New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

[SavedForEternity]

Hi all,

I stumbled across your forum, and found the direct and literal approach to Christianity and the Bible a refreshing change from the pussy-footed approach practised by the majority of modern Christians.

My own situation is a little complex. I have confessed Christ as my Saviour, however in recent years I have turned my back on my faith. However, as stated in 1 Peter 1:4-5 (and in other verses), my place in Heaven is forever secure. I'm not entirely sure how this works, with faith being a major requirement for salvation. However the most logical and literal solution to this conundrum is that I will once again regain my faith sometime before I die. I would appreciate any comments from someone wiser than me on this, as I really don't want to go to Hell.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

Hi all,

I stumbled across your forum, and found the direct and literal approach to Christianity and the Bible a refreshing change from the pussy-footed approach practised by the majority of modern Christians.

My own situation is a little complex. I have confessed Christ as my Saviour, however in recent years I have turned my back on my faith. However, as stated in 1 Peter 1:4-5 (and in other verses), my place in Heaven is forever secure. I'm not entirely sure how this works, with faith being a major requirement for salvation. However the most logical and literal solution to this conundrum is that I will once again regain my faith sometime before I die. I would appreciate any comments from someone wiser than me on this, as I really don't want to go to Hell.

You obviously never meant to dedicate your life to Christ when you supposedly accepted Christ as your saviour: you did not really repent: you lied to best guy ever to walk the Earth (Jesus).

Happy now?

You lied to Jesus (who died for YOUR sins). Just think about the enormity of what you have done.

People like you who think the temporary sacrifice of The Lord was for nothing and lie to Him may as well be spurting long streams of white hot golden urinal fluid into Jesus' crying face make me sick, you disgust me in the worst possible term: you are going to Hell when you die!

Words fall me in my pericombobulations on reading this heathen filth: you should be ashamed: shame on you!

All the best, YIC.

[Holly Graham]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

"Non-believing Christian?"

I will pray for a speedy recovery from you obvious brain injury. If you pray, too, Our Sweet Savior will heal you! (Exodus 23:25)

[James Hutchins]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

Friend, you did not nor could you 'stumble upon our forum'. God brought you to us.

Why must you plug your fingers in your ears when Jesus whispers?

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

Hi all,

I stumbled across your forum, and found the direct and literal approach to Christianity and the Bible a refreshing change from the pussy-footed approach practised by the majority of modern Christians.

My own situation is a little complex. I have confessed Christ as my Saviour, however in recent years I have turned my back on my faith. However, as stated in 1 Peter 1:4-5 (and in other verses), my place in Heaven is forever secure. I'm not entirely sure how this works, with faith being a major requirement for salvation. However the most logical and literal solution to this conundrum is that I will once again regain my faith sometime before I die. I would appreciate any comments from someone wiser than me on this, as I really don't want to go to Hell.

Hello,

Let me begin by firth thanking you for your compliments. We strive to be Christians made perfect in Jesus (Hebrews 10:14). We rejoice that you recognize that we are not like the many false Christians who cherry-pick which parts of the Bible we will follow.

Moving on, your "salvation" is questionable at best, but the Bible teaches that the doctrine of once-saved-always-saved is patently false...

Luke 9:62: "And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

Hebrews 6:4-6: "For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame."

Ezekiel 3:20: "Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand."

Many thousands of passages refute this. Your usage of I Peter 1:4-5 is flawed in that Peter was speaking of the promise on God's end "through faith" being upheld. No more faith, no more promise!

Hoping for your repentance,

Pastor Ed

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

Why must you plug your fingers in your ears when Jesus whispers

No doubt it is so they can plug their most unholiest of holes with the turgid member of the predatory homersexualist

Why must the wolf in sheep's clothing always make veiled allusions to anality?

It's not funny or clever to think of the anal torture of young, firm thighed young youths on the brink of manhood with their masculinity still clothed in supple puppy fat of youth.

Disgusting.

YIC

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

Hi all,

I stumbled across your forum, and found the direct and literal approach to Christianity and the Bible a refreshing change from the pussy-footed approach practised by the majority of modern Christians.

My own situation is a little complex. I have confessed Christ as my Saviour, however in recent years I have turned my back on my faith. However, as stated in 1 Peter 1:4-5 (and in other verses), my place in Heaven is forever secure. I'm not entirely sure how this works, with faith being a major requirement for salvation. However the most logical and literal solution to this conundrum is that I will once again regain my faith sometime before I die. I would appreciate any comments from someone wiser than me on this, as I really don't want to go to Hell.

There is no such thing as a "non-believing Christian." Christians believe. That's the whole point of being a Christian. What you are is an atheistic blockhead.

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[SavedForEternity]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

You obviously never meant to dedicate your life to Christ when you supposedly accepted Christ as your saviour: you did not really repent: you lied to best guy ever to walk the Earth (Jesus).

