[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Which reminds me, Sister Mary you never apologized for insulting my mother.

I'd like to, but first I'd need to know her. Just because the LORD has revealed to Brother Huchins your own sincerity, it does not provide evidence that your mother did not raise you to be spoiled. Because I have never conversed with her, I can't know if my first comment about her was accurate or not. Do you think she would join us here? I think it would be lovely to get to know her.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

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I plan on using many scriptures on my next post, though at the moment I do not have the times to find the scriptures and copy them onto my post. Would he have problems with his wife reading such as long as she gets her chores done and continues to read the Bible? Myself I read the Bible around twice a day between 30 to an hour for each thus anywhere to a hour to two hours at least. Sorry I simply looked up how much fifty shekels and found it amusing that it seems that it would only a little under $ 15. Better then finding it insulting that a women isn't worth more correct? If it is not a little under $15 as I found how much would fifty shekels be in US dollars?

Hi Asley, Ralph here.
I just ate my lunch as quickly as I could so I'd have a few minutes. Saturday is the busiest day of the month as all the help get paid today and they pretty much spend it all.
Scripture is the road map to life. I would not be where I am today without Gods turgid words giving me the impetus to push forward in the constant struggle between decency and debauchery. I am sure you understand.
Of course you are welcome to do what you want in your free time after your chores are done though my experience is that God has some powerful needs and idle hands are the Devils playthings. I tend to work until I collapse each day, often waking at my desk in the cage at the store. Then it is off to a supervised shower, a nice breakfast of bacon, lard gravy and biscuits and back to the store by 4:30
A Shekel is about a troy ounce of silver. Here is data from COB at COMEX.
Silver
Sept. 2012 contract
$ / troy ounce Floor28.06s-0.035-0.12%26.99
Today|||
35.62

Aug 10Electronic28.05 -0.012-0.04%26.08
Today|||
43.86

Aug 10

Dad does not want the cash value. He wants the actual silver Shekels. Each time a son is married off, the coins are used to marry off a daughter. If there is not daughter being married, the coins go in dad's 'Prayer Jar' and he gives them away when he is doing missionary work.

Actually I was talking about going out to eat, as in your son treating me to dinner and then the next day I would treat you son to dinner. I have the policy not to require the men pay for dinner unlike some men and women but instead switch off who pays for it. If you and you son would like me to make dinner or put together a picnic basket but I would hope your son would take me out some days. It would understandably be a double date, either with you and your wife being the second pair or one of your son's friend and his date. I never go on a date alone, it isn't safe either physically or spiritually. On actually meeting you and your son I will need to speak to my mother and spend time in prayer as you and your son are a fair distance from Utah. Yes I know Utah is the mormon state.

My mother will make us dinner one day and your mother (or preferably you) can make dinner the next time. Of course my father will be joining the two of us to ensure we are behaving in a manner that pleases Jesus. If you insist on going out, I could take you to one of the Chick-A-Fil's I am planning to buy this spring. You made me LOL when you said

...If you and you son would like me to make dinner...

I think you have a dry sense of humor like Dad does.
Utah is not far, only about three hours from our place. Dad spends a fair amount of time doing missionary work in nearby Nevada with several of the Pastors and Reverends.
At this point, I would like to see a picture of whom I am conversing with. How tall are you? What is your weight? Have you broad, child bearing hips?

Well, I have to go and watch over the restocking of the shelves. 6 PM will be here sooner than you can think and we will be mobbed until 10 PM closing time.
Ralph

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Also Rev. Edward Clement you are wrong, I do not believe I am on a throne nor that I am better then men. Also you are wrong, Esther was not removed from her throne or unless you mean to suggest Esther was above the king Ahasuerus as she never was. Yet she was put by God into a position of great power and influence, particularly when it came to influencing her husband. More so though Esther is an example of one with the truest of faith, who not only herself pray but got all of her people to pray so that she would be able to safely face her husband without death so she be able to bring about the means to save her people. The Book of Esther also shows how a woman can be both brave and intellegent.

How foolish you are toung lady. If you read Esther ch. 1 and 2, you will see that she was removed from her throne because of the very same thing that you are doing; disobedience.

