJV Bible and there are lot's of verses that makes 100% sense and there are no questions what the message is, but then there are those verses in the Bible that creates different beliefs, which is not very difficult to understand. God will understand.

[JohnSwede]

Re: Hello all fellow Christians

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Of course we shall live by the words that proceedeth out of the mouth of God?

Doesn't change the fact that you won't be forgiven if you unintentionally fail some of his words.

Leviticus 4:26-28 :

"He shall burn all the fat on the altar as he burned the fat of the fellowship offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for the leader’s sin, and he will be forgiven.

“‘If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, when they realize their guilt and the sin they have committed becomes known, they must bring as their offering for the sin they committed a female goat without defect."



Plus, it clearly states, in pure plain text, that all sins can be forgiven except blasphemy against God. No one can deny that. Matthew 12:31 clearly states that.