With all due respect, who are you to judge the validity of my Salvation? We all know what happens to such people (Matt. 7:1). I know it was real, I was there. I felt God fill me with His Holy Spirit. (Eph. 1:13-14). If you don't already know these verses, maybe you should look them up before replying.

"Non-believing Christian?"

I will pray for a speedy recovery from you obvious brain injury. If you pray, too, Our Sweet Savior will heal you! (Exodus 23:25)

Thank you for your concern. From what I have read, it seems that someone stuck in my situation certainly needs some prayer.

Hello,

Let me begin by firth thanking you for your compliments. We strive to be Christians made perfect in Jesus (Hebrews 10:14). We rejoice that you recognize that we are not like the many false Christians who cherry-pick which parts of the Bible we will follow.

Moving on, your "salvation" is questionable at best, but the Bible teaches that the doctrine of once-saved-always-saved is patently false...

Luke 9:62: "And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

Hebrews 6:4-6: "For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame."

Ezekiel 3:20: "Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand."

Many thousands of passages refute this. Your usage of I Peter 1:4-5 is flawed in that Peter was speaking of the promise on God's end "through faith" being upheld. No more faith, no more promise!

Hoping for your repentance,

Pastor Ed

Thank you for your deep and considered response. In fact, it has made me dust off my KJV for the first time in years.

My use of 1 Peter 1:4-5 is entirely valid. Verse 4 states that I have an incorruptible inheritance in heaven. Verse 5 does indeed state that "their" (referring the book's writer and its recipients, presumably extensible to all Christians) Salvation is maintained by faith, but I still have my incorruptible inheritance. Sounds alright. I probably won't have the full works, but it's gotta be better than Hell. It would also follow that any Christian who has lost or doubted their faith for any length of time would also find themselves in the same position. I can only presume that many of them aren't aware just how narrow the path they walk is, as I'm sure knowledge of this fact would make it even harder to maintain.

I'm not sure your first quote from Luke 9 is relevant, as we are not talking about farming.

Hebrews 6:6 says that once fallen, I cannot repent again. However, I have already repented once. It is only faith I have lost.

Ezekiel 3:20 gave me some trouble. I suppose if God has decided that I am destined for Hell, there is not much I can do. I can only hope that He hasn't purposely put a stumblingblock in front of me, otherwise I am OK as only two of the three requirements in the verse will have been fulfilled. Unfortunately, it seems that any church elders who haven't tried to turn me back are in trouble too. I hope that the concern already shown in this thread was genuine, and not to avoid this fate. I also hope He will hold His promise in Romans 10:13, (if and) when I call upon His name.

John 10:27-29 plainly states that once Jesus has given eternal life, it is not possible to die.

Once again, I thank you for the support shown. It is a source of worry to me, I really don't want to go to Hell. It sounds like a horrible place. No wonder so many convert to Christianity.

[Brother Helge]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

We all know what happens to such people (Matt. 7:1).

Oh... The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible again...

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

My use of 1 Peter 1:4-5 is entirely valid.

So you were dishonest? You stated you came here as an unbeliever, which would mean it doesn't matter what is written in the Scriptures. But you do care, which means you've been dishonest and you are a fluffy bunny Christian who believes in once-saved-always-saved who came here looking to fight. You've been dishonest either way then. Thanks a lot.

Verse 4 states that I have an incorruptible inheritance in heaven. Verse 5 does indeed state that "their" (referring the book's writer and its recipients, presumably extensible to all Christians) Salvation is maintained by faith, but I still have my incorruptible inheritance. Sounds alright. I probably won't have the full works, but it's gotta be better than Hell. It would also follow that any Christian who has lost or doubted their faith for any length of time would also find themselves in the same position. I can only presume that many of them aren't aware just how narrow the path they walk is, as I'm sure knowledge of this fact would make it even harder to maintain.

The inheritance is incorruptible -- it cannot disppear or be taken away. But you can reject it. "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." (Hebrews 10:38)

I'm not sure your first quote from Luke 9 is relevant, as we are not talking about farming.

Jesus spoke in parables. If you think he was talking about farming, you are hopelessly retarded. The verse ends with: "is fit for the Kingdom of God."

Hebrews 6:6 says that once fallen, I cannot repent again. However, I have already repented once. It is only faith I have lost.

But it addresses the issue of falling away for those who WILL NOT repent--that it is possible to fall away.

Without faith, it is impossible to please God. (see Hebrews 11:6)

You reason like a child with mongolism.

Ezekiel 3:20 gave me some trouble. I suppose if God has decided that I am destined for Hell, there is not much I can do. I can only hope that He hasn't purposely put a stumblingblock in front of me, otherwise I am OK as only two of the three requirements in the verse will have been fulfilled. Unfortunately, it seems that any church elders who haven't tried to turn me back are in trouble too. I hope that the concern already shown in this thread was genuine, and not to avoid this fate. I also hope He will hold His promise in Romans 10:13, (if and) when I call upon His name.

We are trying to turn you back now, but these are yet more verses (among the many thousands in the Bible) that show one can fall out of God's good graces. But maybe you are destined for Hell. You seem like you'd make a stupid Christian. Maybe we're better without you?