It is clear at this point that you have not had the Born-Again Salvation Experience because you are in the flesh; you have not died to the "old man,"which is why you cannot concieve of living a life without sin.

No, you are not backslidden for that is impossible and cannot happen to a True-Christian™, but you do not know the REALITY of the Lord.

Mark

12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

You cannot do this because you have not died to the self; that is why you cannot accept the woman's place, as property, in the scripture.

Galatians

5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Should I expound on it even more? You seem to have trouble understanding the simplest of things, dear.

I plan on using many scriptures on my next post, though at the moment I do not have the times to find the scriptures and copy them onto my post.

This is more evidence that you do not know the Bible; if you knew it, like you say that you do, you would not have to copy-and paste.

And be warned, if you use the scripture wrong, in an attempt to further insult Men of God, and True-Women of God©, you will be entertaining the demons that operate through your flesh, because you have not died to it, and it will result in more depravity and damnation of your very soul.

Also, if you weren't so arrogant, you would know that ou are being haughty against True-Christians™ who have memorized the scripture, i.e. I memorized the Bible when I was very, very young. Fair warning.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

So why did God punish Eve? What did she do wrong? Why does the Bible clearly state it was Eve who was in the transgression?

You're wriggling because you don't like the obvious answer.

You don't like it because the Bible doesn't back up your secularism. Your modern day romantic ideals simply don't stack up no matter how much you try to spin it against the bits of the Bible you don't like.

Read the story of Job. Why does God dispose of all Job's possessions and count his wife and children among them?

You're in denial which is why you arrogantly come to our place and presume to lecture us on God when you're making Him up to suit yourself and cherry picking and twisting scripture.

Women are over and over shown to be property and subjects of little note in Biblical morality. So you are superimposing secular values onto Christianity. Your values are your own, not God's.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

On the rest I simply see it is as a waste of time to discuss the subject more on women being subservient to men

I agree, it's totally waste of time as God is very clear about it.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What are you, a hippie?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

God clearly punished both Adam and Eve, as they were both equally at fault. On the rest I simply see it is as a waste of time to discuss the subject more on women being subservient to men, especially with you Redeemed Papist.


I already answered that question Mary, I explained that Dr. Ernest C. Ville misunderstood what I was saying. I was not saying anything in the Bible was vile and evil but the horrible things you and others were calling me and my mother. Which reminds me, Sister Mary you never apologized for insulting my mother.


The problem is there are scriptures that show women are not property and that they are men' companions one with God himself speaking, and that one must consider the time period in which the Old Testament is in. Many laws back then were as they were because of the culture and political structure. Also remember I look to how Jesus Christ treats women, and he never treated women as lesser then he was. Jesus Christ treated women as people, as those of great worth. That is why this is such a serious subject for me, yet one that it seems I need to avoid so as to prevent conflict.
I'm sorry but I will always look to how Jesus Christ treated women in the New Testament before the misguided views of many of the men here. As the Son of God is a far better man then any here could ever be. I do not mean this in offense but this is how I will believe. The Bible is right and Jesus Christ is the greatest good.


Also Rev. Edward Clement you are wrong, I do not believe I am on a throne nor that I am better then men. Also you are wrong, Esther was not removed from her throne or unless you mean to suggest Esther was above the king Ahasuerus as she never was. Yet she was put by God into a position of great power and influence, particularly when it came to influencing her husband. More so though Esther is an example of one with the truest of faith, who not only herself pray but got all of her people to pray so that she would be able to safely face her husband without death so she be able to bring about the means to save her people. The Book of Esther also shows how a woman can be both brave and intellegent.
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I plan on using many scriptures on my next post, though at the moment I do not have the times to find the scriptures and copy them onto my post. Would he have problems with his wife reading such as long as she gets her chores done and continues to read the Bible? Myself I read the Bible around twice a day between 30 to an hour for each thus anywhere to a hour to two hours at least. Sorry I simply looked up how much fifty shekels and found it amusing that it seems that it would only a little under $ 15. Better then finding it insulting that a women isn't worth more correct? If it is not a little under $15 as I found how much would fifty shekels be in US dollars?


