Devout

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

In that I believe in religion as taught by Jesus, i.e., churches are corrupt, and the Bible was written by man and therefore flawed. As such, we should not take it literally, but draw upon it for wisdom and interpret it ourselves. When presented with facts that clash with our beliefs, we should reevaluate our beliefs and change them accordingly. For instance, the Earth is no more the center of the universe than it is the center of our own solar system. Not only is this fact, but nowhere in the Bible does it actually state that the Earth is the center of the universe. To believe otherwise is a level of naivety that is astounding to me.

Oh, and my favorite Bible passage is Matthew 7:1-2.

"Judge not, that ye may not be judged, for in what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and in what measure ye measure, it shall be measured to you."

I honestly only registered for this forum after having been led here by a friend. I must say I am disgusted with the level of bigotry, racism, and hate amongst a Christian group. You are half a chromosome away from being the Westboro Baptist church. Unless of course, you also believe that our soldiers in Afghanistan are dying because God is angry at America for allowing gay marriage, in which case you are right there with them.

And yes, I did read the "BEFORE YOU FLAME US" post. It did not help your case. Inventing statistics and polling small groups of like-minded people does not impress me.

Although the government is lying to us about the events that occurred in Roswell. A military surveillance balloon? Suuuuuuuure.

[Nobar King]

Re: Devout

Do your parents know that you're on the drugs? Do you want to tell them that you're a hypocrite know-it-all who registers on religious web forums to tell the members that they're doing it all wrong, or would you like me to tell them?

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

Re: Devout

Do your parents know that you're on the drugs? Do you want to tell them that you're a hypocrite know-it-all who registers on religious web forums to tell the members that they're doing it all wrong, or would you like me to tell them?

I am not, nor have I ever been "on the drugs," nor do I pretend to know everything. I am also not a hypocrite, and am a little too old to care what my parents would think about my registering on a religious site. I apologize if my posts seem are too intelligent or well-worded for you to follow, at least that's my assumption toward you calling me a know-it-all. In what way is that an insult, if I may ask?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Devout

In that I believe in religion as taught by Jesus, i.e., churches are corrupt, and the Bible was written by man and therefore flawed.

So that's your excuse for not going to church. Jesus taught neither of those things. Of His church He said:

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

And of Scripture He said:

Jn 10:35-36 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

If you're going to make assertions about what Jesus taught, please quote or reference Scripture.

As such, we should not take it literally, but draw upon it for wisdom and interpret it ourselves. When presented with facts that clash with our beliefs, we should reevaluate our beliefs and change them accordingly.

How would you like it if we didn't take your post literally and interpreted it for ourselves? If facts clash with our beliefs, then the facts should be reevaluated and changed accordingly.

Oh, and my favorite Bible passage is Matthew 7:1-2.

You need to read The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Devout

So when scientists with all of their lab coats and set squares tell us that people cannot come back from the dead we must discount the Resurection?

YIC

[Didymus Much]

Re: Devout

In that I believe in religion as taught by Jesus, i.e., churches are corrupt, and the Bible was written by man and therefore flawed...

I.e. you refer to (tiny bits of) the Bible when it suits your purposes, and feel completely justified in ignoring the rest.

And then you call others hypocrites!

Where the h*** are they coming from this week? It's comedy fargin' gold!

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

Re: Devout

Jesus taught neither of those things. Of His church He said:

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

And of Scripture He said:

Jn 10:35-36 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

If you're going to make assertions about what Jesus taught, please quote or reference Scripture.



How would you like it if we didn't take your post literally and interpreted it for ourselves? If facts clash with our beliefs, then the facts should be reevaluated and changed accordingly.



You need to read The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

A fact cannot be changed, it is something that is indisputable, therefore if a fact interferes with one's belief or perception of the way things are, their beliefs and perceptions cannot be truth.

I understand Matthew 7:21 perfectly, otherwise it would be ironic of me to quote the scripture in the same breath that I state that this forum is brimming with racism, bigotry, and hate.

As far as Jesus' stance towards organized religion:

“Many will say to me: ‘Lord, did we not prophesy, expel demons, & perform many powerful works in your name?’ Yet I will confess to them: 'I never knew you! Get away from me', you workers of lawlessness." ~Matthew 7:21-23

"You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you: ‘This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping... because *they teach commands of men* as doctrines.’” ~Matthew 15:7,8

"“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness. In that way you also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." ~Matthew 23:27,28

"...[Jesus] went on to say to them:
“You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above.
You are from this world; I am not from this world." ~John 8:23

It was the Church that acted against Jesus in His day, who looked for reasons to condemn Him, and them that called to Pontius Pilate for the release of a murderer, ensuring the Crucifixion of Jesus. Jesus preached that every person should follow God in their own way, and was very much against organized religion. You must understand that in the original Hebrew, "Church" does not refer to a building, but simply a place of worship.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Devout

...It was the Church that acted against Jesus in His day...

