[islamic in need]

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There are three forms of God: his heavenly form (God), his earthly form (Jesus) and The Holy Spirit.
Jesus and God are the same, execpt Jesus is God's earthly form, Jesus is saying that his heavenly form is greater than his earthly form.
YIC
Mary Thompson.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
the same?

[islamic in need]

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Leviticus 20:21 is talking about having an affair with your sister-in-law while your brother is still alive. Deuteronomy 25:5 says a man must marry his brother's wife if his brother dies childless. Try again.

No...it does not say anything about an 'affair' with your sister-in-law

[Pim Pendergast]

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the same?

Yes.

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mary's explanation, although not found in the Bible, is a popular one and certainly can't be proven wrong.

[islamic in need]

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Yes.

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mary's explanation, although not found in the Bible, is a popular one and certainly can't be proven wrong.

If it's not in the bible...then as your own teachings preach... it is not the word of god!..correct?

[Pim Pendergast]

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At first I was thinking about Leviticus 18:16. But there is a logical explanation.

Lev 20:21 And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.

Deut 25:5-6 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

We know that the verse in Leviticus is not an all-out prohibition on marrying your sister-in-law because the verse in Deuteronomy tells us there is an exception to this rule. Often in the Bible we find that God makes a general statement earlier on and then clarifies it later on in another book. So we know that Leviticus 20:21 is not referring to those who marry their brother's wives if their brother dies childless. Those who marry their brother's wives will be childless (Lev 20:21), unless they have married them to have children on their brother's behalf (Deut 25:5-6).

[islamic in need]

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Lev 20:21 And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.

Deut 25:5-6 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

We know that the verse in Leviticus is not an all-out prohibition on marrying your sister-in-law because the verse in Deuteronomy tells us there is an exception to this rule. Often in the Bible we find that God makes a general statement earlier on and then clarifies it later on in another book. So we know that Leviticus 20:21 is not referring to those who marry their brother's wives if their brother dies childless. Those who marry their brother's wives will be childless (Lev 20:21), unless they have married them to have children on their brother's behalf (Deut 25:5-6).

exception to the rule?
sounds more like a contradiction..
please expand on this as its hard to get my head around these 'teachings'

[Pim Pendergast]

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exception to the rule?
sounds more like a contradiction..
please expand on this as its hard to get my head around these 'teachings'

As a "muslim" you are no doubt familiar with abrogation: If a later verse in the koran contradicts an earlier one, it abrogates it. But there are no contradictions in the Bible, so if a later verse says something different from an earlier one, it might clarify or amplify the earlier verse, or in some cases supersede it (for example, the commandments relating to ritual sacrifice have been fulfilled by Jesus). If God makes an exception to His rule, He is entitled to do so, because He made the rule in the first place. If He later wishes to clarify what He meant earlier, He is entitled to do so without question.

[islamic in need]

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As a "muslim" you are no doubt familiar with abrogation: If a later verse in the koran contradicts an earlier one, it abrogates it. But there are no contradictions in the Bible, so if a later verse says something different from an earlier one, it might clarify or amplify the earlier verse, or in some cases supersede it (for example, the commandments relating to ritual sacrifice have been fulfilled by Jesus). If God makes an exception to His rule, He is entitled to do so, because He made the rule in the first place. If He later wishes to clarify what He meant earlier, He is entitled to do so without question.

Abrogate?...really do you need to try to further confuse me?
I have renounced islam...that has been abuntantly clear in my posts.
And i didnt see a biblical quotation there, just your interepretation.
So are you saying all bible quotations are null and void after the next one that contradicts it?
Or ...are you really a nonsensical fundamentalist that has not grasp of 'free thinking'?

[islamic in need]

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As a "muslim" you are no doubt familiar with abrogation: If a later verse in the koran contradicts an earlier one, it abrogates it. But there are no contradictions in the Bible, so if a later verse says something different from an earlier one, it might clarify or amplify the earlier verse, or in some cases supersede it (for example, the commandments relating to ritual sacrifice have been fulfilled by Jesus). If God makes an exception to His rule, He is entitled to do so, because He made the rule in the first place. If He later wishes to clarify what He meant earlier, He is entitled to do so without question.

Abrogate?...really do you need to try to further confuse me?
I have renounced islam...that has been abundantly clear in my posts.
And i didnt see a biblical quotation there, just your interepretation.
So are you saying all bible quotations are null and void after the next one that contradicts it?
Or ...are you really a nonsensical fundamentalist that has no grasp of 'free thinking'?

[islamic in need]

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As a "muslim" you are no doubt familiar with abrogation: If a later verse in the koran contradicts an earlier one, it abrogates it. But there are no contradictions in the Bible, so if a later verse says something different from an earlier one, it might clarify or amplify the earlier verse, or in some cases supersede it (for example, the commandments relating to ritual sacrifice have been fulfilled by Jesus). If God makes an exception to His rule, He is entitled to do so, because He made the rule in the first place. If He later wishes to clarify what He meant earlier, He is entitled to do so without question.