Actually I was talking about going out to eat, as in your son treating me to dinner and then the next day I would treat you son to dinner. I have the policy not to require the men pay for dinner unlike some men and women but instead switch off who pays for it. If you and you son would like me to make dinner or put together a picnic basket but I would hope your son would take me out some days. It would understandably be a double date, either with you and your wife being the second pair or one of your son's friend and his date. I never go on a date alone, it isn't safe either physically or spiritually. On actually meeting you and your son I will need to speak to my mother and spend time in prayer as you and your son are a fair distance from Utah. Yes I know Utah is the mormon state.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What questions am I dodging?

Originally Posted by Rev. Edward Clement
Friend, why are you having trouble understanding that women are the property of men according to what the Word of God says?

As has been pointed out numerous times, that is the very state of the woman according to the scripture.

1 Corinthians
11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

The power on the woman's head is the authority and ownership of a male figure. To further demonstrate tha the women are property, take as an example here where a census was taken and the women did not count.

Numbers
1:2 Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls;

Moreover, you are providing an example of a haughty woman of which with the Lord will not put.

Isaiah
3:16Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
3:17 Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.
3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
3:19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
3:21 The rings, and nose jewels,
3:22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,
3:23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.
3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.
3:25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war. 3:26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

Another example of women as property is the fact that women were considered to also be the spoils of war.

Isaiah
5:30 Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

So I will ask you once more:

Originally Posted by Rev. Edward Clement
Friend, why are you having trouble understanding that women are the property of men according to what the Word of God says?

Apparenty, you think that you sit on a throne, but much like Esther, the Lord has not permitted a woman to sit on the throne of disobedience. You are the property of men. Esther was removed from her throne for disobedience.

(Esther 1:1-22) (Esther 2:1-23)

[James Hutchins]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Well I mean the petty insults and attack on my character

My name is Ashley, and might I ask what part of the USA you both live? Long distance would cause problems with even considering this.
From what I have seen you do have a very good son, I cannot help but admit I am impressed. From his post he seems to have a level of character many do not, even on this site. He spoke respectfully, helpful even to the point of perhaps giving more information then he needed too.
I will open up to him though I have to leave soon so my post of opening up will need to wait for tomorrow. I am more then happy to share responsibilities of marriage, family, and house. As in while I will be taking care of the house and family he will help with such, like for example taking out the garbage and helping with the kids.
It's 50 fifty shekels like 15 dollars, and she doesn't? -smiles in amusement-
To be honest I want one with traditional values as well though I wonder if your son counts how to be a gentleman when it comes to being traditional? Also while your son showed he was fine with me writing I wish to know how you and your son view reading books other then the Bible, take for example the reading of books of the fantasy genre.
Also just to let you and your son know, I am the sort that would wish to get to know a potential spouse by going on dates and such. Like dinners, picnics, and such.
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Also, because Redeemed Papist is so adamant about it would your son see me and treat me as nothing more the a servent to bear him lot of children? I would hope marriage and his wife would mean more then that to him.

Well Ashley, I can only do so much. You have to have a backbone of your own. If you think someone makes a comment you do not like, perhaps you need to respond with information to the contray, ideally using Gods Word(c). You really cannot find a fault if God backs you.

I will of course, monitor the conversations you and my son have.
Ralph does not read 'fantasy' books. He only has time for reality. He reads "Graham & Dodd", "Micromanaging for Success", "Independant Chain Resturant Owner", the "WSJ", "Barrons" and a few other publications. He reads the Bible for an hour every day at a minimum.

Fifty Shekels are fifty silver coins as used when Jesus was blessed with life. It is not a 'giggling matter'. At the Hutchins house, God is what gives our life meaning. It is by His grace that we are still alive each day. I am not sure how you see it as 'funny'.
Psalm 37:13
The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
Ephesians 5:4
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

If you would like to make my son and I a nice dinner or a picnic basket, we can arrange to meet you. All interactions will be chaparoned. Travel is not a problem being I have a G550 and a Bell JetRanger. The Hutchins Home is halfway between Lynchburg and Waltons Mountain off of Rt 29 though Ralph has his eye on City life in Charlotte or Winchester. Where are you located?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What questions am I dodging?

Well dear, here are a couple I've wondered when you'll get to:

What is it that you find "vile" and "evil" about God's Word?

Friend, why are you having trouble understanding that women are the propert of men according to what the Word of God says?