Uh, NO. The Church didn't exist before Jesus founded it:

Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

The Jews had temples and synagogues, not churches.

You really should read the Bible someday. It's a hell of a book.

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

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I.e. you refer to (tiny bits of) the Bible when it suits your purposes, and feel completely justified in ignoring the rest.

And then you call others hypocrites!

Where the h*** are they coming from this week? It's comedy fargin' gold!

I feel there is nothing to be gained from the Book of Judges, wherein Samson removes the foreskins of 1000 Pharisees. I also hate the book of Job. I rather like all the accounts of Jesus' life though.

Yes, I do think you have to pick and choose what is relevant and irrelevant in the Bible. The majority of the Old Testament and Mose's Law is irrelevant, Jesus denied Mose's Law himself in John 8:7.

I find it amusing that you are lecturing me with a picture of Ron Jeremy in your signature, and "Arrogant Atheist Dick" as your title.

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

Re: Devout

So when scientists with all of their lab coats and set squares tell us that people cannot come back from the dead we must discount the Resurection?

YIC

It has not been refuted that people cannot rise from the dead. People are legally dead on a daily basis and are brought back to life, a lot of whom describe a blinding white light and a sense of peace and welcoming.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Devout

In that I believe in religion as taught by Jesus,

And what is the source of Jesus' teachings?

the Bible

Very good.

was written by man and therefore flawed.

So the source of Jesus' teachings is flawed, but you believe in Jesus' teachings.



"Jesus wept."

As such, we should not take it literally, but draw upon it for wisdom and interpret it ourselves.

And what if everyone has a different interpretation? Whose is right? They can't all be correct.

When presented with facts that clash with our beliefs, we should reevaluate our beliefs and change them accordingly.

What if they are Jesus' beliefs about divorce, fornication and adultery or Paul's against homosexuality? What is the point of calling yourself a Christian, if your beliefs are opposed to theirs? Are you going to use the corruption defense for all the parts you don't like?

Oh, and my favorite Bible passage is Matthew 7:1-2.

"Judge not, that ye may not be judged, for in what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and in what measure ye measure, it shall be measured to you."

I prefer the rest of it.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Jesus is saying hypocritical judgment is wrong.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

This is probably my favorite sayings of Jesus.

Although the government is lying to us about the events that occurred in Roswell. A military surveillance balloon? Suuuuuuuure.

Aliens don't exist. We are the apple of God's eye. He wouldn't create a species more advanced than us.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Devout

...I rather like all the accounts of Jesus' life though...

Really? Even Luke 19:27?

...Yes, I do think you have to pick and choose what is relevant and irrelevant in the Bible...

2 Timothy 3:16 (aka the other 3:16) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

See what it says there? ALL SCRIPTURE. Not just the bits and pieces that you can twist to align with your modern, secular (read: NON-Biblical) sentiments.

...The majority of the Old Testament and Mose's Law is irrelevant, Jesus denied Mose's Law himself in John 8:7...

John 8:7 "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

No denying of Moses' law there, liar. He's despairing that there were nothing but sinners around Him (I can almost hear the sigh).

On the complete contrary:

Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Oh, and English grammar note: to indicate the possessive form of a name that ends in "s", place the apostrophe after the "s" like so: Moses'.

...I find it amusing that you are lecturing me with a picture of Ron Jeremy in your signature, and "Arrogant Atheist Dick" as your title.

I find it freaking hilarious that an atheist has to school you in how to be a Christian!

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

Re: Devout

I find it freaking hilarious that an atheist has to school you in how to be a Christian!

You are not schooling me on anything, only showing your ignorance.

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

Re: Devout

You are an egocentric one, aren't you? You honestly believe that there cannot possibly be life on other planets? Have you ever looked up at night? Those are not light bulbs, those are gigantic nuclear explosions trillions of trillions of miles away, and there are trillions of trillions of them. Too many to count. Each with it's own "habitable" zone and satellites, any number of which that have the exact same properties of Earth, yet none of which could possibly support life? Okay.

I bet you think 7 days to God means "7 rotations of the Earth," and that the universe is only 6,000 years old.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Devout

You are not schooling me on anything, only showing your ignorance.

Nope, he's definitely schooling you. Even the Jesus-haters around here know Scripture better than you.

Try reading the Bible cover-to-cover and stop trying to Google your way to salvation.

YiC,

Zech