Believeing one has the whole truth, keeps them from gaining the whole truth

[Martenas]

I will start slow here, for it is not my intent to blast anyone. I only wish to highlight some areas of thought that might go against what you currently believe. For I have been taught that to believe that one has all of the truth, means that they are unwilling to look at anything else. For why would they, they have all of the truth.

Yet scripture is so loaded with different possible definitions, that one should examine all of the different possibilities to verify that indeed they do possess the truth. All doctrines must be challenged, and if a doctrine is true, it shall be shown as true still. But if a doctrine is false, only by examining it will we ever discover the fallacy of it. I do believe that scripture tells us to listen to what is being said, and then go to scripture to verify if there is truth in it. This is all I will ask at this time. Beside, does not scripture tell us that we are all being deceived? (Rev 12:9)

But I will also ask one to think about the possibility that the spirit of God will talk to individuals about scripture, that God will teach some of his people directly, giving them the true definition of scripture apart from what is being taught within the denominational church system (DCS).

I will do my best to go into detail with what I will explain. For it is not my intent to change your belief system, but to just have you understand my point of view. For when one sees something form another side, then they may place this new understanding before our Father in prayer to see if there is any truth in it. Do not believe what I will teach you, just understand it.

Am I perfect? Heavens no, for I am still carnal, sold into sin. But I do believe that the spirit of God has taught me many things which are the truth. My studies have been going on for about 10 years now. I used to belong to a Evangelical Free Church, but then I was called out of it to learn on my own. Now I have read where your pastor believes that we must all attend a denominational church. I must respectfully disagree with him on this point. Now is not the time for me to get into this subject, but in time I will show you why I believe so. It is scripturally based.

My knowledge and understandings will not just be about scripture, for I will discuss any and all aspects of God’s creation. I have found that even science ties into scripture, for science is not the study of NEW things, it is the discovery of things which God had already created, but that man was blinded to.

What I will share with you is a whole new way of looking at scripture and God’s creation. For as the Passover age brought forth the law with Moses (a new understanding), and as the Pentecost age (church age) brought forth the knowledge of a savior and salvation through faith (a new understanding), so we are now coming into the Tabernacles age. The Tabernacles age (1000 years of Christ rule) brings forth a new understanding of all that we thought we previously knew. For at the close of this age, new revelations are coming forth that the world does not know, because until know, the spirit has kept it hidden.

Blessings

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

Re: Believeing one has the whole truth, keeps them from gaining the whole truth

I will start slow here, for it is not my intent to blast anyone. I only wish to highlight some areas of thought that might go against what you currently believe. For I have been taught that to believe that one has all of the truth, means that they are unwilling to look at anything else. For why would they, they have all of the truth.

Yet scripture is so loaded with different possible definitions, that one should examine all of the different possibilities to verify that indeed they do possess the truth. All doctrines must be challenged, and if a doctrine is true, it shall be shown as true still. But if a doctrine is false, only by examining it will we ever discover the fallacy of it. I do believe that scripture tells us to listen to what is being said, and then go to scripture to verify if there is truth in it. This is all I will ask at this time. Beside, does not scripture tell us that we are all being deceived? (Rev 12:9)U

But I will also ask one to think about the possibility that the spirit of God will talk to individuals about scripture, that God will teach some of his people directly, giving them the true definition of scripture apart from what is being taught within the denominational church system (DCS).

I will do my best to go into detail with what I will explain. For it is not my intent to change your belief system, but to just have you understand my point of view. For when one sees something form another side, then they may place this new understanding before our Father in prayer to see if there is any truth in it. Do not believe what I will teach you, just understand it.

Am I perfect? Heavens no, for I am still carnal, sold into sin. But I do believe that the spirit of God has taught me many things which are the truth. My studies have been going on for about 10 years now. I used to belong to a Evangelical Free Church, but then I was called out of it to learn on my own. Now I have read where your pastor believes that we must all attend a denominational church. I must respectfully disagree with him on this point. Now is not the time for me to get into this subject, but in time I will show you why I Ibelieve so. It is scripturally based.

