[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

No one need to tell me what I Bible means. I read, study, and pray on it myself, at most comparing what I have learn to what others learn. I believe in the Bible fully and completely. It is God' Word and taht will not change, it only saddens me that in over 1000 years of translation and transcription and made things unclear for many. If only others could understand the beautiful of this book and see it for what it is... the means to salvation and for knowing God fully.

So how is it possible we are disagreeing? Or are you just one of the few so gifted as to truly understand God while lesser mortals flounder around failing to truly see God like you do?

It must be marvellous to be so very blessed. I met false Christians like you once; they called themselves priests and they lied with clever words and were condescending and when I read the Bible it was all laid bare.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

This is clearly not going anywhere and many have even tried putting words in my mouth. How about you all just accept that fact I do not believe in the Trinity so I can go to other parts of this site.

You'd get along better here if you'd stop denying the contents of the Bible.

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

[JonathonWilder]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

No one need to tell me what I Bible means. I read, study, and pray on it myself, at most comparing what I have learn to what others learn. I believe in the Bible fully and completely. It is God' Word and taht will not change, it only saddens me that in over 1000 years of translation and transcription and made things unclear for many. If only others could understand the beautiful of this book and see it for what it is... the means to salvation and for knowing God fully.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

This is clearly not going anywhere and many have even tried putting words in my mouth. How about you all just accept that fact I do not believe in the Trinity so I can go to other parts of this site.

You're not going to get anywhere with dreadful attitudes like that.

Why do you think it's so difficult to read the Bible? Why do you need people to tell you what it means?

[JonathonWilder]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

This is clearly not going anywhere and many have even tried putting words in my mouth. How about you all just accept that fact I do not believe in the Trinity so I can go to other parts of this site.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

No, words mean exactly what they mean. You are treading a slippery slope that leads to catholocism, liberalism, and (ultimately) eternal damnation.

I'd suggest you go back and read 2 Peter 1:20.

YiC,

Zech

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

Actually I wrote it myself, my own words. Taking from my own personal view of that scripture plus what others have said and those that have studied and researched the bible.

So in your view is the Bible internally flawed and contradictory? Because you seem to think there's more than one God or something. It's like one minute it says this then the next it says that and different people could read it and get different meanings yet both of them are right or something.

It all seems so very complicated in your mind - like you think God is incapable of presenting Himself to mankind in a clear and unambiguous way. You seem to think God's a bit incompetent.

Am I the only person here who sees a problem in that?

[JonathonWilder]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

So you are interpreting Scripture?

No more that I am reading a stripture and telling you what it means based on my knowledge and understanding of the subject and purpose. It's actually how reading works, especially since the exact same thing can mean different things to different people.

[JonathonWilder]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

Unless you read it as I stated, usage of the "royal we".
What do you think of John 10:30, "I and my Father are one.", then?
I thought I'd spare you the embarrassment, but as you insist...
"You doing discredit" to your English teachers.

Actually that scripture is a simple one and also a scripture that discredits the idea of the Trinity. Jesus Christ tells his apostles that he wants them to be one like he is one with his father. Clearly this is a spiritual oneness not a physical oneness. Jesus Christ wasn't telling his follows that he literally wanted them to become one with him and his father, but instead one in ideals and belief.
Also again your trying to push that it is important I am making typing mistakes. I make a couple of typing errors, that does not make me an unintellectual or that I don't know what I am talking about. It is bad form to try and discredit me just because I made a few errors in typing.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Actually I wrote it myself, my own words. Taking from my own personal view of that scripture plus what others have said and those that have studied and researched the bible.

So you are interpreting Scripture?

[JonathonWilder]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

From where did you cut and paste the rest of your post?

Actually I wrote it myself, my own words. Taking from my own personal view of that scripture plus what others have said and those that have studied and researched the bible.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

...The idea that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are three positions or aspect of a single being all being God is in opposition to the above verse...

Unless you read it as I stated, usage of the "royal we".

What do you think of John 10:30, "I and my Father are one.", then?

...Throwing everything I said because I misspelled two word, and there not being any mistakes where it counts... the rest of my post.
Please answer and look over the rest of my post.

I thought I'd spare you the embarrassment, but as you insist...

...You doing discredit to God by giving him voices in his head or multiple personifies.

"You doing discredit" to your English teachers.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

You completely ignored everything else I posted, basing your argument of a fallacy. Throwing everything I said because I misspelled two word, and there not being any mistakes where it counts... the rest of my post.
Please answer and look over the rest of my post.

From where did you cut and paste the rest of your post?

[JonathonWilder]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

Whose word to take? Someone who has spent "has spent over forty years as a lecturer and seminar leader on the relationship of the New Testament to Judaism" or someone who use "yor" and cannot spell "explanation"? Hmmm...

You completely ignored everything else I posted, basing your argument of a fallacy. Throwing everything I said because I misspelled two word, and there not being any mistakes where it counts... the rest of my post.
Please answer and look over the rest of my post.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Here Enters Jonathon Wilder

Actually yor wrong, God is not like the kings of earth, here is a better explaination...

Whose word to take? Someone who has spent "has spent over forty years as a lecturer and seminar leader on the relationship of the New Testament to Judaism" or someone who use "yor" and cannot spell "explanation"? Hmmm...