[Didymus Much]

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Oop, you got me, I made a mistake...

That's how we learn things.

...And don't "NOW" me, mister!...

This isn't your forum. I pay lip service to abide by the rules and conditions laid out by the Pastors here. They tell me what I can and cannot do here, you don't.

...http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidenc...f_Jesus_Christ...

Um, yeah. Did you even read any of that? Let's just look at the first two lines there:

"Evidence for the historical existence of Jesus of Nazareth (the Christ) as portrayed in the Bible is only found in three places: the Bible itself, other early Christian writings, and references by the various early churches (c. 100CE) to the long dead leader of those churches. There are no contemporaneous sources outside of the early Christian community..."

Do you really expect any of "the Bible itself, other early Christian writings, and references by the various early churches" to be unbiased?

...Ugh, you're a troll...

It's "arrogant atheist dick", thank you. You wouldn't know a troll if it trolled you very trollingly.

...Making me waste my time learning shit.

Oh, my bad.

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

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Ugh, you're a troll. Making me waste my time looking up this shit.

When you make an assertion, it isn't trolling to ask you to back it up with evidence.

[ExGay Alex]

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On a side note; I believe it was the sheer fact that I attended a Catholic/Christian elementary school was what made me turn away from the religion in my teen years.

If I had been forced to perform oral love on a priest as a teen, I would have turned away from Christianity, too. God bless you and welcome back. We won't leave such a bad taste in your mouth.

Consider that God is divine and unhuman- so how is it that he can posses human emotion? Emotions are produced by the physical brain. So how can this be? I have always sincerely wondered this.

Now, this is a rather narrow view, don't you think? Dogs feel sadness, but they are not human. In other words, not to compare dogs to God, but the same emotion can be felt in more than one creature. And the fact that the brains of man produce emotion does not mean that only the brains of man produce emotion. My bicycle bell makes a ringing sound, but that sound can also come from other sources.

Science has made many valid points against religion, but it has also contributed to proving that a lot of the Bible was actually real. (Science proved that Jesus actually existed- Scientists and historians are the people to thank for any contributing proof to the Bible being historically accurate.)
Do you give Science any credit whatsoever? Do you think praying is enough to sustain life, or do you believe that we need aspects of Science to stay innovative and keep the population alive? (Sorry for the strong bias undertones there.)

Another logical fallacy. Since logic proves that some of the Bible might be true, then shouldn't we respect science? ALL of the Bible is true. To the extent it proves the truth of the divine word of God, then yes. In fact, when it all comes out, science and the Bible will prove to support each other. What I do NOT support is false scientific assumptions that contradict the truth of the Bible. Such as "the earth is millions of years old."

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Yes, like I said, it was the Catholic school system that drove me away from the whole thing altogether. I feel they advocate lies that they pull out from their asses. Granted, the messages they choose to teach young children in school are good lessons... Buy I cannot stand the fact that they all generally know so little about their religion and follow blindly. Most Catholics have no idea what is in the Bible they preach, and whether they would even agree with their unknown beliefs or not, they are advocating something that they do not understand.

While the Catholic institution is particularly bad, you'll find that you've accurately described the overwhelming majority of so-called Christians, except for the part about "good lessons." What's so good about teaching what are at best half-truths?

[SickSadWorld]

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That's how we learn things.



This isn't your forum. I pay lip service to abide by the rules and conditions laid out by the Pastors here. They tell me what I can and cannot do here, you don't.



Um, yeah. Did you even read any of that? Let's just look at the first two lines there:



Do you really expect any of "the Bible itself, other early Christian writings, and references by the various early churches" to be unbiased?



It's "arrogant atheist dick", thank you. You wouldn't know a troll if it trolled you very trollingly.



Oh, my bad.

Blah, blah, blah, I don't care who you are or who tells you what to do, at all.

I said the article was an interesting read. What do you want from me?

& Pft. I love to learn. Jump to conclusions because I don't feel like spending my day sitting here searching webpages for facts to prove myself to "arrogant atheist dick."

It's all in good fun though, right? Just relax. Don't take everything so seriously.

[SickSadWorld]

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While the Catholic institution is particularly bad, you'll find that you've accurately described the overwhelming majority of so-called Christians, except for the part about "good lessons." What's so good about teaching what are at best half-truths?

Yeah, you are most likely right. I really don't much know about other denominations.

But I sincerely believe if more Catholics, or Protestants, or Lutherans, or whatever little names they want to call themselves, really knew what their religion stood for... They would probably not follow it.

I only say this because nearly every Catholic person I know is all for tolerance and against discrimination. Little do they know, their religion advocates just the opposite.

On the note about "good lessons," I think they are taught to young children to keep the school environment safe for everyone. If a child is bullied for being, let's say homosexual, and the parents come to find that this is due to what they've been taught at school... The parents will most likely go after the school, and eventually even school board, for advocating violence.

It would be too much of a hassle for the politically correct world is the true Bible was taught to young children in the schools.

[SickSadWorld]

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If I had been forced to perform oral love on a priest as a teen, I would have turned away from Christianity, too. God bless you and welcome back. We won't leave such a bad taste in your mouth.



Now, this is a rather narrow view, don't you think? Dogs feel sadness, but they are not human. In other words, not to compare dogs to God, but the same emotion can be felt in more than one creature. And the fact that the brains of man produce emotion does not mean that only the brains of man produce emotion. My bicycle bell makes a ringing sound, but that sound can also come from other sources.




