Are you guys for real?

[CaitlinH]

My name is Caitlin and I have recently joined your website so I can find out more about religion for my studies. I am a student studying maths at the top university in my country, and I have always been interested in religion so it is part of my course. Please, have a guess in what I believe in! I'm sure you won't be surprised!

I like how you have labelled me as a teenage chav, despite me having a top education as well as a job and taking part in sport and charity events. You do not know the first thing about me, and you have labelled me as 'unsaved'. I find the whole lot of you ridiculous, ignorant and probably the most horrible people on the internet. The Christians I have met and spend time with are nice people who like to be nice to others, regardless of their beliefs, sexual orientation etc. To me, and I'm sure many others will agree, to be Christian is to be nice and to 'love thy neighbour'. You are all full of hate and I find you to be very much the opposite of Christian.

I look forward to finding out more about you and your church.

[Mary Johnson]

Re: Are you guys for real?

Welcome Haitlin.
I am new myself, but what makes you use the word "hateful"?
"Love thy neighbour" is only one of many laws God gave us and I am pretty sure, he meant the love between christians. If you would take a look at the bible, you will see that God actually hates atheists, jews, muslims and all other kind of people who refuse to follow him. The act of a christian is not hateful, but obedient to the very word of Jesus Christ. It may sound hateful to you, because it doesn't fit into society nowadays, but many, many centuries ago this acting was completely common. People changed and left God more and more and society grew apart from what God wanted us to be. The bible says exactly how we have to live and that is all, no hate involved at all.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Are you guys for real?

My name is Caitlin and I have recently joined your website so I can find out more about religion for my studies. I am a student studying maths at the top university in my country, and I have always been interested in religion so it is part of my course. Please, have a guess in what I believe in! I'm sure you won't be surprised!

I like how you have labelled me as a teenage chav, despite me having a top education as well as a job and taking part in sport and charity events. You do not know the first thing about me, and you have labelled me as 'unsaved'. I find the whole lot of you ridiculous, ignorant and probably the most horrible people on the internet. The Christians I have met and spend time with are nice people who like to be nice to others, regardless of their beliefs, sexual orientation etc. To me, and I'm sure many others will agree, to be Christian is to be nice and to 'love thy neighbour'. You are all full of hate and I find you to be very much the opposite of Christian.

I look forward to finding out more about you and your church.

The "christians" you know do not follow the Bible, the whole Bible, to the letter like we do. They are cherry-picking salad-bar types who are neglecting their Eternal Salvation for a brief time of abandon.

Sad.



If you can point out a single instance where the posting of a True Christian(tm) has gone against Scripture, or where a True Christian(tm) has misquoted or given his or her personal interpretation of Scripture, I will send $1,000 to the Jesus-hating charity of your choosing.

You have 2 hours.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[James Hutchins]

Re: Are you guys for real?

Friend, I doubt very much you have a 'top education'.
Math is not no cannot ever be, plural
God has been with you since the day you were born. A smart person would of taken notice and not snubbed him.
We follow the Bible. We do not lie like so many false Christians do.

Next time, read the material (the Bible in this case) first so you can ask actual intelligent questions.

We all appreciate your prosecution. Did you know, people like you with all your hate, causes God to bless us even further?
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

1 Corinthians 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

[CaitlinH]

Re: Are you guys for real?

Friend, I doubt very much you have a 'top education'.
Math is not no cannot ever be, plural

I am from the UK and we call it Maths. I believe Americans called it Math, so that is where the confusion lies. You can doubt all you want but I got top grades in school, and I am at a good university.

I respect other peoples beliefs and life choices. I respect that everyone here has such devotion to their God and the Bible.
What I do not respect is your 'hatred' towards others that do not believe what you believe. If everybody respected other peoples religions and let them be, there would be a lot more peace in the world. In your eyes, you see me as 'unsaved' and that I will burn in Hell. Why can't you see that as my choice? I don't need saved because I don't believe Hell exists. And every other group that you believe will go to Hell, why can't you stop giving them hate and leave them be. If you do that and be respectful towards other, others will stop giving you hate.

All there quotes are not evidence of God existing. These quotes mean nothing to me.

[CaitlinH]

Re: Are you guys for real?

The "christians" you know do not follow the Bible, the whole Bible, to the letter like we do. They are cherry-picking salad-bar types who are neglecting their Eternal Salvation for a brief time of abandon.
Z. Smyth

I do get annoyed at some Christians who do cherry-pick their religion. It doesn't make sense to me.

I have no idea if they have gone against Scripture or not. I am currently reading bits of the Bible for my studies, and what I can gather from what I have read, the Bible talks about love and forgiveness. I like the Christians who are nice to others, and are accepting. That was what I was taught as a child, as my parents are Christian. They understand that I do not believe in God, and their only request was for me to be a good person and be respectful towards their beliefs. I do not need the rewards of Heaven to be a nice person in this life.

[CaitlinH]

Re: Are you guys for real?

Welcome Haitlin.
I am new myself, but what makes you use the word "hateful"?
"Love thy neighbour" is only one of many laws God gave us and I am pretty sure, he meant the love between christians. If you would take a look at the bible, you will see that God actually hates atheists, jews, muslims and all other kind of people who refuse to follow him. The act of a christian is not hateful, but obedient to the very word of Jesus Christ. It may sound hateful to you, because it doesn't fit into society nowadays, but many, many centuries ago this acting was completely common. People changed and left God more and more and society grew apart from what God wanted us to be. The bible says exactly how we have to live and that is all, no hate involved at all.