Perhaps these gentlemen will be so kind as to repeat their questions for you if you'd like.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What questions am I dodging? Particularly ones that would cause people to call me a whore and worse, as you said yourself before Brother Hutchins spoke to you, a lesbian.
Also there have been those that are not fyouriendly, that on the get go say I am nothing but cattle and property, that women are stupid and need not as good as men. Even though there is can be truth in that I would never marry a man that has such an attitude, as it is insulting. Which is why I have come in conflict to some here.

You're dodging simple questions like what did God mean when He specifically and directly rebukes Eve and tells her she is to have an utterly subservient role and it's all her fault they are to be cast out of Eden. You just fudge it over and over again. I want to see you spin that one again.

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Why did God punish Eve?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Well dear, you can't be surprised to see men reacting when insulted... publicly... by a female! I mean, it's rather unheard of among True Christians™. But I think you're doing just fine in spite of turning friendly people away. Just stop dodging the questions, otherwise we can't really get to know the real you.

What questions am I dodging? Particularly ones that would cause people to call me a whore and worse, as you said yourself before Brother Hutchins spoke to you, a lesbian.
Also there have been those that are not friendly, that on the get go say I am nothing but cattle and property, that women are stupid and need not as good as men. Even though there is can be truth in that I would never marry a man that has such an attitude, as it is insulting. Which is why I have come in conflict to some here.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I am not sure what more you want me to do.
I had the infraction removed, I had my boy read about you and spend sometime out of his busy schedule on you. He will have to stay up an extra half hour tonight to get caught up.
Ralph is quite the catch as you can see. However, a man is only part of a family, certainly the most significant part but he is not the 'be all to end all'.
As his dad, I have to know that you will do your wifely responsibilities. Ralph is a traditional boy, with traditional values. He treasures stability, focus and Godly responsibility. He believes in pulling his weight and expects a wife to do the same according to the simple rules God has laid out in the Bible. Going to Heaven is very important to Ralph. My boy opened up to you, I hope you will do the same in kind. I have to also ask and will need confirmation of, your fathermother having the requisite fifty shekels. Does she have a Dunn & Bradstreet?
YIC
JH

Well I mean the petty insults and attack on my character

My name is Ashley, and might I ask what part of the USA you both live? Long distance would cause problems with even considering this.
From what I have seen you do have a very good son, I cannot help but admit I am impressed. From his post he seems to have a level of character many do not, even on this site. He spoke respectfully, helpful even to the point of perhaps giving more information then he needed too.
I will open up to him though I have to leave soon so my post of opening up will need to wait for tomorrow. I am more then happy to share responsibilities of marriage, family, and house. As in while I will be taking care of the house and family he will help with such, like for example taking out the garbage and helping with the kids.
It's 50 fifty shekels like 15 dollars, and she doesn't? -smiles in amusement-
To be honest I want one with traditional values as well though I wonder if your son counts how to be a gentleman when it comes to being traditional? Also while your son showed he was fine with me writing I wish to know how you and your son view reading books other then the Bible, take for example the reading of books of the fantasy genre.
Also just to let you and your son know, I am the sort that would wish to get to know a potential spouse by going on dates and such. Like dinners, picnics, and such.
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Also, because Redeemed Papist is so adamant about it would your son see me and treat me as nothing more the a servent to bear him lot of children? I would hope marriage and his wife would mean more then that to him.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

James Hutchins a little help here, Sister Mary, please.
Some here are resorting to baseless insults, again.

Well dear, you can't be surprised to see men reacting when insulted... publicly... by a female! I mean, it's rather unheard of among True Christians™. But I think you're doing just fine in spite of turning friendly people away. Just stop dodging the questions, otherwise we can't really get to know the real you.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Oh no! I am to be ignored by a lippy woman who can't handle God's true word expressed freely and without sugar coating. Whatever shall I do?

Stick your fingers in your ear all you like; the simple truth that in God's eyes you are the property of whatever man rightly owns you to be disposed of at his whim will still follow you, regardless. Twist and jive around your favourite bits of scripture that fit your modern-day romantic preferences all you want, the simple truth that your sex were created to be servants and to bear children is still there for all with ears to hear.

How foolish and naive you look railing at your elders who know better.