[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Here I Am

That's wrong: here:

Deut 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Hab 3:3
God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.

These passages are about the Prophet (pbuh).

Keep reading, Bucko.

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which eshall presume fto speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or gthat shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

If it was referring to Mohamhed, the fact he is dead (in direct contradiction to Jesus who is alive and well in us all) obviously means he spoke about the wrong god and is therefor a liar.

YIC

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

Re: Here I Am

I think we can all agree what the real problem is here, eh Sinbad?

That’s true. Atheists are kafir (infidels).

If it was referring to Mohamhed, the fact he is dead (in direct contradiction to Jesus who is alive and well in us all) obviously means he spoke about the wrong god and is therefor a liar.

We don’t deny Muhammad (pbuh) is dead. So are most of the other prophets we believe in like Moses (pbuh) or Noah (pbuh). Allah took Isa/ Jesus (pbuh) and let Judas be crucified in his place. So yes, Jesus (pbuh) is still alive and he will soon return to rule the earth.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Hello Mr. Abraham, and welcome to our friendly forums!

Are you married? Do you have any wives and children to strap bombs to?

[Didymus Much]

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That’s true. Atheists are kafir (infidels)...

Sticks and stones may break my bones,
But names will never hurt me.

Guys on planes with fucked-up brains...




Meh, that's enough poetry for this year.

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

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Hello Mr. Abraham, and welcome to our friendly forums!

Are you married? Do you have any wives and children to strap bombs to?

I have just recently taken a second wife and I have two sons and a daughter. I would never strap bombs to them, especially not my wives or daughter. Their main chance for martyrdom is if they die in childbirth. We're not going to take over the country if we blow up our children, are we? I'm just hoping that Obama will soon bring in Sharia law and we can breath a sigh of relief. Not sure if he'll do it, though. He seems a bit soft.

[Pim Pendergast]

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Welcome, Izmael. What are your views on Christianity? Are we mere infidels? Or are we People of the Book?

What was it that really changed your mind about Christianity?

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

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I have just recently taken a second wife and I have two sons and a daughter. I would never strap bombs to them, especially not my wives or daughter. Their main chance for martyrdom is if they die in childbirth. We're not going to take over the country if we blow up our children, are we? I'm just hoping that Obama will soon bring in Sharia law and we can breath a sigh of relief. Not sure if he'll do it, though. He seems a bit soft.

You, sir, give me the creeps. As far as our current president is concerned, no such thing as you wish for will happen because he will get himself impeached before he has a chance to attempt such a silly thing!

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

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I have just recently taken a second wife and I have two sons and a daughter. I would never strap bombs to them, especially not my wives or daughter. Their main chance for martyrdom is if they die in childbirth. We're not going to take over the country if we blow up our children, are we? I'm just hoping that Obama will soon bring in Sharia law and we can breath a sigh of relief. Not sure if he'll do it, though. He seems a bit soft.

Oh yes, and I'd you are aspiring to take over the country, it would help to learn how to spell first. The verb "breathe" is spelled with an "e" at the end (without it this word is a noun - as in "breath", like a breath of fresh air, which is what I need after reading your disturbing posts.)

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

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Welcome, Izmael. What are your views on Christianity? Are we mere infidels? Or are we People of the Book?

Well, that's tricky. I'm relatively new to Islam and there are different opinions. I believe that if you are a trinitarian, you are a polytheist and therefore kafir. But if you followed the original monotheistic teachings of Jesus (pbuh), you would be People of the Book in the proper sense.

What was it that really changed your mind about Christianity?

For me the clincher was the fact that the Qur'an is pure. Christianity has so many different versions of the Bible, based on many variant texts. Christians can't even agree among themselves how many books should be in the Bible, the catholics throw in the apocrypha. No one speaks the original languages the Bible was written in anymore, and this makes translation difficult. The Qur'an was written in one language: Arabic, which is still spoken today. Muslims are encouraged to read the Qur'an in Arabic (I'm still learning). There are no textual variants of the Qur'an. It is identical to how Muhammad (pbuh) received it.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Christianity has so many different versions of the Bible, based on many variant texts. Christians can't even agree among themselves how many books should be in the Bible, the catholics throw in the apocrypha.