My knowledge and understandings will not just be about scripture, for I will discuss any and all aspects of God’s creation. I have found that even science ties into scripture, for science is not the study of NEW things, it is the discovery of things which God had already created, but that man was blinded to.

What I will share with you is a whole new way of looking at scripture and God’s creation. For as the Passover age brought forth the law with Moses (a new understanding), and as the Pentecost age (church age) brought forth the knowledge of a savior and salvation through faith (a new understanding), so we are now coming into the Tabernacles age. The Tabernacles age (1000 years of Christ rule) brings forth a new understanding of all that we thought we previously knew. For at the close of this age, new revelations are coming forth that the world does not know, because until know, the spirit has kept it hidden.
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Blessings

That was much ado about nothing, friend. From the last paragraph you wrote I gather you are a dispensationalist. That is not a new thing... Everything else you said - well, you did not really say anything. Sad... In the mean time, 2 Timothy 3:16 still holds true.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Believeing one has the whole truth, keeps them from gaining the whole truth

I will start slow here, for it is not my intent to blast anyone. I only wish to highlight some areas of thought that might go against what you currently believe.

Hello and welcome to our friendly forums.

For I have been taught that to believe that one has all of the truth, means that they are unwilling to look at anything else. For why would they, they have all of the truth.

Interesting concept. Sadly, people will teach their students this because they want them to accept constantly changing ideas. The problem is, these new ideas are not in conformity with the God's Truth. The are in conformity with one's own desires, even deeply seated desires that are difficult, if not impossible, to identify. If one has been encouraged to believe a change in interpretation is good, noble even, then one can be manipulated. This, my friend, is what wolves do, not shepherds.

Yet scripture is so loaded with different possible definitions, that one should examine all of the different possibilities to verify that indeed they do possess the truth. All doctrines must be challenged, and if a doctrine is true, it shall be shown as true still. But if a doctrine is false, only by examining it will we ever discover the fallacy of it. I do believe that scripture tells us to listen to what is being said, and then go to scripture to verify if there is truth in it. This is all I will ask at this time.

Why do you think we have not done this? Why do you assume we have not seen evidence of these doctrines to confirm their Truth?

Beside, does not scripture tell us that we are all being deceived? (Rev 12:9)

This verse refers to Satan, who "deceiveth the whole world." You seem to be forgetting that one who has been Born Again cannot be deceived because the "wicked one toucheth him not." (1st John 5:18)

For it is not my intent to change your belief system, but to just have you understand my point of view.
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For when one sees something form another side, then they may place this new understanding before our Father in prayer to see if there is any truth in it.

Ah, so you do intend to change my belief. Did you think I wouldn't notice?

Am I perfect? Heavens no, for I am still carnal, sold into sin.

Then this ought to alert you to the ineffectiveness of your theology. A person who has been truly Born Again is no longer sold into sin. A person who has been truly Born Again has been bought at a price (1st Corinthians 6:20). A person who has been truly Born Again cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1st John 3:9) Clearly youu have not been Born Again, so your theology is unsound.

But I do believe that the spirit of God has taught me many things which are the truth. My studies have been going on for about 10 years now. I used to belong to a Evangelical Free Church, but then I was called out of it to learn on my own.

Well thank goodness you were called out of that terrible abomination of a church. I'm afraid your ten years of study have been in vain. You are no closer to the Truth© than when you left. The fact that your theology and beliefs evolve should have been your first clue.

What I will share with you is a whole new way of looking at scripture and God’s creation.

I prefer the Holy Spirit's way of looking at Scripture and God's Creation, thank you. It has a track record of 100% success. Yours, on the other hand, is admittedly faulty. I suggest you read a bit more here before trying to persuade people to follow you.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Believeing one has the whole truth, keeps them from gaining the whole truth

I will start slow here, for it is not my intent to blast anyone. I only wish to highlight some areas of thought that might go against what you currently believe. For I have been taught that to believe that one has all of the truth, means that they are unwilling to look at anything else. For why would they, they have all of the truth.

