[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

But why???

If you club someone over the head like a discontended, coke-addicted nugget-butt nigra, there is no hell to make you pay. You'll be just fine. But it's good to know that you won't beat me and steal my Bentley should we ever meet.



I really hope you're right!



But...why? Is Jesus Lord, Liar, or Lunatic? Pick one. Why respect or value a liar or lunatic?

Pastor Ed

No, my friend. I wont steal your car. My job, as a cop, shold hopefully indicate so.

Of course! Jesus is no liar. As I said, his teachings are great

Thank you for your respectful message.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

I treat people with respect. I know right from wrong. I help people in need. I have never done anything criminal.

But why???

If you club someone over the head like a discontended, coke-addicted nugget-butt nigra, there is no hell to make you pay. You'll be just fine. But it's good to know that you won't beat me and steal my Bentley should we ever meet.

Just because I am not a "true believer", doesnt mean I will hurt people.

I really hope you're right!

As I have said: His teachings are still very valuable to me.

But...why? Is Jesus Lord, Liar, or Lunatic? Pick one. Why respect or value a liar or lunatic?

Pastor Ed

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

We believe in the entire Bible, not just the parts that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. If you want to twist the Bible to make it sound internally contradictory, something that God's Word just cannot be, then that's your problem.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, then it is okay to kill him.

And something about:
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense.

And I remember somthing about clothes.
"Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together."

Exodus 21:7 - "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." Slavery of ones daugther is A-okay.

And after Lots wife turned to stone. I think he went into a cave with his daghters and then they did.... stuff.
"Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father"

"We believe in the entire Bible", well congratulations, my friend.

[Jedediah]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

He was the only person there that day who was free of sin, the only one who had the right to "cast the first stone." He didn't stone her, but instead forgave her and told her to sin no more.

That is tolerance and understanding. He knew she wasnt without flaws and yet she shoulnt be punished. Nor where the accusers punished for their hatred.

In this verse, Jesus is speaking to unsaved trash who have not accepted Him as their LORD and Savior. At that time, He had not yet died (temporarily) on the Cross, so it was not possible for any to be washed in His Blood at that period in history.

Today, we True Christians™ who worship Him and glorify Him by following - unquestioningly - every letter of His Word as given in the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) are without sin, as the following verses of Scripture illustrate. Indeed, as True Christians™, we cannot sin!

Ezekiel 36:26-27
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

II Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

I John 3:6-9
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Therefore, if anyone is to "cast the first stone" and judge in righteous judgment, it is us - the perfect children of God. Praise!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

I wonder, why would anyone WANT to pick passages that encourage judging and hate? When there are passages that speak of tolerance.

We believe in the entire Bible, not just the parts that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. If you want to twist the Bible to make it sound internally contradictory, something that God's Word just cannot be, then that's your problem.

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Really?

John 7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Cor. 2:15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Cor. 5:12-13: For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Cor. 6:2-3: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Romans 14:1-23
"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."


Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven"

I wonder, why would anyone WANT to pick passages that encourage judging and hate? When there are passages that speak of tolerance.

But yes, I am a sinner though, not in my different belief, but I have taken lives. I was sent to Afghanistan. I killed Muslims/Taliban because it was required of me, just like it was required of them to kill me

And I am sure, if there is a god, I will answer for those things. And rightly so.

But at the time, I simply saw it as my job.

But I do believe gods love is boundless, not petty and selective.

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Sorry to spoil the fun, but many Bible scholars don't think that the story of the woman taken in adultery even belongs in the Bible.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Only god should judge.

Really?

John 7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Cor. 2:15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Cor. 5:12-13: For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Cor. 6:2-3: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

That's a pretty low bar for tolerance and understanding. By telling her to "go, and sin no more," He basically said that she had sinned and that she'd better not do it again. By the way, here is what the Bible teaches about tolerance.

I find it to be a high bar. Hate is easier than tolerance. The mob who wanted the woman dead doesnt realize, they are not to judge her. Only god should judge.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

He was the only person there that day who was free of sin, the only one who had the right to "cast the first stone." He didn't stone her, but instead forgave her and told her to sin no more.

That is tolerance and understanding. He knew she wasnt without flaws and yet she shoulnt be punished. Nor where the accusers punished for their hatred.

That's a pretty low bar for tolerance and understanding. By telling her to "go, and sin no more," He basically said that she had sinned and that she'd better not do it again. By the way, here is what the Bible teaches about tolerance.

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

In other words, not everyone. Meaning the love, tolerance, and understanding was to be shown to true believers, not Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and certainly not atheists.

John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Yeah, that's some love and tolerance right there.

By the way, the King James Bible is available online for easy reference in many places. This is my favourite (due to easy search capabilities and version cross-checking): http://kingjbible.com/

The prodigal son teaches us gods love is boundless and about his refusal to limit the measure of his grace

Whereas you seem to believe as the prodigal sons brother: reward and punishment if not believing as you do.

But still, thank you for the link.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

His diciples.

If I remember correctly.

In other words, not everyone. Meaning the love, tolerance, and understanding was to be shown to true believers, not Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and certainly not atheists.

John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Yeah, that's some love and tolerance right there.

By the way, the King James Bible is available online for easy reference in many places. This is my favourite (due to easy search capabilities and version cross-checking): http://kingjbible.com/

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Then why are you giving him the silent treatment and pretending he's not up there watching you this very moment? Deep down, you know he is.

It is probably a secret sin in your life that has manifested itself as a stumblingblock, and you figure, if God doesn't exist, you don't have to repent and change, right?

I know. I understand. I'm a Pastor of God and Certified True Christian™ Counselor, and I'm here to tell you that whatever it is you are facing, Jesus can pull you through!

Pastor Ed

I treat people with respect. I know right from wrong. I help people in need. I have never done anything criminal.

Just because I am not a "true believer", doesnt mean I will hurt people.

As I have said: His teachings are still very valuable to me.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Well, during my confirmation I held many sermons, my reverand (Susanne) was impressed with my people skills.

And to answer another poster:

I do like Jesus.

Then why are you giving him the silent treatment and pretending he's not up there watching you this very moment? Deep down, you know he is.

It is probably a secret sin in your life that has manifested itself as a stumblingblock, and you figure, if God doesn't exist, you don't have to repent and change, right?

I know. I understand. I'm a Pastor of God and Certified True Christian(tm) Counselor, and I'm here to tell you that whatever it is you are facing, Jesus can pull you through!

Pastor Ed

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Who is the "one another" that passage is addressed to?

His diciples.

If I remember correctly.