I use hateful because when I first visited this site, I came across dozens of forums of 'lists of people God hates' and 'reasons to hate these people'.
So you are pretty sure? Does the Bible say that we should only love people who believe in the same things as we do? Why does God hate these groups of people?
I believe that religions were made to explain what people could not understand. I understand why people believed in God in the past as there were so many phenomenons that seemed scary and were unexplained. However, the progress of science explains the world now and the evidence has gathered to show that religion goes against what has been proved.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Are you guys for real?

I do get annoyed at some Christians who do cherry-pick their religion. It doesn't make sense to me.

I have no idea if they have gone against Scripture or not. I am currently reading bits of the Bible for my studies, and what I can gather from what I have read, the Bible talks about love and forgiveness. I like the Christians who are nice to others, and are accepting. That was what I was taught as a child, as my parents are Christian. They understand that I do not believe in God, and their only request was for me to be a good person and be respectful towards their beliefs. I do not need the rewards of Heaven to be a nice person in this life.

So, your parents are OK with child molestors? Harold Shipman? Islamic terrorists?

Wow.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Are you guys for real?

I respect other peoples beliefs and life choices. I respect that everyone here has such devotion to their God and the Bible. If everybody respected other peoples religions and let them be,

And you you don't respect True Christians(tm) simply because it does not fit with your conception of 'it's nice to be nice'.

Hypocrite.

YIC

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Are you guys for real?

I have no idea if they have gone against Scripture or not. I am currently reading bits of the Bible for my studies, and what I can gather from what I have read, the Bible talks about love and forgiveness.

There's your problem. You have to read the whole thing and follow the whole thing except insofar as the New Testament explicitly says that an Old Testament law has been fulfilled. A text without a context is a pretext.

Yes, the Bible talks about love and forgiveness, but it talks about many other things as well. For one thing, love as defined in Scripture includes tough love:

Ezekiel 33:8-9: When I say unto the wicked, O wicked [man], thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Revelation 2:1-6: Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Also, the Bible does not teach an "I'm OK; you're OK" ethos:

Romans 1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Nor does it teach that we have to accept anyone who calls himself a Christian, regardless of his sins:

1 Cor. 5:11: But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

[CaitlinH]

Re: Are you guys for real?

So, your parents are OK with child molestors? Harold Shipman? Islamic terrorists?

Where did that come from? It is completely illogical- My parents taught me to be accepting of others and respectful, so that means I am ok with murder, terrorism and paedophilia? I am respectful of others peoples beliefs that are not harmful to others. I do not respect Muslims who want to launch another terrorist attack and I hope they will be jailed before they do harm, but that does not mean I don't respect all the other Muslims. Muslims are following their religion and believe it is right, and you are doing the same for your belief. Why can't you accept your differences and move on?

Plus the biggest profile of child molesters in Britain are priests who have sex with little boys. Does your Bible say anything about how it is ok for a man of God to do that to a child?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Are you guys for real?

Plus the biggest profile of child molesters in Britain are priests who have sex with little boys. Does your Bible say anything about how it is ok for a man of God to do that to a child?

Please do not confuse True Christians™ with Catholic or Anglican "priests." Catholicism and Anglicanism are false religions that pervert or simply ignore Scripture, and if their "priests" are men of God, I am the Emperor of Japan.

[CaitlinH]

Re: Are you guys for real?

And you you don't respect True Christians™ simply because it does not fit with your conception of 'it's nice to be nice'.

Hypocrite.

I do not respect 'True Christians' as they are disrespectful of others. I respect and like people who are nice to others and do no exclude or judge others because of their beliefs. I respect Christians who may believe that other religions are bad, but do not act upon their feelings or have a dignified and well-reasoned argument on the subject. I don't understand why you and your church can't just recognise <<<Egregious Spelling Error Fixed - Admin >>>> RECOGNIZE that other people choose to believe differently from you and respect it.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Are you guys for real?

My name is Caitlin and I have recently joined your website so I can find out more about religion for my studies. I am a student studying maths at the top university in my country, and I have always been interested in religion so it is part of my course. Please, have a guess in what I believe in! I'm sure you won't be surprised!

I like how you have labelled me as a teenage chav, despite me having a top education as well as a job and taking part in sport and charity events. You do not know the first thing about me, and you have labelled me as 'unsaved'. I find the whole lot of you ridiculous, ignorant and probably the most horrible people on the internet. The Christians I have met and spend time with are nice people who like to be nice to others, regardless of their beliefs, sexual orientation etc. To me, and I'm sure many others will agree, to be Christian is to be nice and to 'love thy neighbour'. You are all full of hate and I find you to be very much the opposite of Christian.

I look forward to finding out more about you and your church.

I find it incredible that you and your chav friends purport to know the first thing about Christianity, yet none of you seem to have read the parable of the Good Samaritan. If you had, you would know that Christ defines "neighbor" as "Good Samaritan". Therefore we are certainly not beholden to some false prophet who comes to our forum spewing lies about the Word of God, now are we?

Luke 10:25-37

King James Version (KJV)

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

If I had to guess what you believe in, I would say it is the concatenation of homosexuals.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Are you guys for real?

I do not respect 'True Christians' as they are disrespectful of others. I respect and like people who are nice to others and do no exclude or judge others because of their beliefs. I respect Christians who may believe that other religions are bad, but do not act upon their feelings or have a dignified and well-reasoned argument on the subject. I don't understand why you and your church can't just recognise that other people choose to believe differently from you and respect it.

What's that? You don't understand why we do things the way God tells us to do them, as opposed to the way you tell us to do them? Please tell me that that was meant as a joke.