Yet scripture is so loaded with different possible definitions, that one should examine all of the different possibilities to verify that indeed they do possess the truth. All doctrines must be challenged, and if a doctrine is true, it shall be shown as true still. But if a doctrine is false, only by examining it will we ever discover the fallacy of it. I do believe that scripture tells us to listen to what is being said, and then go to scripture to verify if there is truth in it. This is all I will ask at this time. Beside, does not scripture tell us that we are all being deceived? (Rev 12:9)

But I will also ask one to think about the possibility that the spirit of God will talk to individuals about scripture, that God will teach some of his people directly, giving them the true definition of scripture apart from what is being taught within the denominational church system (DCS).

I will do my best to go into detail with what I will explain. For it is not my intent to change your belief system, but to just have you understand my point of view. For when one sees something form another side, then they may place this new understanding before our Father in prayer to see if there is any truth in it. Do not believe what I will teach you, just understand it.

Am I perfect? Heavens no, for I am still carnal, sold into sin. But I do believe that the spirit of God has taught me many things which are the truth. My studies have been going on for about 10 years now. I used to belong to a Evangelical Free Church, but then I was called out of it to learn on my own. Now I have read where your pastor believes that we must all attend a denominational church. I must respectfully disagree with him on this point. Now is not the time for me to get into this subject, but in time I will show you why I believe so. It is scripturally based.

My knowledge and understandings will not just be about scripture, for I will discuss any and all aspects of God’s creation. I have found that even science ties into scripture, for science is not the study of NEW things, it is the discovery of things which God had already created, but that man was blinded to.

What I will share with you is a whole new way of looking at scripture and God’s creation. For as the Passover age brought forth the law with Moses (a new understanding), and as the Pentecost age (church age) brought forth the knowledge of a savior and salvation through faith (a new understanding), so we are now coming into the Tabernacles age. The Tabernacles age (1000 years of Christ rule) brings forth a new understanding of all that we thought we previously knew. For at the close of this age, new revelations are coming forth that the world does not know, because until know, the spirit has kept it hidden.

Blessings

So that was our endgame, getting us to adopt a "whole new way of looking at Scripture" (since, according to you, the old isn't good enough).

As Mary already told you, the Holy Spirit's guidance when we read the Scriptures gives us the True Interpretation™ which is not subject to private interpretation (see 2 Peter 1:19-21). This means all True Christians™ are 100% right all the time and cannot be wrong since they have God backing them no matter what.

Your dispensational newfangled nonsense is therefore unneeded and even heretical.

Regards,

Pastor Ed

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Believeing one has the whole truth, keeps them from gaining the whole truth

For I have been taught that to believe that one has all of the truth, means that they are unwilling to look at anything else. For why would they, they have all of the truth.

Well, Martenas, this is probably the smartest thing you said. We do have the truth, so we don't need to look at anything else.

But I will also ask one to think about the possibility that the spirit of God will talk to individuals about scripture, that God will teach some of his people directly, giving them the true definition of scripture apart from what is being taught within the denominational church system (DCS).

The Holy Spirit speaks to us directly through God's Word, the Bible. How is the Holy Spirit going to communicate new things to these so-called prophets? Through an audible voice which only the prophet can hear? Or through stirrings in their gut? How then could we know we could trust them? And how would that be a better form of communication than what the Holy Spirit has already set forth in black and white on paper?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Believeing one has the whole truth, keeps them from gaining the whole truth

I will start slow here, for it is not my intent to blast anyone. I only wish to highlight some areas of thought that might go against what you currently believe. For I have been taught that to believe that one has all of the truth, means that they are unwilling to look at anything else. For why would they, they have all of the truth.

Yet scripture is so loaded with different possible definitions, that one should examine all of the different possibilities to verify that indeed they do possess the truth. All doctrines must be challenged, and if a doctrine is true, it shall be shown as true still. But if a doctrine is false, only by examining it will we ever discover the fallacy of it. I do believe that scripture tells us to listen to what is being said, and then go to scripture to verify if there is truth in it. This is all I will ask at this time. Beside, does not scripture tell us that we are all being deceived? (Rev 12:9)

But I will also ask one to think about the possibility that the spirit of God will talk to individuals about scripture, that God will teach some of his people directly, giving them the true definition of scripture apart from what is being taught within the denominational church system (DCS).