Wrong. The Holy Bible has only one version, and True Christians™ follow it to the letter. Furthermore, cathlics are not even Christian, so their version is irrelevant.

It's foolishness to think the LORD speaks arabic. Why would the LORD of Lords speak some nomadic desert language? That doesn't make sense.

[Didymus Much]

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...It is identical to how Muhammad received it.

Wrong. Mo was illiterate (Qu'ran 7:157), "received" the koran in a series of visions, and told other people what he saw/heard.

Then someone else again (they can't agree who, or even whether it was one person or a committee, some even think it was Mo himself, but how does an illiterate put together a book), collated the now second-hand bits and pieces, put in the most illogical order possible (longest chapter first, instead of chronological, as the Bible is) in order to further obfuscate its meaning, then destroyed all of his sources, preventing the correction of any possible errors that may have sneaked in.

So, at best, it's third-hand information you're dealing with. Unacceptable for even a high-school term paper, somehow billions of people consider it to be God's truth (hmm, torture and gruesome death for those with the temerity to question it couldn't have anything with that, now could it?).

I hope this has been informative.

[Pim Pendergast]

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Well, that's tricky. I'm relatively new to Islam and there are different opinions. I believe that if you are a trinitarian, you are a polytheist and therefore kafir. But if you followed the original monotheistic teachings of Jesus, you would be People of the Book in the proper sense.

We believe in the Trinity, but we are by no means polytheists. The following verse clearly shows how our one and only God is three Persons.

1 Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

You say you "used to be a Christian." You should know this verse, then.

For me the clincher was the fact that the Qur'an is pure. Christianity has so many different versions of the Bible, based on many variant texts. Christians can't even agree among themselves how many books should be in the Bible, the catholics throw in the apocrypha. No one speaks the original languages the Bible was written in anymore, and this makes translation difficult. The Qur'an was written in one language: Arabic, which is still spoken today. Muslims are encouraged to read the Qur'an in Arabic (I'm still learning). There are no textual variants of the Qur'an. It is identical to how Muhammad received it.

There are many versions of the Bible, but True Christians(tm) use only the 1611 KJV, which has the non-canonical apocrypha at the end. Don't bring the catholics into it. Catholics aren't Christians. There aren't any textual variants to be worried about. The Textus Receptus is the only reliable New Testament text.

But what you said about the Koran isn't true.

Most Muslims claim that the text of the Qur'an is identical to that received by Muhammad. This is a convenient thing to believe, but is it the truth? There is overwhelming evidence that it is not.

I have another question for you. I've established that we're monotheists, so you should consider us People of the Book. Are we going to heaven or to hell? Koran 2:62 reads: "Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve." But 98:6 reads: "Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings." Please explain.

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

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Furthermore, cathlics are not even Christian, so their version is irrelevant.

Yes, it would be very convenient if catholics weren't real Christians.

It's foolishness to think the LORD speaks arabic. Why would the LORD of Lords speak some nomadic desert language? That doesn't make sense.

Mat 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Was Jesus (pbuh) God or not?

I hope this has been informative.

I know Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered. I didn't say he wrote it.

We believe in the Trinity, but we are by no means polytheists. The following verse clearly shows how our one and only God is three Persons.

1 Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Can't you see how irrational that sounds? You either have three gods or you have one. You can't have three and one.

I have another question for you. I've established that we're monotheists, so you should consider us People of the Book. Are we going to heaven or to hell? Koran 2:62 reads: "Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve." But 98:6 reads: "Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings." Please explain.

There are two answers to this. First, Surah 2:62 applied to People of the Book before the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came. Second, this verse has been abrogated by Surah 3:85. Either way I don't see a problem.

[Pim Pendergast]

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There are two answers to this. First, Surah 2:62 applied to People of the Book before the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came. Second, this verse has been abrogated by Surah 3:85. Either way I don't see a problem.

Abrogation sounds like a synonym for a glaring contradiction. It sounds like a doctrine you guys just made up to work around any inconsistencies in the Koran. The Bible contains no mistakes.

[Russell Holbeck]

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In one place you say you were muslim since birth in another place you say you are relatively new to islam. You do not make any sense. Since you were already a Baptist I think you should become a Baptist again it should be very easy.

I also think two wives is too many. One is plenty. I know I was married but she is dead now.

Thank you.

Rusty