Once again, I thank you for the support shown. It is a source of worry to me, I really don't want to go to Hell. It sounds like a horrible place. No wonder so many convert to Christianity.

Support? Hah! Turn or burn!

Luke: 13:3: "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

Pastor Ed

[SavedForEternity]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

Oh... The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible again...

I stand corrected. However, my original point remains.

Also, Brother Helge, seeing your signature reminded me that I should have included my favourite Bible verse in my first post. As it happens, this verse remains my favourite (John 8:32).

[SavedForEternity]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

So you were dishonest? You stated you came here as an unbeliever, which would mean it doesn't matter what is written in the Scriptures. But you do care, which means you've been dishonest and you are a fluffy bunny Christian who believes in once-saved-always-saved who came here looking to fight. You've been dishonest either way then. Thanks a lot.

Not at all. If something is true, then it is true whether I believe it or not.

The inheritance is incorruptible -- it cannot disppear or be taken away. But you can reject it. "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." (Hebrews 10:38)

That verse doesn't say that anything about losing my inheritance (even when placed in context). It just says that God is pretty pissed about it.

Jesus spoke in parables. If you think he was talking about farming, you are hopelessly retarded. The verse ends with: "is fit for the Kingdom of God."

While I am uncomfortable disagreeing with such an experienced Church leader, I have to point out that nowhere in this passage does it say that Jesus is speaking in parables. Unless otherwise indicated, I understand that the Bible is to be taken literally. If I were a farmer, I would make sure of my dedication to the cause.

But it addresses the issue of falling away for those who WILL NOT repent--that it is possible to fall away.

Then it isn't relevant in my case.

Without faith, it is impossible to please God. (see Hebrews 11:6)

That's just re-iterating that God is pretty pissed with me, but I can live with that.

[Cranky Old Man]

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That verse doesn't say that anything about losing my inheritance (even when placed in context). It just says that God is pretty pissed about it.

You cannot pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to use. All of the Bible, 100% of it, is relevant and true. No exceptions!

And we all know what you really are. A lying Atheist who likes licking his keyboard after masturbating all over it again and again while watching video clips of cats.

[SavedForEternity]

Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

You cannot pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to use. All of the Bible, 100% of it, is relevant and true. No exceptions!

Calm down, old man. You should notice that I have done nothing but take the Bible at face value.

And we all know what you really are. A lying Atheist who likes licking his keyboard after masturbating all over it again and again while watching video clips of cats.

Not sure why you are making vile, baseless accusations, but I do my best to tell the truth.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Hi. Welcome to the forum. Ephesians is a great book especially when read in conjunction with Hebrews.

I have confessed Christ as my Saviour, however in recent years I have turned my back on my faith.

and in a later post
I felt God fill me with His Holy Spirit.

How do you know it was God? How do you know it was The Holy Spirit? Why could it not have been Quetzalcoatl? or Ganesh?

Ephesians 1
13–14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

But it doesn't stop there and reading on we draw nearer to the plight you are confronted with, the matter you are here to resolve:

15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
KJV .. EPHESIANS 1

In your second post you compare and contrast faith with repentance. Here is the quote, followed by the passage from Hebrews in context:

Hebrews 6:6 says that once fallen, I cannot repent again. However, I have already repented once. It is only faith I have lost.

Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
KJV

So there are a few points there. In Hebrews then we have the description of one once enlightened. First you need to decide how you would distinguish between actual enlightenment and the sort of counterfeit experience such as announced by new age gurus and their followers, bearing in mind that many of them say it is the same as the "Jesus experience" whatever they mean by that (and also bearing in mind that many of them say it is not and that many false pastors make similar syncretistic statements).

Next there is your attempt to get around the Hebrews 6:6 passage by saying that you have not fallen away from repentance but from faith. OK. But you not only quoted Hebrews; Ephesians 1:13-14 is in the mix too. You must be aware how these two passages fit together because a) you have quoted them together and b) from the thread title:

New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian

Now lets have a look at Ephesians again. As I mentioned it doesn't stop at verse 14. The passage is addressed in the 2nd person UNTIL VERSE 19 when it switches to the 1st person plural: Us. And not just any old us..

the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe according to the working of his mighty power

It would appear then that it is not faith to have fallen away but belief. Why did you believe it was God (and not Ganesh), Jesus (rather than Quetzalcoatl)?

Reading Ephesians with Hebrews is a good idea, and if you continue on rather than pulling up short, a cunning stunt originated by satan but one which will not work here PRAISE JESUS! you will find that the promise you do not believe sits very well with the likely outcome described by God as follows:

EPHESIANS 1:18-19 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power..
HEBREWS 6:7-8 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. KJV

When taken all together the Scripture you used to introduce yourself, read in its proper context, turns out to have been a better choice that you had intended. But grim though such an outlook may be, God still understands the situation of those whom He has predestined for Salvation. Hebrews continues here

EPHESIANS 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will KJV