Another logical fallacy. Since logic proves that some of the Bible might be true, then shouldn't we respect science? ALL of the Bible is true. To the extent it proves the truth of the divine word of God, then yes. In fact, when it all comes out, science and the Bible will prove to support each other. What I do NOT support is false scientific assumptions that contradict the truth of the Bible. Such as "the earth is millions of years old."

HAHA, oh my goodness, I was never forced to do anything of that sort with anyone! See, that is a shallow stereotype. My elementary school did not have a priest, or even it's own church for that matter. We would take a bus ride to the town's church around Christmas time, lent, and Easter for masses. That was about it. Plus, every priest I've ever met was very nice. I will admit though that they do tend to smell like whiskey.

Yeah, about the emotion thing, I corrected myself earlier- humans and animals. I posted an article on it too, if you care to backtrack a little.

I don't know about that last one. I don't even really want to touch that one. The Earth is obviously older than...... No, no, no, I can't.

[Didymus Much]

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...I said the article was an interesting read. What do you want from me?...

Evidence for this claim:

...Science proved that Jesus actually existed...

Or acknowledgement that any assertion that Jesus existed has nothing to do with (or support from) science.

You know what the funny thing here is? The True Christians™ neither need nor want any evidence (aside from the Bible) that Jesus existed. They have faith, which is all that God wants from them. It's only those who are weak in their faith that need "proof".

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Hello Landover Baptists- I'm really not here to troll

Well that didn't last long.

i) Consider that God is divine and unhuman- so how is it that he can posses human emotion? Emotions are produced by the physical brain. So how can this be? I have always sincerely wondered this.

You've already answered this. God is Divine.

ii) Science proved that Jesus actually existed- Scientists and historians are the people to thank for any contributing proof to the Bible being historically accurate.

Was a pair of sandals stamped with the inscription, "This Belongs To Jesus Christ, Lamb Of God" found in a cave or something? Do you really think the LORD would give us the gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8) if all He intended to do was to give us physical evidence?

Oh no, the LORD is much bigger than that!

He knows science is constantly changing its mind. Scientists are flawed, fallible humans with their own biases and agendas. That's why Salvation requires belief, so no one can trick another or make a mistake, but most importantly, so no one boast (Ephesians 2:9).

[BelieverInGod]

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Blah, blah, blah, I don't care who you are or who tells you what to do, at all.

I said the article was an interesting read. What do you want from me?

& Pft. I love to learn. Jump to conclusions because I don't feel like spending my day sitting here searching webpages for facts to prove myself to "arrogant atheist dick."

It's all in good fun though, right? Just relax. Don't take everything so seriously.

Didymis has been around for years. He's sort of our pet atheist. Nice guy, knows his Bible, I'm not sure why he wont turn his life over to Jesus, but I'm sure one day

You on the other hand, we don't know. However, you do seem to be proving that the 'nice Christian girl' routine was a joke and you're nothing more than the basic /b/ troll that we get here daily.

It doesn't take long for our Holy Forum to bring the Demons to their boiling point.

[SickSadWorld]

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Evidence for this claim:



Or acknowledgement that any assertion that Jesus existed has nothing to do with (or support from) science.

You know what the funny thing here is? The True Christians™ neither need nor want any evidence (aside from the Bible) that Jesus existed. They have faith, which is all that God wants from them. It's only those who are weak in their faith that need "proof".

Well I attempted a good search for evidence and it up inconclusive. With that said, I admit that science had nothing to do with proving the existence of Jesus. Sorry for the few people who got a little excited there.

Yeah, it is sad but you are right. Barely anyone has touched that subject in their comments... Everyone seems to be focusing on bashing my Catholic school experience.

[Alphonse Alban]

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my Catholic school experience.

Oh dear, I am so sorry to hear that. It must have been awful to be in a school with only heathens around.

[SickSadWorld]

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Didymis has been around for years. He's sort of our pet atheist. Nice guy, knows his Bible, I'm not sure why he wont turn his life over to Jesus, but I'm sure one day

You on the other hand, we don't know. However, you do seem to be proving that the 'nice Christian girl' routine was a joke and you're nothing more than the basic /b/ troll that we get here daily.

It doesn't take long for our Holy Forum to bring the Demons to their boiling point.

"Pet atheist" haha I want one.

I never said I was a nice Christian girl, don't put words in my mouth. I said I went to Catholic elementary school, it drove me away from religion, and I am here to attempt to understand what real Christians are about. Am I going to express my opinion in the meantime? Yes. Am I doing it in a troll like fashion? I don't believe so.

And really, I don't care about the seniority of people on a church forum website, it's the freaking Internet. This is not an elitist circle here, this is people sharing thoughts and scripture.

[Nobar King]

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And really, I don't care about the seniority of people on a church forum website, it's the freaking Internet. This is not an elitist circle here, this is people sharing thoughts and scripture.

Someone needs to be in charge of this forum so that it doesn't turn into the same kind of chaos that controls the internets. Can you imagine what would happen if this place was run by a bunch of atheists who got hired because they knew how to program vBulletin?

[BelieverInGod]

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"Pet atheist" haha I want one.

I never said I was a nice Christian girl, don't put words in my mouth. I said I went to Catholic elementary school, it drove me away from religion, and I am here to attempt to understand what real Christians are about. Am I going to express my opinion in the meantime? Yes. Am I doing it in a troll like fashion? I don't believe so.

And really, I don't care about the seniority of people on a church forum website, it's the freaking Internet. This is not an elitist circle here, this is people sharing thoughts and scripture.

Does someone have the standard "although the internet may seem free" speech?

Ah, I'll go look for it

In the mean time, you may want to read the "Noobs" please read this before posting. thread.