I will do my best to go into detail with what I will explain. For it is not my intent to change your belief system, but to just have you understand my point of view. For when one sees something form another side, then they may place this new understanding before our Father in prayer to see if there is any truth in it. Do not believe what I will teach you, just understand it.

Am I perfect? Heavens no, for I am still carnal, sold into sin. But I do believe that the spirit of God has taught me many things which are the truth. My studies have been going on for about 10 years now. I used to belong to a Evangelical Free Church, but then I was called out of it to learn on my own. Now I have read where your pastor believes that we must all attend a denominational church. I must respectfully disagree with him on this point. Now is not the time for me to get into this subject, but in time I will show you why I believe so. It is scripturally based.

My knowledge and understandings will not just be about scripture, for I will discuss any and all aspects of God’s creation. I have found that even science ties into scripture, for science is not the study of NEW things, it is the discovery of things which God had already created, but that man was blinded to.

What I will share with you is a whole new way of looking at scripture and God’s creation. For as the Passover age brought forth the law with Moses (a new understanding), and as the Pentecost age (church age) brought forth the knowledge of a savior and salvation through faith (a new understanding), so we are now coming into the Tabernacles age. The Tabernacles age (1000 years of Christ rule) brings forth a new understanding of all that we thought we previously knew. For at the close of this age, new revelations are coming forth that the world does not know, because until know, the spirit has kept it hidden.

Blessings

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[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Believeing one has the whole truth, keeps them from gaining the whole truth

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What I will share with you is a whole new way of looking at scripture and God’s creation. For as the Passover age brought forth the law with Moses (a new understanding), and as the Pentecost age (church age) brought forth the knowledge of a savior and salvation through faith (a new understanding), so we are now coming into the Tabernacles age. The Tabernacles age (1000 years of Christ rule) brings forth a new understanding of all that we thought we previously knew. For at the close of this age, new revelations are coming forth that the world does not know, because until know, the spirit has kept it hidden.

Blessings

Son, this just smells bad. I lived through this crap back in the 1960's - "Age of Aquarius", New Agers, magic crystals, Broadway musicals like "Hair", free love, anal sex, peace, LSD, Timothy Leary, and probably the worst gag inducing rotting foul stench of Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber's cantata "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat", and not to be outdone by "Jesus Christ Superstar".

You better have some serious Biblical (KJV1611) scholarly references to back up your groundless assertions.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Believeing one has the whole truth, keeps them from gaining the whole truth

Hi, Martenas, and welcome.

I have been taught that to believe that one has all of the truth, means that they are unwilling to look at anything else.

Do you believe that that proposition is entirely true?

does not scripture tell us that we are all being deceived? (Rev 12:9)

In your case, it is truly a blessing that you are willing to admit that you could be wrong. Because you are wrong.

I will also ask one to think about the possibility that the spirit of God will talk to individuals about scripture, that God will teach some of his people directly, giving them the true definition of scripture apart from what is being taught within the denominational church system (DCS).

Of course God talks to us directly. That doesn't mean that every kook who comes down the pike claiming to speak for Jesus has a direct line to the Almighty.

For as the Passover age brought forth the law with Moses (a new understanding), and as the Pentecost age (church age) brought forth the knowledge of a savior and salvation through faith (a new understanding), so we are now coming into the Tabernacles age. The Tabernacles age (1000 years of Christ rule) brings forth a new understanding of all that we thought we previously knew.

Hold on a minute. Did you just compare yourself to Moses? Seriously? Moses was so beloved of God that God showed Moses His backside (Exodus 33:18-23). Have you seen God's rear end? I don't think so.

[MarkTh]

Re: Believeing one has the whole truth, keeps them from gaining the whole truth

Oh, I’m very much ready too! The last time I opened this site, I wasn’t too open yet. Thank Heavens for this site that gave me clearer views on learning prophecies