Can u explain me this....
Science has proven that gravity and movement governs time.
and from Einsteins theory, which has never been challenged by any scientist of any merit, has proven that there was no time before the singularity (the big bang). This is proven by the discovery of black holes.
Now time does not exist before this.
Please explain how god existed before this and how 'HE' was made.
(i deliberately did not capitalise 'god'..so another 'infraction'?

[Mary Thompson]

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Can u explain me this....
Science has proven that gravity and movement governs time.
and from Einsteins theory, which has never been challenged by any scientist of any merit, has proven that there was no time before the singularity (the big bang). This is proven by the discovery of black holes.
Now time does not exist before this.
Please explain how god existed before this and how 'HE' was made.
(i deliberately did not capitalise 'god'..so another 'infraction'?

And here I was thinking you wanted to become a Christian...
You cannot believe in Evilution, The Big Bang and Gravity and still expect to end up in heaven .
And how dare you delibaratly show such open disrespect for the Lord!
Genesis 1:1! Now Big Bang, No Gravity, No evilution, God created heaven and Earth and that's that.

[Pim Pendergast]

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Abrogate?...really do you need to try to further confuse me?
I have renounced islam...that has been abundantly clear in my posts.
And i didnt see a biblical quotation there, just your interepretation.
So are you saying all bible quotations are null and void after the next one that contradicts it?
Or ...are you really a nonsensical fundamentalist that has no grasp of 'free thinking'?

Hebrews 10:1-18 tells us how Jesus' temporary sacrifice has nullified the need for the yearly sacrifices prescribed in the Old Testament. So it isn't a contradiction when Leviticus 16 says to offer sacrifices once a year and Hebrews 10 says we don't need to anymore, because Jesus' temporary sacrifice was enough for God.

In Deuteronomy 24:1-4, the Bible says that if a man wants to divorce his wife, all he has to do is write her a bill of divorcement. Jesus later explains to us that Moses gave this law because people's hearts were hard. Whoever divorces his wife and remarries is guilty of adultery (Mk 10:11).

Mk 10:2-12
2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Verse 11 is amplified in Matthew, where we find that whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than fornication and remarries is guilty of adultery.

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

These are just a few examples of non-contradictory passages.

[islamic in need]

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And here I was thinking you wanted to become a Christian...
You cannot believe in Evilution, The Big Bang and Gravity and still expect to end up in heaven .
And how dare you delibaratly show such open disrespect for the Lord!
Genesis 1:1! Now Big Bang, No Gravity, No evilution, God created heaven and Earth and that's that.

Oh come on....the church now says there's no 'limbo' or no 'hell'..its a 'state of mind' apparently.
You 'see yourself' after you die and the guilt gets to you...
Them catholics can tone down their teachings to suit modern times it seems.
haha. but landover dont right?

[Mary Thompson]

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Oh come on....the church now says there's no 'limbo' or no 'hell'..its a 'state of mind' apparently.
You 'see yourself' after you die and the guilt gets to you...
Them catholics can tone down their teachings to suit modern times it seems.
haha. but landover dont right?

I'm sorry, I don't understand what your saying, could you please speak English and use proper grammar and punctuation, thank you and to let you know, I'll be praying tonight for you.

[islamic in need]

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Hebrews 10:1-18 tells us how Jesus' temporary sacrifice has nullified the need for the yearly sacrifices prescribed in the Old Testament. So it isn't a contradiction when Leviticus 16 says to offer sacrifices once a year and Hebrews 10 says we don't need to anymore, because Jesus' temporary sacrifice was enough for God.

In Deuteronomy 24:1-4, the Bible says that if a man wants to divorce his wife, all he has to do is write her a bill of divorcement. Jesus later explains to us that Moses gave this law because people's hearts were hard. Whoever divorces his wife and remarries is guilty of adultery (Mk 10:11).

Mk 10:2-12
2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Verse 11 is amplified in Matthew, where we find that whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than fornication and remarries is guilty of adultery.

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

These are just a few examples of non-contradictory passages.

Genesis6:19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.
Answers In Genesis posits that Noah gathered "kinds" of animals and not all "species," an estimated 16,000 pairs, which raises a few animal-related questions:

• How, exactly, did eight extreme senior citizens load, manage and care for 32,000 animals?
• What about specialized diets (bamboo for the giant panda, meat for the carnivores, fresh vegetation for the herbivores)?
• Who cleaned each stall and shoveled the tons of daily excrement through the huge ark’s single window?
• How did they separate the predator and prey animals? Did the lion lay with the lamb?
• How do you explain the acquisition and loading of animals not indigenous to the Middle East (many separated by oceans), like the polar bear, the sloth, the crocodile, the fruit bat, the anaconda, etc? And how did the penguins and other cold-climate creatures survive in the blistering desert heat?
• Wouldn’t freshwater rains from the sky have made the saltwater deadly to ocean marine life? And wouldn’t saltwater have proven equally toxic to all freshwater fish? If water boiled up from beneath the earth’s crust, wouldn’t water temperature changes in the delicate ecosystem have also had a deadly effect?
• Dinosaurs on the ark. Did they exit the boat and THEN get hit by a comet?

chew on that!....fellow aussie